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Harvesting and drying one or two colas at a time might also cut down on the odor, for stealth. Drying a whole plant at a time can give off a good whiff into the air. That Gorgonzola looks like a nice sativa strain.
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I also used pollen from a male White Widow Xtrm that the donator of my seed grew out of his AMS's feminized seeds, I pollinated 2 colas to have seeds for future grows.
The Gorgonzola is grown from a female seed from AMS. My current WWX was the result from last year's grow of a AMS female WWX that I selectively pollinated a cola with pollen that came from a friend's AMS WWX (bought as a female seed from the same packet that he gave me the seed that I grew) but his one seemed to be a full male AMS WWX plant with zero buds, so given they came from female sold seeds I am unsure whether the plant he grew out that donated the pollen was a hermie or a true male. I feel it was a true male as it had no buds. This year I sprouted 3 WWX seeds (the offspring of last year's pollination), I got 2 females and 1 male. Of the male there was no sign of pistils, only male pollen sacs so again I am assuming that it was a true male and not a hermie, and hence I assume that makes it more likely that the last year's pollen was a true male. My inexperienced assumptions here! This year's remaining female plant I gave to a friend whose own plants had failed on him, when I gave it to him it hadn't yet showed it's gender. But he confirmed the pistils were developing a few days later, so that was great , it was a female. But then it hermied on him which was a damn disappointment, whether due to the shock of transport to his location, different water, him relocating it several times at the new site, it was potted with super soil but he additionally fed it with some nutrients as well. It would be great to understand what caused it to hermie for future knowledge, is it one of the above or something different.Late in flower, your Gorgonzola might just put out a nanner and you could find a S1 seed in one of your dried or drying buds. They are generally about 99% viable (though not the best for long-term breeding because of potential instability).
And then maybe you will like the cross WWX x Gorgonzola, since those seed were from WWX pollen. Were both plants, your WWX and Gorgonzola grow from feminized seed or regular?
The Gorgonzola is grown from a female seed from AMS. My current WWX was the result from last year's grow of a AMS female WWX that I selectively pollinated a cola with pollen that came from a friend's AMS WWX (bought as a female seed from the same packet that he gave me the seed that I grew) but his one seemed to be a full male AMS WWX plant with zero buds, so given they came from female sold seeds I am unsure whether the plant he grew out that donated the pollen was a hermie or a true male. I feel it was a true male as it had no buds. This year I sprouted 3 WWX seeds (the offspring of last year's pollination), I got 2 females and 1 male. Of the male there was no sign of pistils, only male pollen sacs so again I am assuming that it was a true male and not a hermie, and hence I assume that makes it more likely that the last year's pollen was a true male. My inexperienced assumptions here! This year's remaining female plant I gave to a friend whose own plants had failed on him, when I gave it to him it hadn't yet showed it's gender. But he confirmed the pistils were developing a few days later, so that was great , it was a female. But then it hermied on him which was a damn disappointment, whether due to the shock of transport to his location, different water, him relocating it several times at the new site, it was potted with super soil but he additionally fed it with some nutrients as well. It would be great to understand what caused it to hermie for future knowledge, is it one of the above or something different.
Yes, that is exactly right. It is my suspicion too that it was a true male and he was sold regular seeds or the seeds were the product of a faulty feminization process. Yes I am thinking too that the resulting seeds from this year's 2 plants will be good to grow next year and future years.At risk of repeating some of your details, I summarize to make sure I understand the background:
1. The current Gorgonzola grew from a feminized seed created by AMS. In all likelihood, any S1 seeds she produces by way of self-pollination in late flower would also produce female plants if you grow them out. But with S1 seeds, while 99% viable and the harvest is good for smoking, the plants can "herm" more easily than a regular female under stress, so be kind to them! While extremes in heat, watering, nutrients, etc. can trigger more self-pollination (nanners), it isn't the same thing as a full-blown hermie plant. Self-pollination is also a fairly common and natural response for your Gorgonzola in late flower to try and pollinate herself (no body else is gonna do it, it's self-help time for her). The seed progeny (from plants grown from S1 seeds) are said to likely have wider variation, i.e., you might not get the same pheno, and will show diminishing genetic stability the further out you go in generations.
