OldMedMan's Super Lemon Haze Collective Grow

Raisin J said:
warning a bit of a struggle with my thinking this morning, a bit of the wake and bakes got me a bit fuzzy, but I'm really excited bout this here topic of trichomes:
75-80 sure sounds about right, but with mine I don't think there'd be alot of amber at 75-80, I'm suddenly wondering if I generally harvest a bit early, I get usually (and with strains I really know I don't always check) a very high percentage of cloudy, with maybe 10% clear (early side of "window" ) or when it's about that or up to maybe 1/4 or so amber (25% tops), that's getting towards the end, I just wanna make sure I'm getting this as right as I can and that I am on the same page.
hmm I have some questions about this 40/60 principle.
Wait what's the 40/60 principle and what's all this talk about amber trichs?!? I thought that having some amber was a sign that it was done, but 50% or more? I thought you wanted mostly cloudy but not alot of amber because the amber meant the trichs were degrading. I've been under the impression that you want as little amber or clear, just as high a percentage of cloudy You can get.
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Hey there Raisin...if you watch your girl as she stretches there will be a day where the vertical more or less slows to a crawl or seems to stop...that day is the end of stretch in the 40/60 rule. The rule kinda is an estimate based on observed finishing times...that 40% of bloom is stretch and the girl supposedly finishes in 60% more time.

I observed my girl to finish stretching on her 30th day of bloom...making the
remaining ~ 45 days = the 60% remaining or a total of 75 days...and then the wait one week longer than you expect (not my rule either)...so up to 82 days...:rasta:

Not my formula, just using it to estimate, so I am not waiting at 63 days and wondering.

Super Lemon Haze is heavily Sativa so in some people's opinions is harvested at a different type of high...usually mostly cloudy with just hints of amber or none. Indica'a are let go to high amber percentages to increase their high end cannabinoid production (CBN, CBD...), to achieve more couchlock oriented meds and they usually have good pain control in that range. They are much more calming than a Sativa high (reportedly and in my experience).

That is about all I have read and kinda know about it....:Hookah:

:peacetwo:
 
OldMedMan said:
Aloha High :)

Very few posts stop me in my tracks, but yours sure did.

Cannabell following the path of the Rush song did it. What great lyrics. I was gone on that ride in my mind. :grinjoint:

Jolted my memory banks on that one. :)

When in Greece I knew these two English guys that would start in Morocco, traveled along the North African coast stopping in Algiers, Tunisia, Tripoli, Cairo and then through the Holy Lands to Turkey. When they got to my house, they would usually bring two keys of liquid hash, which I bought from them. Every year they would bring something new. I always wished that I could have traveled with them. What an adventure!!! :allgood:
AH! memory lane! :)

Now about the :MoreNutes: OC+. I just hope it works like you and everyone else is telling me. :hmmmm: I'll be on my way to CO to talk to you, if they burn up. Just Kidding High. I trust you my friend. :)

:peace: Brother :thanks:
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Aloha my good friend. I am thinking that the OC+ should work great for you OMM, it is my hope brother.

And when that song came to mind it seemed perfect and I love that song and always have, I had to go listen and I looked up the lyrics so I would get them right....:rasta:

What a great story brother, what an great time those guys must of had every year, sounds like fun!

:peacetwo: brother.
 
Hey that's cool, the 40/60 rule. 82 days actually sounds pretty good. That's real interesting on letting indicas go- must be why they always seem to do better with more time, despite the fact that ive always held to the amber is bad way of thinking. I will keep my normal, mostly cloudy, on my slh. Gotta get in and give em some water tomorrow, that'll be 78 and I'll give em a good look- thinking next time they are dry, it'll be 83 days give or take a day, and perfectly ready for the machete. I'm gonna be sampling some kushberry skunk layer, not much of a cure, but slow dried, should be decent. Ok time to get moving, later everybody.
 
