Opioid Tapering With Cannabis: A Regimen

Have you grown indoors before John? It's a shame about the restriction to growing. Indoors is all about either getting them huge or keeping a perpetual clicking along.

My goodness, where are my manners? :welcome: to the thread. :hugs::hugs::hugs: The government did you a favor by cutting the supply of Oxys. Trust me on that.

We've learned the interesting fact that CBD has much more to do with pain management than we originally believed, so right off the bat I'd suggest you acquire some CBD crystalline product and put it to good use. There are any number of sources online selling. Look for something made with hemp grown in the US, Kentucky or Colorado, if you're lucky enough to find it.

How do you currently administer the cannabis you're using for pain management? Clinical data suggests a 1:1 ratio would be most effective, with the possibility of a higher ratio of CBD. What doesn't seem to be as effective is a higher ratio of THC.

My suggestion would be to grow something high in THC and beta-caryophyllene, something like GrandDaddy Purple, and balance it with a CBD isolate. Then I'd begin ramping up the CBD until it worked.

It's a little more complex than that, but not much more. A good approach for someone new to cannabis is to begin with high CBD doses - 25-50 mg a dose seems appropriate - and micro dose in THC in 1-5 mg steps.

For severe back pain you may want to look into the possibility of biobombs used as suppositories. It's been quite effective when used, but it's not a commonly chosen pathway.

Do you have a strong topical on hand, or the means to make one?
Hello,
Thank you for your response. This is my first indoor grow to answer your question and I chose WWA. As far as the government doing me a favor by cutting my OXY, I have to politely disagree with you. I have been taken the same kind and exactly the same amount for 20 years with zero did effects.
With the exception of my doctor and pharmacist, nobody knew that I was even taking them. My blood gets done every 3 months to make sure everything is spot on. Because of the reduction over the last year, it hurts so bad that instead of some kind of quality of life and doing things I like to do like being outside working on something. I mostly have to lay back in the big chair to decompress the very few dics that take on the whole load. The way I look at it is I have been lumped into a group of people that has had trouble with oxy and it's unfair. That's the only reason I'm going back to my 20's and growing pot in hopes of maybe having some kind of quality of life.
CBS oil, yesterday I was taking to a woman that said I could get it a a natural foods store about 80 miles away. Next time I'm in that direction I will stop in and look.
Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate everyone's opinions and ideas here on 420, but I am still angry that my right to have a quality of life has been taken away from me because the abuse of others. Some things just aren't right.
 
First off wanted to say great name man lol i love the john wick movies. Now on to serious matters lol i feel u man im currently doing the same exact thing with my doctors n them cutting my meds dwn i originally had a doc tht was cool with me smoking an even said she wud rather have me smoking herb then doing other drugs so tht was cool but then she changed jobs or sumthn so i had 2 find a new doc n cause i had marijuana in my system no1 wud take me as a patient but i finally managed to find1 but he wud only prescribe me stuff if i agreed to working to get off which i wanted to do anyway i jus wanted to do it slowly due to other health issues i have i didnt want the withdrawal to send me back to ICU last time that happened i almost died an lost around 300 pounds in 2 months an well short story version is if it happens again i dnt have another 300 pounds to shed while the hospital hooks me up 2 cords n all that other fun electronic crap lol to make another run in the hospital if things go bad again so anotherwards i have to take it super slow n wen i get nauseous have to combat it right away so ive been using bio bombs i make from a recipe i got from sweetsue on here n i use the strains black domina alot since its the one im using in making my own cross an it helps with my pain n depression alot an even with my nausea a tad and then strawberry cake both of which help with the depression but this one helps with my nausea aspect of getting off opoids better then my cross and now ive started to grow master kush and blue cheese which r supposed to help alot with pain also. So those r a few of the main photo strains im using. Now as for autos im using red poison from sweet seeds man that makes great concentrate and is jus a plain good tasting smoke lol an really helps give me an appetite and helps alot to lift the spirits up if ur feeling down and depressed. An tangie'matic which the tangie makes great concentrates or oil u get alot from this strain. An bluedream also alot of triches with this strain and gorilla glue which is an insane yielder and frosty as hell lol this one really helps with the pain. Im noticing that the concentrates r what helps with my pain the most if i take a nice fat dab my pain goes dwn quite abit but it dnt last long so im in hopes of fine tunning the list a tad and finding one that works great when i make some biobomb capsules and maybe that will make the pain coverage last longer. Anyway hope that list helps u out alil in choosing something that helps u to successfully get off opiates. Good luck bro and congrats for making a great life decision we will be rooting for u.