2. Your current WWX grew from a seed produced by last year's WWX female, and it sounds like the WWX seeds from your WWX plant from last year were "regular" seeds (not feminized). I say that because you grew out 3 of her seeds this year and got 2 females and 1 male, and that wouldn't happen with a plant from feminized seed (seeds off a plant grown from a feminized seed will, if grown out, produce a female plant or a possibly a hermie, but not a male). This leads me to think that your friend maybe thought he was buying feminized WWX seeds from AMS, but in fact they sold him regular. That would explain why you got a male and 2 females. If true, that would suggest his male was in fact a true male with male flowers and... hopefully good stable genetics. The fact that your other female WWX this year, which you gave to a friend, hermied on him, could possibly be explained by all the stress he gave it. Your WWX this year has not hermed, I assume, and you pollinated her this year with WWX pollen from your male, right? So the Gorgonzola x WWX seeds you get this year will be good enough to grow out next year, and according to Clark in Marijuana Botany (I looked it up) will be 99% female.
Sorry, just to be clear I was referring to my WWX in the last line. Altho AMS state it is a Indica dominant hybrid I wondered what characteristics does it appear to you.
You mentioned previously that the Gorgonzola appeared to be a nice looking sativa. The AMS notes said it is 60% sativa 40% indica, it did have a slightly darker green leaves than the WWX which AMS states is only 40% sativa. However I wondered whether the taller sparser budding and thin leaves has perhaps more of a sativa appearance?
Yes, that is exactly right. It is my suspicion too that it was a true male and he was sold regular seeds or the seeds were the product of a faulty feminization process. Yes I am thinking too that the resulting seeds from this year's 2 plants will be good to grow next year and future years.
At this point, the Widow seems to have lost a bit of color, I removed leaves that became very light. I am not sure if this appearance is ok for the strain or something missing in the biology/nutrients available to it. As compared to the Gorgonzola it appears weaker in color.
Also too I found one cola branch of the Widow appeared to be dying so I removed it, thankfully it was still far enough developed not to go to waste! You can see the dying cola in the second pic. Any ideas as to what it is? Is it fairly normal for the odd cola branch to die off in late flowering? ... This time overall both plants are doing better than last year's attempt, but still it is a concern whether the dying branch is simply a feature of advanced flowering or something that I can do something about and improve on next time?
I read somewhere recently how many of the THC figures are usually rather inflated or selectively picked. And I read somewhere else of a study done recently of Canadian weed that averaged out to about 14%. I really don't know what true 25% - 30% feels like as I have never had any bud that had an actual THC test result with it to give me that yardstick. I presume I have had bud with THC somewhere in the mid 20's. The most outstanding highs that I have had are what I can only assume was from weed in the 20%+ range. That was some Columbian Gold when in Australia(1980's), some great stuff in Thailand (1980's Koh Samui), some truely fantastic bud found growing while on the Everest Base Camp trek also in the 1980's, as well as some mind blowing bud since then in UK, Amsterdam, and NZ.I see AMS sells the Gorgonzola seeds as feminized only, no regular. But the WWX is available in regular as well as feminized, so it is not far fetched to think your friend actually had WWX regular. Not sure if a faulty breeding process would produce a healthy male.
I'd be interested to know what the effect of Gorgonzola, pretty high THC, they claim 25-30%. Please post a smoke report!
Light Addict is the master when it comes to fluxing, so many amazing grows he's done.I've been thinking of trying my hand at fluxing this year. I've read your grow journal here with interest and have gone through Light Addict's thread on fluxing.
I wonder how much defoliation needs to be done. I get it, you want to clear the way for the light to reach all bud sites. But the large fan leaves on the lower parts of the plant? Aren't those still needed for photosynthesis?
Your question about the lighter color of the WWX leaves makes me want to ask: How did you adjust the nutrients for flowering? Seems yours is an "organic" grow, but not sure how you transitioned the soil into the flowering phase... Maybe the answer to the question of the light leaf color lies in a slight deficiency of some kind. In flowering, cannabis as you probably know generally needs twice as much P as N or K. My own growing method is to mix two kinds of soils: one for vegetative phase and the other for flowering, and the latter can be added to the bottom of a new pot for transplanting into the flowering soil just prior to flowering, or I can also top dress the flowering nutrient mix right onto the top of the original soil where it goes into the soil via watering. I've never had leaves go light.
Light Addict is the master when it comes to fluxing, so many amazing grows he's done.
