Go with the rum. He'll sleep longer. 
Oh No - It's A Green Hole! - Reverse Thrusters! - Dammit - Too Late!
- Thread starter Weaselcracker
- Start date
Merry Christmas weaseley,,
- Thread starter
- #1,064
Merry Christmas to you too Nivek, and happy holidays to anyone else who may wander through here!
Happy Christmas Squirrel!
Happy Christmas Squirrel!
- Thread starter
- #1,065
~Grafting~
Some updates on the grafting mayhem.
I've had my vegging Mama. Thai, which is getting a bit large and should have been put into flowering a couple weeks ago, squashed into a corner and tied in spots to the Blueberry plant next to it. Also, in front were a bunch of little clones and seedlings and odds and ends that are blocking the way, and another large Blueberry. Everything is incredibly claustrophobic and I've been dying to let the MT out of its bonds. So yesterday I did that and cut the ties.
Now, 24 hours later;
The original first attempt (which, as you may remember, I cut free already) looks about 15% more wilted than in my last update. But still refusing to look officially 'dead'.
Out of the two remaining original graft attempts, one wilted and looks as above, limp and sad but not dead.
The third graft attempt, while looking completely ridiculous, seems to be 100% happy. I can see that my spicing method leaves a lot to be desired! Also it seems like the plants tried to kind of spit each other out, because the splice was looking very tight when I first made it. Here it is-
As I cut it free yesterday
And now today (I cut some of the larger leaves off to lighten its load, and it's a crappy picture so maybe you cant tell, but the leaves on the graft attempt are 100% perky and alive)
The Blueberry graft is the branch on the left which you can see I just cut in the first picture.
I also killed the 'extra' two month old Blueberry which I won't have room for now that the Mama T is getting big enough for at least two screens and has stolen the Blueberry's spot. Actually, soon the MT will be big enough to take up an entire light to itself. Just waiting on the 3 ripening plants on the left side before I can move anything in there yet.
Should I just kill one Malawi on that side to make room and do a monster Mama?? Anyone?
HELP ME
It occurred to me that I could use some of the chopped Blueberry in more grafting experiments so I tried various things. All of which I think will fail, but give me some ideas for the future. So right now the Mama Thai has about a dozen spots where she has been sliced open in various ways and had Blueberry parts stuck in her body. Poor thing. If she was an animal I would be arrested.
I'm choosing not to go out and google this subject because I really just want to try it for fun and adventure. I suspect that these grafts would do way better with some sort of humidity dome/bag type environment over the grafts. I think that as long as the cutting can stay hydrated for a couple weeks, nature will take its course and they'll grow together.
I tried slitting the MT's stem in a couple spots and inserting cuttings. Here are some pictures. The MT stem is about 1/2" thick.
I was thinking today- rather than slitting the stem it would make way more sense to just take the cordless drill and drill an 1/8" hole for the cutting and jam it in. Still would probably fail, but maybe if I added a humidity dome type thingy...
Obviously the original method I tried, based on Cannafan's post, is the most likely to succeed as both plants get to stay alive during the bonding period. However, it's awkward as hell for me right now. I'd like to try it again with two smaller and younger plants which aren't threatening to take over my life.
Managed to make a little room for FrankenMama and LST her down a bit for better lighting, as she's been suffering being squashed in the corner.
Oh shit that's where my lighter went..
Some updates on the grafting mayhem.
I've had my vegging Mama. Thai, which is getting a bit large and should have been put into flowering a couple weeks ago, squashed into a corner and tied in spots to the Blueberry plant next to it. Also, in front were a bunch of little clones and seedlings and odds and ends that are blocking the way, and another large Blueberry. Everything is incredibly claustrophobic and I've been dying to let the MT out of its bonds. So yesterday I did that and cut the ties.
Now, 24 hours later;
The original first attempt (which, as you may remember, I cut free already) looks about 15% more wilted than in my last update. But still refusing to look officially 'dead'.
Out of the two remaining original graft attempts, one wilted and looks as above, limp and sad but not dead.
The third graft attempt, while looking completely ridiculous, seems to be 100% happy. I can see that my spicing method leaves a lot to be desired! Also it seems like the plants tried to kind of spit each other out, because the splice was looking very tight when I first made it. Here it is-
As I cut it free yesterday
And now today (I cut some of the larger leaves off to lighten its load, and it's a crappy picture so maybe you cant tell, but the leaves on the graft attempt are 100% perky and alive)
I also killed the 'extra' two month old Blueberry which I won't have room for now that the Mama T is getting big enough for at least two screens and has stolen the Blueberry's spot. Actually, soon the MT will be big enough to take up an entire light to itself. Just waiting on the 3 ripening plants on the left side before I can move anything in there yet.
Should I just kill one Malawi on that side to make room and do a monster Mama?? Anyone?
HELP ME
It occurred to me that I could use some of the chopped Blueberry in more grafting experiments so I tried various things. All of which I think will fail, but give me some ideas for the future. So right now the Mama Thai has about a dozen spots where she has been sliced open in various ways and had Blueberry parts stuck in her body. Poor thing. If she was an animal I would be arrested.