The dabs work so fast because they’re just pure essential cannabis oil, in heavy concentration. Although they tamp down the pain it won’t last because inhaled has a faster degrading time.

When you inhale it goes straight from the lungs to the brain, where most of your CB1 receptors are. They snap up the THC and before you know it they’ve chewed right through the available resources.

Take those cannabinoids as a biobomb and you get longer action.

I’d suggest smaller dabs to get you through the lag time for edibles to get going, and to make the bulk of your pain management edibles, properly spaced through your day to keep a more level endocannabinoid tone.

Dabs are a severe spike in ECS activity when you’re looking for a level tone. The system wasn’t designed to take that hit constantly. It appreciates a lighter touch and some recovery time between dabs.
 
Update I forgot to update y’all. Second day at the gym today, I finished the hole 30 minutes!:high-five: Feeling g pretty proud of myself right now that and completely exhausted, Feels Great!!
Prayers and great vibes going your way. Hand in there, Mr DirtDemon you can do it! :goodjob:
 
Hello,
Thank you for your response. This is my first indoor grow to answer your question and I chose WWA. As far as the government doing me a favor by cutting my OXY, I have to politely disagree with you. I have been taken the same kind and exactly the same amount for 20 years with zero did effects.
With the exception of my doctor and pharmacist, nobody knew that I was even taking them. My blood gets done every 3 months to make sure everything is spot on. Because of the reduction over the last year, it hurts so bad that instead of some kind of quality of life and doing things I like to do like being outside working on something. I mostly have to lay back in the big chair to decompress the very few dics that take on the whole load. The way I look at it is I have been lumped into a group of people that has had trouble with oxy and it's unfair. That's the only reason I'm going back to my 20's and growing pot in hopes of maybe having some kind of quality of life.
CBS oil, yesterday I was taking to a woman that said I could get it a a natural foods store about 80 miles away. Next time I'm in that direction I will stop in and look.
Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate everyone's opinions and ideas here on 420, but I am still angry that my right to have a quality of life has been taken away from me because the abuse of others. Some things just aren't right.

Agreed. There’s very little right about what happened with pain management in our country. :hugs::hugs:

Be cautious about the CBD oils being sold everywhere. The doses aren’t high enough to do what you need them to do. If you check they’re talking about doses in the 5-25mg range, and chronic pain often pushes this numbers higher.

The isolate powders are a better use of your funds, IMHO. You’ll get enough to make it serious medicine and not just enrich the vendor.

I’m sorry you were abused by the system John. I’ll still maintain that it’s a good thing. Opiates are intended for short-term use, and longer use perverts the body’s natural opiate system. In my head that translates into “find a better way to manage the pain.”

The nature of phytocannabinoids makes them an excellent modality for our goals of pain management. I applaud your returning to your youthful cultivation roots.

Back then you were growing to get high. This is a whole new ballgame.

No offense taken John. We don’t bring our egos with us for this work. :battingeyelashes:
 
No sad faces, you're simply being human. :battingeyelashes: All is well. You've proven to yourself that you could do it. Every day it gets easier to ignore. One day you'll wake up and realize you can't remember the last time you craved them.

No one gets there overnight. This is incremental work, and you've survived the worst of it.

Time to get to the business of pain management. Fiddle with your ratios. I'm beginning to suspect that for chronic pain the ratios are best tipped heavily to CBD, probably between a 1:3 or 1:5 THC:CBD. I find it interesting that the clinicians are saying 1:1, but then they almost immediately go to higher CBD.

