Opioid Tapering With Cannabis: A Regimen

Smeegol said:
Thank you kindly mr.Pheno, take the ups with the downs and roll with it..... And thank you to everyone cause its support from everyone that helps us heal just that bit faster....:green_heart:
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Then I really like your chances Smeegol. :hugs:
 
Smeegol said:
morning ms.Sue, you spend so much giving, I can't wait for the day that all this hard work you do that benefits others pays you back ten-fold......honestly

and you are not the only one.......:circle-of-love:
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I get paid back ten-fold plus in love every day Smeegol. I'm a very happy woman. :battingeyelashes: :green_heart:
 
Goold evening everyone, and how are all of you doing on this lovely day.... Just though I'd let you know how I'm doing... So surgery was fine, no 24hr pain anymore really, fell out bed 2 weeks ago and jarred my back again so got oxy as I didn't have anything else.. Took 2 days on and days off, i only took for a week or so but I noticed on my 2 days off oxy that I actually felt more in pain than I actually should of been in.....?????

So I haven't had oxy in 5 days now and that back pain isn't half as sore as I can manage it without the oxy so glad I realised that as it would of been a slippery slope again getting hooked again and missing important signs from my body........no thanks

Anyway hope you all have a great day......:thanks:
 
Smeegol said:
Goold evening everyone, and how are all of you doing on this lovely day.... Just though I'd let you know how I'm doing... So surgery was fine, no 24hr pain anymore really, fell out bed 2 weeks ago and jarred my back again so got oxy as I didn't have anything else.. Took 2 days on and days off, i only took for a week or so but I noticed on my 2 days off oxy that I actually felt more in pain than I actually should of been in.....?????

So I haven't had oxy in 5 days now and that back pain isn't half as sore as I can manage it without the oxy so glad I realised that as it would of been a slippery slope again getting hooked again and missing important signs from my body........no thanks

Anyway hope you all have a great day......:thanks:
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Therein lies the biggest concern with opioids, IMO. They magnify pain after you've taken them a while

I'm glad you're through the worst of it Smeegol. :hugs: Have a wonderful day yourself. :ciao:
 
Hi y’all, thank you all for sharing. Especially to you SweetSue. I am battling opiate addiction, I have been trying to use edibles to get off and am failing, tried being stubborn turns out not that stubborn utter failure. I have ordered pure cbd and am hoping for better results following a regiment. All advice appreciated.
 
Dirtdemon said:
Hi y’all, thank you all for sharing. Especially to you SweetSue. I am battling opiate addiction, I have been trying to use edibles to get off and am failing, tried being stubborn turns out not that stubborn utter failure. I have ordered pure cbd and am hoping for better results following a regiment. All advice appreciated.
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Never quit trying to quit... I battled that shit for many years and was only able to detox completely after getting locked up for a month... Opiate induced DWI. I'm thankful that I stayed clean after it all. The transition is tough but 100% worth it in the end.

-P
 
Dirtdemon said:
Hi y’all, thank you all for sharing. Especially to you SweetSue. I am battling opiate addiction, I have been trying to use edibles to get off and am failing, tried being stubborn turns out not that stubborn utter failure. I have ordered pure cbd and am hoping for better results following a regiment. All advice appreciated.
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Good to see you here DirtDemon. :hugs:

@Bluenoser, you’ve used the CBD crystals to successfully get past the withdrawal symptoms. We could use your insight here.

DirtDemon, edibles are difficult to dose with consistency. An oil, taken by capsule or simply swished around the mouth and swallowed will be more effective than baked goods. For one thing, the distribution of cannabinoids in oil is more even than that in a cookie, so it’s easier to calculate a dose.

The instructions for this regimen are simple, but the basic problem I’m seeing with your approach is that you’re getting too high, trying to beat the pain back with THC.

Are you able to make an infused oil? There are many simple ways to do this, if you’re inexperienced. It’ll make things go smoother if you can dose consistently every time you take an opioid dose.

When you get the CBD isolate you can bring balance to the oil. Get as close to an even ratio of CBD to THC as you can. The ratios can be tweaked as you progress.

So....would you please explain to the team just exactly what you’ve been doing with the cannabis edibles up to now? Once we have a handle on where you’re standing we can begin to help you get your feet on firmer ground.

The intent of this protocol is to get you off the opioids or at least get the dose down so low that you aren’t dealing with any adverse side effects. In clinical work they’re saying 40% haven’t been able to get completely off. No beating yourself up should you fall into that statistic.