I'm choosing not to go out and google this subject because I really just want to try it for fun and adventure. I suspect that these grafts would do way better with some sort of humidity dome/bag type environment over the grafts. I think that as long as the cutting can stay hydrated for a couple weeks, nature will take its course and they'll grow together.
I tried slitting the MT's stem in a couple spots and inserting cuttings. Here are some pictures. The MT stem is about 1/2" thick.
I was thinking today- rather than slitting the stem it would make way more sense to just take the cordless drill and drill an 1/8" hole for the cutting and jam it in. Still would probably fail, but maybe if I added a humidity dome type thingy...
Obviously the original method I tried, based on Cannafan's post, is the most likely to succeed as both plants get to stay alive during the bonding period. However, it's awkward as hell for me right now. I'd like to try it again with two smaller and younger plants which aren't threatening to take over my life.
Managed to make a little room for FrankenMama and LST her down a bit for better lighting, as she's been suffering being squashed in the corner.
Kriaze
Well-Known Member
Hey mate it looks like you're having plenty of fun with those grafting sessions, it will be nice to see how many take and which way would be the most successful. I can't help you with the plant dilemma as unfortunately I couldn't bring myself to kill a plant unless it was already near dead, although I do do that a lot 
More room is always the answer, except I say that as I'm sat in my new 'computer room' which is actually an old cubby hole that I whacked some shelves up in (thanks to my old mate who gifted me a drill for Christmas, he must have really appreciated that smoke I gave him lol) and can use so long as the chair is dragged in with me sitting on it. It's tight, but there's room for more plants and experiments 
I hope you had a fantastic Christmas with your family, and I've got a whisky here that your squirrel can partake of too, let's get him drunk and doing the squirrel tipsy dance
More room is always the answer, except I say that as I'm sat in my new 'computer room' which is actually an old cubby hole that I whacked some shelves up in (thanks to my old mate who gifted me a drill for Christmas, he must have really appreciated that smoke I gave him lol) and can use so long as the chair is dragged in with me sitting on it. It's tight, but there's room for more plants and experiments I hope you had a fantastic Christmas with your family, and I've got a whisky here that your squirrel can partake of too, let's get him drunk and doing the squirrel tipsy dance
- Thread starter
- #1,067
Well as I quickly figured out, my latest impromptu graft attempts were all destined to flop. Not surprising I guess. Maybe there's room there to experiment around with those sort of grafts if I was to make little humidity domes for them or something. I had some other ideas that might work well too.
Of the three original grafts that I did by Cannafan's suggested method, it looks like I've got one successful graft, one weak maybe, and one long shot.
Long shot.
It's been six days since I cut this one and it's very wilted. But it's obviously getting some water up its stem, or it would be worse.
Maybe..?
(this is 8 1/2 days after being cut free, and still limping along refusing to completely give up. Obviously getting a tiny bit of water and food.
The successful one (the highest limb is the Blueberry) seems totally happy, in spite of its weird appearance. The graft area is still thickening and getting stronger.
Of the three original grafts that I did by Cannafan's suggested method, it looks like I've got one successful graft, one weak maybe, and one long shot.
Long shot.
It's been six days since I cut this one and it's very wilted. But it's obviously getting some water up its stem, or it would be worse.
Maybe..?
(this is 8 1/2 days after being cut free, and still limping along refusing to completely give up. Obviously getting a tiny bit of water and food.
The successful one (the highest limb is the Blueberry) seems totally happy, in spite of its weird appearance. The graft area is still thickening and getting stronger.
Some super awesome stuff going on here grafting wise Weasel. That last one especially looks great!
- Thread starter
- #1,069
Thanks guys. I'll do some more grafting in the future but I'm just happy I got one success. I can see that a little more patience would be a good thing next time.
I'm assuming I'll have one surviving graft and if one or two of the others live, it's a bonus. I'll put the Mama Thai in to flowering as soon as I can harvest a couple plants, and make a two screen space for her. I don't have a larger pot but 10 gallons will have to do. I think my plants are ready to harvest any time. I tried a quick dried sample of the Mama Thai last night, and it was like ...
'Zing!'
I buzzed around happily doing stuff for a while, glanced at a clock thinking it was about midnight, It was 4:30 am. A couple seconds later it was 5:30. Then it was seven, and I still felt like I'd just drank three good coffees. Had a nap and really should get up now, before it gets dark again...
Pineapple Chunk looks ready as well. If I leave it much longer the sugar leaf is going to start withering and dying like it did last time. It was hell to trim.
I'm assuming I'll have one surviving graft and if one or two of the others live, it's a bonus. I'll put the Mama Thai in to flowering as soon as I can harvest a couple plants, and make a two screen space for her. I don't have a larger pot but 10 gallons will have to do. I think my plants are ready to harvest any time. I tried a quick dried sample of the Mama Thai last night, and it was like ...
'Zing!'
I buzzed around happily doing stuff for a while, glanced at a clock thinking it was about midnight, It was 4:30 am. A couple seconds later it was 5:30. Then it was seven, and I still felt like I'd just drank three good coffees. Had a nap and really should get up now, before it gets dark again...