This regimen is also structured like that - start in balance, when you get to 10 mg of each begin to ramp up CBD until you get to 1:5, and then start increasing both cannabinoids in balance. So you end up with a high CBD ratio.

The reasoning behind the incremental increases is that you'll never know how little cannabis it takes to offer you the relief you need if you shoot right past it in the beginning. Dr. Smith himself claims that most of his chronic pain patients are taking doses less than 10 mg of each cannabinoid. I think it's worth it to come at THC levels as slowly and gently as you can.

I'd shoot for 3-4 doses a day, and with your pain levels @Dirtdemon I'd consider a BioBomb suppository at bedtime.
I agree the last cbd capsules we made Mandi figure it was about 1:5, the next batch will be 1:6. The cbd is the ticket no doubt in my mind.
Biobomb how do I make such a thing. I am willing to try anything that is opiate free.
Thanks everyone for the support, it means a lot to me having y’all backing me up!
 
Agreed. There’s very little right about what happened with pain management in our country. :hugs::hugs:

Be cautious about the CBD oils being sold everywhere. The doses aren’t high enough to do what you need them to do. If you check they’re talking about doses in the 5-25mg range, and chronic pain often pushes this numbers higher.

The isolate powders are a better use of your funds, IMHO. You’ll get enough to make it serious medicine and not just enrich the vendor.

I’m sorry you were abused by the system John. I’ll still maintain that it’s a good thing. Opiates are intended for short-term use, and longer use perverts the body’s natural opiate system. In my head that translates into “find a better way to manage the pain.”

The nature of phytocannabinoids makes them an excellent modality for our goals of pain management. I applaud your returning to your youthful cultivation roots.

Back then you were growing to get high. This is a whole new ballgame.

No offense taken John. We don’t bring our egos with us for this work. :battingeyelashes:

Thank you, miss SweetSue. Well said and in a very caring way. I kinda fell like I just got a hug.
Yes your right, instead of doing it for the buzz I'm doing it for quality of life. I just wish it was legal here.
Agreed of the CBS oil. I was thinking of calling first and asking them 'what does it say on the label, price and amount. That way maybe I can relay the information here and gets an opinion. Would that be cool everyone?
 
Just to be very clear. I apologise if I accidentally hurt anyone's feelings that have or having trouble with opioids. God Bless you all and good vibes to your recovery. I'll be there to pray and cheer you on.
My problem is with the government. They didn't look at me as a individual, just a number. I wasn't even given the opportunity to present my case or history.
Guilty, that was it. Land of the Free?
 
Thank you, miss SweetSue. Well said and in a very caring way. I kinda fell like I just got a hug.
Yes your right, instead of doing it for the buzz I'm doing it for quality of life. I just wish it was legal here.
Agreed of the CBS oil. I was thinking of calling first and asking them 'what does it say on the label, price and amount. That way maybe I can relay the information here and gets an opinion. Would that be cool everyone?

Absolutely John. :battingeyelashes:
 
Just to be very clear. I apologise if I accidentally hurt anyone's feelings that have or having trouble with opioids. God Bless you all and good vibes to your recovery. I'll be there to pray and cheer you on.
My problem is with the government. They didn't look at me as a individual, just a number. I wasn't even given the opportunity to present my case or history.
Guilty, that was it. Land of the Free?

I hear you John, and I doubt anyone had their feelings hurt. :hugs: We work here without judgement, our only intent to help others find their way out of the madness and back into living lightly.

You should always feel free to express yourself without fear of recrimination in any of my threads.
 
I hear you John, and I doubt anyone had their feelings hurt. :hugs: We work here without judgement, our only intent to help others find their way out of the madness and back into living lightly.

You should always feel free to express yourself without fear of recrimination in any of my threads.
I agree with You SS, the only way we can all work together is if we express our true thoughts and feelings without fear. That’s why you made the thread to help people. Because your a angel sent down from Jesus God. :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
I agree with You SS, the only way we can all work together is if we express our true thoughts and feelings without fear. That’s why you made the thread to help people. Because your a angel sent down from Jesus God. :hugs::hugs::hugs:

Amen, DirtDemon. She is an Angle isn't she. Thanks Sue.
 