Well I know one thing Pot loves fert's. One thing you need to watch tho, most of those fert's MG, OC, they lack alot of the micro nert's. Keep some Cal-Mag on hand, chances are you'll need them if you have a healthy happy fert drinking plant. Myself I use some MG on my outside plants. Alot cheaper than dumping 10$ every other watering on my outdoor plants. But I try to add at least acouple drops of super thrive, and atad of Cal Mag also. I noticed abit of Mag deficiency on my TNR that went into a false flower and I reverted her back to veg. Shes a monster in a smaller pot tho. I plan on a transplant soon. Before my others flower possibly 3 days? But I know this MG or OC probley doesn't have all thats needed to grow a plant in hydro. Maybe I'm wrong. It is a good source of Macro nert's. I know I've used OC on potted tomatoes with great results. Pot 'REALLY' loves fert's tho. 1500 PPM is top end fert's for a plant. Tomatoes do well at 1100. Now don't get me lieing trying to say I know anything about PPM. I just know what my poor little dirt plants need to give it hell as John Wayne says. Keep em Green
 
HighDive said:
I just ordered 5x feminized seeds. Going to start my SLH grow soon. Inspired by this thread.
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Hi there HighDive Sounds good to me! If you start a journal, let us know where it is. If not just, post things about it in here. Glad to have you and good luck with them. :yummy: Just ask if you need any advice! :thumb:
 
Aloha High :surf:

What a great story brother, what an great time those guys must of had every year, sounds like fun!
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Those guys were like quick silver, couldn't quite grab them, many countries tried.
Being mules is a tough job, even back then. They wove great tails too. As we say over here they could "Talk Story". :tokin:

Too bad I wasn't single back then. Every year in early spring, tons of English ladies showed up to work in the bars and tavernas. They all needed a place to stay. Some of my friends couldn't wait for spring! I hear they still do it every year. Over on Rhodes the German girls invaded. :surf:

Buddy, I have committed to OC+, even gave the babies some today. :)

:peace: To you and the Mrs.
 
SAMWISEE said:
I know, I have one small bud left, and the a little Cherry Hawaiian. Smoke on, SAMWISEE.:lot-o-toke:
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Cherry Hawaiian sounds good. Have never tried it that I know of. :Hookah:
There should be someone who could help you out up there. Good Luck my friend! :yummy:
 
Great high, very nice, been smoking alot more mellow stones, a bowl would leave me kinda dazed, stuck there thinking bout moving (great stash right now), but this had me dancin' (I can cussin dance my friends) to my headphones. Cussin replacing the profanity ala "the fantastic mr fox"- great cussin movie. But anyway, this stuff right here.. This slh is great, though I doubt much improvement on the ssh that they used making it. These were done organic, most my stuffs been hydro and it will really be improved with a cure. Great value gram for gram vs most the stuff out there- I'd say an awesome commercial strain. This stuff was cut at least a week early, so you can bet I'll be really ranting about this beauty down the road. I'm still watering the girls, 77 days I think today, gonna look close at em again at 80. Later friends.
 
I must confess having to grab the kushberry after about an hour to kinda smooth things out, it was a bit zippy, took 4 solid puffs, a little too much without a big sativa tolerance- I find that the more sativa the less I can smoke at one sitting and the longer I'll go before grabbing the pipe. This one I thinks a bit on the lower end of the zippy side but it's still definately there- just not a true heart palpatating sativa like a pure haze. But I'd much rather it be on this end, of course this stuff was cut after 11 weeks and the rest will go down about 12, and cured for a month- this is gonna be solid- I'll have to set a date and wait til then as kind of a celebratory thing and to make sure I give it a fair enough cure- ample hang time, ample drying rack time, then at least 2-4 weeks in glass, heck I'll have another crop to trim by then! Lovely. How cool is life when it's going good? Or at least when the goods outweighing the bad- cuz that's always there. I'll tell ya what, adding that kbs on top of the slh- wow, and it's still going strong. Try that sometime, after your sativas kicking full throttle, smoke up a bowl of some good and mellow stuff, I like that alot.
 
The more I hear the more I like...:thumb:

And the way my girl is looking and only on day 40 of a forecast ~80 day finish, I am in love with Bertha...this girl may of decided to live up to the name and not be ashamed of it...big girls need love too! Her smell is the best smell at this stage I have ever smelled (limited experience, but wow).

Here she is....Bertha the Super Lemon Haze.
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Close up of one of her side cola's...:rasta:
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I think she is happy, what about you? (See the goofy leaves, anyone else's do this?)