Also, order some liquid sunflower lecithin to mix with your oil. It’ll greatly improve the bioavailability of your cannabinoids. The body has a harder time than you realize absorbing cannabinoids through the gut. Liquid sunflower lecithin takes a 20-35% absorption rate and raises the possibility of absorption to 80-90%.

When you improve bioavailability you can use less cannabis medicine for more effect.

Cannabis potentiates opioids. Always take them together. Both the opioid and the cannabis will offer more pain relief when you take them together.

When you’re in pain or withdrawal that can sometimes be easy to forget, so I’ll repeat it. Always take your opioid dose with cannabis.

And DirtDemon, its not a sign of weakness to be physically addicted to opioids. It’s biology, pure and simple. The members who watch this thread have been where you are, and we’ll do our best to light the path for you. You do your best to keep from beating up on yourself. No one here is going to give up. :hugs:
 
SweetSue said:
Good to see you here DirtDemon. :hugs:

@Bluenoser, you’ve used the CBD crystals to successfully get past the withdrawal symptoms. We could use your insight here.

DirtDemon, edibles are difficult to dose with consistency. An oil, taken by capsule or simply swished around the mouth and swallowed will be more effective than baked goods. For one thing, the distribution of cannabinoids in oil is more even than that in a cookie, so it’s easier to calculate a dose.

The instructions for this regimen are simple, but the basic problem I’m seeing with your approach is that you’re getting too high, trying to beat the pain back with THC.

Are you able to make an infused oil? There are many simple ways to do this, if you’re inexperienced. It’ll make things go smoother if you can dose consistently every time you take an opioid dose.

When you get the CBD isolate you can bring balance to the oil. Get as close to an even ratio of CBD to THC as you can. The ratios can be tweaked as you progress.

So....would you please explain to the team just exactly what you’ve been doing with the cannabis edibles up to now? Once we have a handle on where you’re standing we can begin to help you get your feet on firmer ground.

The intent of this protocol is to get you off the opioids or at least get the dose down so low that you aren’t dealing with any adverse side effects. In clinical work they’re saying 40% haven’t been able to get completely off. No beating yourself up should you fall into that statistic.

Also, order some liquid sunflower lecithin to mix with your oil. It’ll greatly improve the bioavailability of your cannabinoids. The body has a harder time than you realize absorbing cannabinoids through the gut. Liquid sunflower lecithin takes a 20-35% absorption rate and raises the possibility of absorption to 80-90%.

When you improve bioavailability you can use less cannabis medicine for more effect.

Cannabis potentiates opioids. Always take them together. Both the opioid and the cannabis will offer more pain relief when you take them together.

When you’re in pain or withdrawal that can sometimes be easy to forget, so I’ll repeat it. Always take your opioid dose with cannabis.

And DirtDemon, its not a sign of weakness to be physically addicted to opioids. It’s biology, pure and simple. The members who watch this thread have been where you are, and we’ll do our best to light the path for you. You do your best to keep from beating up on yourself. No one here is going to give up. :hugs:
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Good day SweetSue and all. My regiment has been simple in my mind. I start feeling like crap. I smoke and eat cookies.
I do know that if I don’t kick this I am going to ruin my life. My doc took my perks away because I tested positive for weed, yes that really happened. Now I am buying opiates off the street from people that I would cross the street if I saw them before I was a junkie.
It’s easy for me to say it’s the docs fault but it’s not, I’m in control of my body and I keep making the wrong choices.
I will try anything SweetSue, I have lots of sugar leaves for making tincture or a oil.
I will see if I can get lecithin in town today. If I can’t find it I will order tonight and expedite it. Thanks all
DirtDemon
 
Preston9mm said:
Never quit trying to quit... I battled that shit for many years and was only able to detox completely after getting locked up for a month... Opiate induced DWI. I'm thankful that I stayed clean after it all. The transition is tough but 100% worth it in the end.

-P
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I am glad you did too!
In the 80's we lost a few people to cocaine, & alcohol. But I have lost more friends to opioids in the last 5 years, than I have all other drugs combined over the last 30 years.

I have seen a couple decide to quit and do just that, but it is rare. Most that have succeeded had some set backs and relapses first.
I hope all of you battling opioids (or anything else) win your war. :Namaste:
 
overlord said:
I am glad you did too!
In the 80's we lost a few people to cocaine, & alcohol. But I have lost more friends to opioids in the last 5 years, than I have all other drugs combined over the last 30 years.