Awww....guys......... I'm but a reflection of this incredibly loving community. :circle-of-love:
 
First off wanted to say great name man lol i love the john wick movies. Now on to serious matters lol i feel u man im currently doing the same exact thing with my doctors n them cutting my meds dwn i originally had a doc tht was cool with me smoking an even said she wud rather have me smoking herb then doing other drugs so tht was cool but then she changed jobs or sumthn so i had 2 find a new doc n cause i had marijuana in my system no1 wud take me as a patient but i finally managed to find1 but he wud only prescribe me stuff if i agreed to working to get off which i wanted to do anyway i jus wanted to do it slowly due to other health issues i have i didnt want the withdrawal to send me back to ICU last time that happened i almost died an lost around 300 pounds in 2 months an well short story version is if it happens again i dnt have another 300 pounds to shed while the hospital hooks me up 2 cords n all that other fun electronic crap lol to make another run in the hospital if things go bad again so anotherwards i have to take it super slow n wen i get nauseous have to combat it right away so ive been using bio bombs i make from a recipe i got from sweetsue on here n i use the strains black domina alot since its the one im using in making my own cross an it helps with my pain n depression alot an even with my nausea a tad and then strawberry cake both of which help with the depression but this one helps with my nausea aspect of getting off opoids better then my cross and now ive started to grow master kush and blue cheese which r supposed to help alot with pain also. So those r a few of the main photo strains im using. Now as for autos im using red poison from sweet seeds man that makes great concentrate and is jus a plain good tasting smoke lol an really helps give me an appetite and helps alot to lift the spirits up if ur feeling down and depressed. An tangie'matic which the tangie makes great concentrates or oil u get alot from this strain. An bluedream also alot of triches with this strain and gorilla glue which is an insane yielder and frosty as hell lol this one really helps with the pain. Im noticing that the concentrates r what helps with my pain the most if i take a nice fat dab my pain goes dwn quite abit but it dnt last long so im in hopes of fine tunning the list a tad and finding one that works great when i make some biobomb capsules and maybe that will make the pain coverage last longer. Anyway hope that list helps u out alil in choosing something that helps u to successfully get off opiates. Good luck bro and congrats for making a great life decision we will be rooting for u.

I apologise for not thanking you and responding sooner, but I just noticed this.
Wow, I'm going to save this for reference, thanks Brother from the information and incentives. Hopefully my WWA, will turn out good enough to take some of the edge away. Thank you again, Blazinjones. :hugs:
 
I agree the last cbd capsules we made Mandi figure it was about 1:5, the next batch will be 1:6. The cbd is the ticket no doubt in my mind.
Biobomb how do I make such a thing. I am willing to try anything that is opiate free.
Thanks everyone for the support, it means a lot to me having y’all backing me up!

Here's a link to the BioBomb thread DD. BioBombs: Cannabis Oil With A Kick
 
I apologise for not thanking you and responding sooner, but I just noticed this.
Wow, I'm going to save this for reference, thanks Brother from the information and incentives. Hopefully my WWA, will turn out good enough to take some of the edge away. Thank you again, Blazinjones. :hugs:

No problem man good luck with ur surcess at getting off and yea by wwa do u mean white widow auto? I did a white widow wen i first started out n it's a great 1 thts 4 sure gud luck bro
 
Jones, you know I love you. Your posting style - everything in a continuious stream of consciousness Lol! - can be taxing to wade through.