:peacetwo:
 
Aloha High :yummy:

That girl is beautiful Buddy! :yummy: She is gonna fill in like crazy! :yummy:

OK......we need to talk! My Church is dropping yellow leaves like crazy at least 20 of them. Not just turning yellow, but dying and dropping off. Two days since OC+. I'm worried now.
A bit on the Columbian too. Obviously can't flush them. Guess we will have to wait and see. Maybe the FFOF and OC+ is too much for them. OH! Well! I have more seeds. No way to reverse things. I'll just ride it out. Bummer! :smokin2:
 
Raisin J said:
warning a bit of a struggle with my thinking this morning, a bit of the wake and bakes got me a bit fuzzy, but I'm really excited bout this here topic of trichomes:
75-80 sure sounds about right, but with mine I don't think there'd be alot of amber at 75-80, I'm suddenly wondering if I generally harvest a bit early, I get usually (and with strains I really know I don't always check) a very high percentage of cloudy, with maybe 10% clear (early side of "window" ) or when it's about that or up to maybe 1/4 or so amber (25% tops), that's getting towards the end, I just wanna make sure I'm getting this as right as I can and that I am on the same page.
hmm I have some questions about this 40/60 principle.
Wait what's the 40/60 principle and what's all this talk about amber trichs?!? I thought that having some amber was a sign that it was done, but 50% or more? I thought you wanted mostly cloudy but not alot of amber because the amber meant the trichs were degrading. I've been under the impression that you want as little amber or clear, just as high a percentage of cloudy You can get.
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i harvest it all diff ways, depends on what i want and need....clear, kinda young, cloudy i like...kinda wirey, and amber, hubby likes, more couchlock...so we just take it as we want it....its a personal taste, mho....L

noticed alot of the guys around here like more amber in theirs than i do, but i like the speedier high for day, and the amber for nights...it gets kinda real bronze and ugly and the round tops start falling off when it is really decaying, kinda like an old building just falls apart....thats a DONT GO THERE...L
 
OldMedMan said:
Aloha High :yummy:

That girl is beautiful Buddy! :yummy: She is gonna fill in like crazy! :yummy:

OK......we need to talk! My Church is dropping yellow leaves like crazy at least 20 of them. Not just turning yellow, but dying and dropping off. Two days since OC+. I'm worried now.
A bit on the Columbian too. Obviously can't flush them. Guess we will have to wait and see. Maybe the FFOF and OC+ is too much for them. OH! Well! I have more seeds. No way to reverse things. I'll just ride it out. Bummer! :smokin2:
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Wow OMM, if OC+ kills them that would suck...I would feel terrible :smokin2:. Maybe that Church is nute sensitive...I don't know...I barely gave the one I raised any nutes...and she did fine for her size. If it was nute burn though it would hit the tips of your new growth first generally I think. That is the one true sign of overnute...maybe you are having the same low ph soil issues I was having with my FFOF and the OC+ pushed it over the edge for the plants.

Flushing might be exactly what you need to do with ph 7.0 water...the OC+ will back fill in if you are having ph issues but shouldn't be a problem...maybe you could test the runoff that first comes out of your pot when you water, just maybe drop some drops right on the water on your white boards and maybe you can see the color pretty clear that way. Not sure if you have a pen or not, but those drops are cheap and would be really easy for you to use to check runoff that way. Just be careful not to put too much water in, just enough to get runoff to check what your soil is at. If you check after it has ran out a bit you will have to average what you put into the equation....then it is kind of a guess, the first water out is closest to the actual soil ph...someone here posted about that. If I read it right anyway....:rasta:

:peacetwo: brother, hope you get those girls happy again and soon.

BTW OMM, I added hydrated lime to FFOF to balance it out for my SLH...my bag was really low ph for some reason.
 
Thanks OMM! I have a question. Is it ok to put the seed directly in soil with air-pot 1gal, and put a transparent cup over it so it doesn't dry out? Do you think that will help it grow? From my first grow I had to use a lot of seeds from bag seeds, and only a few sprouted. Since I only have 5x feminized SLH I don't want to waste them with not doing it right.

To me, I'm great with cloning but for starting out with seeds I need like 20x to feel confidence. :P Of course I cannot afford 20x SLH feminized seeds...what are some of your thoughts?
 
MountainHigh said:
Wow OMM, if OC+ kills them that would suck...I would feel terrible :smokin2:. Maybe that Church is nute sensitive...I don't know...I barely gave the one I raised any nutes...and she did fine for her size. If it was nute burn though it would hit the tips of your new growth first generally I think. That is the one true sign of overnute...maybe you are having the same low ph soil issues I was having with my FFOF and the OC+ pushed it over the edge for the plants.