I have seen a couple decide to quit and do just that, but it is rare. Most that have succeeded had some set backs and relapses first.
I hope all of you battling opioids (or anything else) win your war. :Namaste:
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I fought with it for 8 years. Prescriptions got stronger after every surgery.
 
Hello SweetSue, fantastic post. My wife has been suffering with chronic pain for well over ten years and is currently on an opiod tapering regimen from her pain management specialist. Too many misconceptions revolve around the patient when we talk opiod addiction. It seems the medical hierarchy (the bureaucrats) discovered the Opiod-Frankenstein had gotten loose but assured Joe public they could kill it. In Canada we also shame the opiod "addicts" (makes your Dr "the pusher"?) having them fill out and discuss a risk assessment questionnaire before filling an opiod Rx that includes whether you have family or personal history of alcohol or drug abuse, PTSD or childhood sexual abuse and scores it all. If you can imagine discussing all that with a 20 something pharmacist with a room full of strangers listening in you know what I mean about shaming the patient and dumping your responsibility on a pharmacist, just our government hypocrisy. My wife has made every effort to try everything available to her. Her tool box of pain strategies include physio therapy, mindful meditation, stretching, breathing techniques, massage, heat/cold and for the past 12 months CBD oil. Reading your post I see her Dr's game plan is exactly the same down to him restricting her THC content to no more than 10% initially but he has now relented to 15%. I try to remind him that his own print material refers to distraction as a pain therapy i.e. don't think about the pain and I say the THC is the distraction ingredient here. I don't believe there is enough study yet to discount THC completely as a pain reliever either. Thanks, I share my rant every chance I get because those responsible for the problem should be held responsible (read pharma giants pay) to find a workable and safer alternative to Opiods.
 
Headsortails said:
Hello SweetSue, fantastic post. My wife has been suffering with chronic pain for well over ten years and is currently on an opiod tapering regimen from her pain management specialist. Too many misconceptions revolve around the patient when we talk opiod addiction. It seems the medical hierarchy (the bureaucrats) discovered the Opiod-Frankenstein had gotten loose but assured Joe public they could kill it. In Canada we also shame the opiod "addicts" (makes your Dr "the pusher"?) having them fill out and discuss a risk assessment questionnaire before filling an opiod Rx that includes whether you have family or personal history of alcohol or drug abuse, PTSD or childhood sexual abuse and scores it all. If you can imagine discussing all that with a 20 something pharmacist with a room full of strangers listening in you know what I mean about shaming the patient and dumping your responsibility on a pharmacist, just our government hypocrisy. My wife has made every effort to try everything available to her. Her tool box of pain strategies include physio therapy, mindful meditation, stretching, breathing techniques, massage, heat/cold and for the past 12 months CBD oil. Reading your post I see her Dr's game plan is exactly the same down to him restricting her THC content to no more than 10% initially but he has now relented to 15%. I try to remind him that his own print material refers to distraction as a pain therapy i.e. don't think about the pain and I say the THC is the distraction ingredient here. I don't believe there is enough study yet to discount THC completely as a pain reliever either. Thanks, I share my rant every chance I get because those responsible for the problem should be held responsible (read pharma giants pay) to find a workable and safer alternative to Opiods.
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Well hello there Headsortails. :hugs: And one for the wife. :hugs:

The euphoric effect of THC is a primary part of a cannabinoid therapy, IMO. It releases the systemic tension mucking up the signaling for healing. Drop the tension levels and the ECS works more efficiently. Nothing works as quickly or as safely as THC.

This protocol leaves room for additional THC once you hit the 5:1 CBD:THC threshold, and then increases THC to the level of relief, keeping the ratio at that 5:1.

This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of the pain is caused by inflammation, so a 5:1 ratio sounds reasonable, but I have no personal experience with chronic pain treated with cannabis. All I can share is what the doctors in the field are finding success at.

I take it as a given that a certain number of patients aren’t going to be so intimidated with feeling good and we’ll be seeing different ratios with them.

Have you noticed the fear doctors have with allowing you to feel really good while you heal a broken body? This epidemic was caused by them. I’m a little miffed that we have to let them control the clean-up as well. They aren’t doing such a good job, from my perspective.
 
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