Re defoliation; I simply applied this more as selective pruning to, as you say, clear the way for the light to reach all the bud sites. I understand some people defoliate more aggressively than merely clearing for light penetration. altho I did some defoliation I am not sure yet how I feel on this, I will review it when this grow is over to try to understand what things I can do to improve on next time.
Yes I am growing my plants as organic grows. In fact, I have tried to follow a 'super soil' approach, a method developed by a number of people but Subcool's approach is probably the most well known. The idea is that you make a soil mix (the recipe I used is listed at the start of this journal), and let it mature/cook for, say, 3 months and use it in the first third to quarter of one's container and normal potting mix the rest. The idea is that all the nutes are in the soil and no feeding is needed. Just watering only. I have twice given a compost/worm tea, and 4 or 5 times mixed a little Molasses in with the watering, and I also applied some supersoil as a topdressing when the plants got into flowering mode. But other than that I have fed the plant any veg or flowering nutes.
You are absolutely right to question if the plant's lighter leaves are related to a nute deficiency, I have wondered that too, and that is something I will have a good think about when it comes to reviewing this grow, to try and establish what I can learn and adjust for next time. One thing is, I wasn't following a proven recipe for the Super Soil, as I found it impossible to get exactly that same ingredients as recipes created in other parts of the world. Instead, I just tried to cover the necessary nutrient bases and if anything that out of fear of over doing any nute for this first mixture I feel I went a fairly conservatively. I definitely intend to review my super soil mixture against the results and consider what could be done for improving the mixture for future grows. I will look at perhaps bumping up some of the Nitrogen, maybe more blood n bone or fish meal next time, perhaps some more of the Phosphorus rock dust and guano. Plus I looking at getting a worm farm to supply further castings and worm tea.
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I feel that my WWX has a nute deficiency, and will review and try and work out what I could do better next time. This grow of the WWX and Gorgonzola is just my first attempt at using a super soil type approach. I was reluctant to risk overdoing it with anything and risk the plant never even getting to this stage, where at least I have got some very usable bud almost ready for harvest.LA's plants in flowering have big fan leaves on the lowest level, at least in flowering. He defoliated during early veg but lets the fan leaves grow into flowering, at least that's what his photos show. He didn't mention this aspect.
I don't follow a specific supersoil recipe either, if you cover the basics that ought to suffice.
I've got two organic grows going each year, one in Europe and one in California (where it's legal now). The California grow is mostly a guerilla (or "semi-guerilla") grow on a balcony like yours. Water is on a timer. The plants get hardly any attention during the grow, so I have to create a growing environment that will work for veg and flower. I just show up for harvest and the untrained plants are around 6 or 7 feet tall in their 15 gal fabric pots. I adapted Subcool's supersoil idea for this grow. The one thing I do worry about is having the enough flowering nutrients in the soil, because I cannot give it to them when they switch and need it. So I supplement the soil (Foxfarm Ocean Forest) in each pot with at least a full cup of fish bone meal, also of bone meal, but even flowering needs some slow release nitrogen, like cottonseed meal, along with the quick release (bat guano, blood meal) nitrogen for vegetative. Worm castings are a good soil builder but doesn't offer much NPK. Maybe I even add more nutrients than the plants need, but in an organic grow the plants just take what they need; all I do is add water.
I don't really know if your WWX has a nute deficiency. She's made it this far, will probably be just fine. I've just not seen that light color of leaf before.
Well yes it is a possibility, I don't have a pH meter, after reading up on them it appeared only quality meters like Bluelab gave dependable accurate results. The $10 meter's were said to give unreliable measurements. Besides, the super soil approach was said to not need concern over the pH, and as mine still has worms living in it, not many as I don't feed it, it has simply been mixed in my compost tumbler about 10 months ago and remains in it for when I next need some, I thought if the worms are happy then probably that is a good sign for the pH. So I decide not to shell out for an expensive pH meter. My feeling is that it is nute related, with the light yellowing leaves a possible sign of Nitrogen deficiency, I can imagine so, as the plants were transplanted up to their final pot on December 9th, then for 3 months of the plant appeared very healthy and only after that did the yellowing occur, so I think they ran out of something, I guess Nitrogen.Stunger it occurred to me that your WWX's "nute deficiency" might also be the result of an incorrect pH. Do you pH the water?
Another question for you: is landscaping fabric porous enough? I have some in my garden and it great for keeping the weeds down because no light gets through, and it lets water through. But air? I don't know the answer. I guess air would get in with water.