Flushing might be exactly what you need to do with ph 7.0 water...the OC+ will back fill in if you are having ph issues but shouldn't be a problem...maybe you could test the runoff that first comes out of your pot when you water, just maybe drop some drops right on the water on your white boards and maybe you can see the color pretty clear that way. Not sure if you have a pen or not, but those drops are cheap and would be really easy for you to use to check runoff that way. Just be careful not to put too much water in, just enough to get runoff to check what your soil is at. If you check after it has ran out a bit you will have to average what you put into the equation....then it is kind of a guess, the first water out is closest to the actual soil ph...someone here posted about that. If I read it right anyway....:rasta:

:peacetwo: brother, hope you get those girls happy again and soon.

BTW OMM, I added hydrated lime to FFOF to balance it out for my SLH...my bag was really low ph for some reason.
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Don't worry my good Friend. You didn't hold a gun to my head.:cool: I made the decision. The only water I give them is pH 7.0. I check it religiously. The water first goes through a Brita filter set up.
Thats all I have given them except 1m of Asamax every two weeks. I should have waited until the FFOF nutes ran out. I just went by the 3 week mark. I think I should waited longer. FF tell you they last for 3 weeks. Wrong!
Tomorrow if all of the girls have problems. I will flush them all. Even the babies who are in FFOF too. If it's really bad I will junk em all and start again.
OHHHHHH I don't want to do that!:smokin2: You know me, I automatically worse case everything! :rofl::rofl:

Aloha and Peace my friend!
 
HighDive said:
Thanks OMM! I have a question. Is it ok to put the seed directly in soil with air-pot 1gal, and put a transparent cup over it so it doesn't dry out? Do you think that will help it grow? From my first grow I had to use a lot of seeds from bag seeds, and only a few sprouted. Since I only have 5x feminized SLH I don't want to waste them with not doing it right.

To me, I'm great with cloning but for starting out with seeds I need like 20x to feel confidence. :P Of course I cannot afford 20x SLH feminized seeds...what are some of your thoughts?
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Hi Buddy:grinjoint:
I have done that very thing myself and it did work. I have also just put them in a pot of soil and they germ'd. When I really want to be sure I use the old paper towel method. I take 3 paper towels and get them wet with warm water and squeeze the excess water out.. I put the seeds in the middle and fold the paper towels over them. I put this on a plate or saucer and cover the whole thing with saran wrap and seal it. Then I put it on the warm end of my cable box. Not the very hot part.

Usually they pop in 24 hours. When they have a quarter of an inch of tap root showing I plant them tail down and just barely cover the seed with soil.
By the way water the babies with slightly warm water, cold water stresses them.
I let them have indirect light for a couple of days and then slowly give them more light. It's also good to fill the cup or a small pot only half way with soil, sometimes they spring straight up and fall over. That's when to fill the cup/pot with soil so just a bit of stem and the baby leaves are above the soil. That stem will then turn in to more roots.

That's probably way more than you wanted to know, but it works. An old time grower taught me that, his name is Norcaliwood. :yummy:
 
OldMedMan said:
Hi Buddy:grinjoint:
I have done that very thing myself and it did work. I have also just put them in a pot of soil and they germ'd. When I really want to be sure I use the old paper towel method. I take 3 paper towels and get them wet with warm water and squeeze the excess water out.. I put the seeds in the middle and fold the paper towels over them. I put this on a plate or saucer and cover the whole thing with saran wrap and seal it. Then I put it on the warm end of my cable box. Not the very hot part.

Usually they pop in 24 hours. When they have a quarter of an inch of tap root showing I plant them tail down and just barely cover the seed with soil.
By the way water the babies with slightly warm water, cold water stresses them.
I let them have indirect light for a couple of days and then slowly give them more light. It's also good to fill the cup or a small pot only half way with soil, sometimes they spring straight up and fall over. That's when to fill the cup/pot with soil so just a bit of stem and the baby leaves are above the soil. That stem will then turn in to more roots.

That's probably way more than you wanted to know, but it works. An old time grower taught me that, his name is Norcaliwood. :yummy:
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Same exact way I do it cept I add 2 steps before first I scarify or scape the very thin protective membrane of the out side of shell this lets the water get into the seed faster, Then I place them in a glass of room temp PH'd water for about 12 hours. This gives them a headstart because I found with paper towel method if you have to wait too long mold or bacteria can take hold and kill seedling. these first steps have eliminated that for me and with this method Ive gotten over 100% germ rate (one seed had 2 plants :;): )

The last seeds I sprouted cracked in just over 12hrs and had a tap root by 24 with them all pretty consistent :goodluck:
 
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