What you shared in this post was pretty invaluable, so I took the time to break it up, without changing any of your words. I'm not interested in changing your voice, but from time to time it's helpful to allow me to translate or reformat. :hugs::hugs::hugs:

First off wanted to say great name man lol i love the john wick movies. Now on to serious matters lol i feel u man im currently doing the same exact thing with my doctors n them cutting my meds dwn i originally had a doc tht was cool with me smoking an even said she wud rather have me smoking herb then doing other drugs so tht was cool but then she changed jobs or sumthn so i had 2 find a new doc n cause i had marijuana in my system no1 wud take me as a patient but i finally managed to find1 but he wud only prescribe me stuff if i agreed to working to get off which i wanted to do anyway i jus wanted to do it slowly due to other health issues i have i didnt want the withdrawal to send me back to ICU last time that happened i almost died an lost around 300 pounds in 2 months an well short story version is if it happens again i dnt have another 300 pounds to shed while the hospital hooks me up 2 cords n all that other fun electronic crap lol to make another run in the hospital if things go bad again so anotherwards i have to take it super slow n wen i get nauseous have to combat it right away so ive been using bio bombs i make from a recipe i got from sweetsue on here n i use the strains black domina alot since its the one im using in making my own cross an it helps with my pain n depression alot an even with my nausea a tad and then strawberry cake both of which help with the depression but this one helps with my nausea aspect of getting off opoids better then my cross and now ive started to grow master kush and blue cheese which r supposed to help alot with pain also. So those r a few of the main photo strains im using. Now as for autos im using red poison from sweet seeds man that makes great concentrate and is jus a plain good tasting smoke lol an really helps give me an appetite and helps alot to lift the spirits up if ur feeling down and depressed. An tangie'matic which the tangie makes great concentrates or oil u get alot from this strain. An bluedream also alot of triches with this strain and gorilla glue which is an insane yielder and frosty as hell lol this one really helps with the pain. Im noticing that the concentrates r what helps with my pain the most if i take a nice fat dab my pain goes dwn quite abit but it dnt last long so im in hopes of fine tunning the list a tad and finding one that works great when i make some biobomb capsules and maybe that will make the pain coverage last longer. Anyway hope that list helps u out alil in choosing something that helps u to successfully get off opiates. Good luck bro and congrats for making a great life decision we will be rooting for u.

What Jones shared:
*so anotherwards (being hospitalized)
- i have to take it super slow
- n wen i get nauseous have to combat it right away
- so ive been using bio bombs i make from a recipe i got from sweetsue on here

* n i use the strains black domina alot since its the one im using in making my own cross an it
- helps with my pain
-n depression alot
-an even with my nausea a tad

* and then strawberry cake
-both of which (both mentioned chemovars) help with the depression
- but this one helps with my nausea aspect of getting off opoids better then my cross

* and now ive started to grow master kush and blue cheese
- which r supposed to help alot with pain also.

So those r a few of the main photo strains im using.

Now as for autos im using red poison from sweet seeds
- man that makes great concentrate
- and is jus a plain good tasting smoke lol
- an really helps give me an appetite
- and helps alot to lift the spirits up if ur feeling down and depressed.

An tangie'matic which the tangie
- makes great concentrates or oil
- u get alot from this strain.

An bluedream also alot of triches with this strain

and gorilla glue
which is an insane yielder and frosty as hell lol this one really helps with the pain.

Im noticing that the concentrates r what helps with my pain the most
- if i take a nice fat dab my pain goes dwn quite abit
-but it dnt last long

so im in hopes of fine tunning the list a tad and finding one that works great when i make some biobomb capsules and maybe that will make the pain coverage last longer..
 
@Dirtdemon, the biobombs are made with concentrated cannabis oil. With infused oils you simply make them the potency you want and add 1 Tablespoon of liquid sunflower lecithin for every cup of infused oil.

It cuts back some on the cannabinoid load per capsule, but it increases the cannabinoid bioavailability from less than 20% upwards to 80-90%. You can use less infused oil with lecithin and get better results.
 
@Dirtdemon, the biobombs are made with concentrated cannabis oil. With infused oils you simply make them the potency you want and add 1 Tablespoon of liquid sunflower lecithin for every cup of infused oil.

It cuts back some on the cannabinoid load per capsule, but it increases the cannabinoid bioavailability from less than 20% upwards to 80-90%. You can use less infused oil with lecithin and get better results.
Hi SS, for the oil now we use coconut oil, and the sun flower lecithin ( you are not kidding about the bioavailability, since we started using it with the oil one cookie takes affect faster and works better for pain).you are a endless wealth of knowledge that is priceless :hugs::hugs::hugs:
 
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