Pineapple Chunk looks ready as well. If I leave it much longer the sugar leaf is going to start withering and dying like it did last time. It was hell to trim.
AKgramma
Well-Known Member
I wonder if air-layering works with Cannibus. It is used to propagate some ornamental trees.
With air-layering, you're leaving the cutting partly attached to the motherplant, propping the cut open with a toothpick, then wrapping the wound with peat moss and plastic wrap. You spray to keep it moist until you see roots peeking through the plastic wrap, then cut the rooted plant from the mother.
This might work when clones are not working and you need to save the strain.
With air-layering, you're leaving the cutting partly attached to the motherplant, propping the cut open with a toothpick, then wrapping the wound with peat moss and plastic wrap. You spray to keep it moist until you see roots peeking through the plastic wrap, then cut the rooted plant from the mother.
This might work when clones are not working and you need to save the strain.
- Thread starter
- #1,071
I think it does. I'm pretty sure i read of people doing it. I tried it once a few years ago and didn't have success but didn't try very hard.
Btw. Re your cloning issues. I was having them too, but I moved my cloning operations to an upper shelf and things are working now. I think temps had just dropped a bit too much in the usual spot for rooting to happen. I mean, that's obviously something you've probably thought of- but maybe there's a chance things have just dropped a couple degrees without you noticing?
Btw. Re your cloning issues. I was having them too, but I moved my cloning operations to an upper shelf and things are working now. I think temps had just dropped a bit too much in the usual spot for rooting to happen. I mean, that's obviously something you've probably thought of- but maybe there's a chance things have just dropped a couple degrees without you noticing?
Kriaze
Well-Known Member
Hey Weasel thanks for the picture mate. After what I've been looking at for the past few days that is a sight for sore eyes. It sounds like the buzz is right, get it chopped and get that 'Zing!' on some more I like the sound of that it sounds like a fantastic buzz. I'm sat having a few here and playing some online gaming with my son for the first time in too long. Things are in a Happy place now I've finally started cracking on reaping the benefits (minor amount but more than welcome) of my last grow and found that I can holiday until the New Year without a touch of work in sight <fingers crossed that nothing comes up, I hope I didn't just jinx myself with that 
With the grafting it seems that you found a successful way of doing it so applause to you sir
I'll have to give that a try definitely. All the best 
I like the sound of that it sounds like a fantastic buzz. I'm sat having a few here and playing some online gaming with my son for the first time in too long. Things are in a Happy place now I've finally started cracking on reaping the benefits (minor amount but more than welcome) of my last grow and found that I can holiday until the New Year without a touch of work in sight <fingers crossed that nothing comes up, I hope I didn't just jinx myself with that With the grafting it seems that you found a successful way of doing it so applause to you sir
I'll have to give that a try definitely. All the best - Thread starter
- #1,073
Thanks Kriaze. All the best to you as well. I like the post Christmas vibe much better than pre. You'll be harvesting a lot more soon enough I think, you just have to keep on doing what you've been doing with the new soil.
There was a member some years back who did successfully air layer cannabis and journaled a nice tutorial on it. Can't remember his name right now, but you should be able to track it down. Wait..... Let me try. Found it!!!
Jon705's Multi Strain HPS LED Hybrid System
AKgramma
Well-Known Member
You need to backtrack to page 78 to get to the discussion on air-layering
lexort420
Well-Known Member
Getting all Frankenstein over here i like it lol. Keep up the great work weasel!
I see a huge difference in cloning at 70 vs 80 degrees. I like to keep my clones at 80 until they make roots. The top of my flouro light in my veg tent is perfect usually. Put a single CF up there for them.
Maybe that is why my cloning is so spotty,, one week good, next time bad,, hmmmm,,
Guess I should be more scientific in me labooratoory,, best get a lab coat,, that should make me more scientific,, gonna try that,,
Cheers weaseley,,
Oh,, i guess if one pollinates a flower and the seed takes about six weeks to mature,, and the whole plants flowering cycle only takes eight or even less weeks,, well, there is clues there to procedures necessary for success,, i hope I clued in in time,,
Cheers weaseley
Guess I should be more scientific in me labooratoory,, best get a lab coat,, that should make me more scientific,, gonna try that,,
Cheers weaseley,,
Oh,, i guess if one pollinates a flower and the seed takes about six weeks to mature,, and the whole plants flowering cycle only takes eight or even less weeks,, well, there is clues there to procedures necessary for success,, i hope I clued in in time,,
Cheers weaseley
- Thread starter
- #1,079
Basically I moved my cloning operations from the summertime spot, down low in a corner where they stayed cool enough, up to the wintertime spot above the veg light so they could be warm enough. They are really appreciating the warmth under them now.
I googled the seed maturation time and came up with 'three to six weeks'. I suppose it's true now that I think about it more, that most flowering plants aren't really at the seed dropping stage till pretty late in the summer or fall, and probably aren't in any rush because they're usually not planning to sprout till they've sat through the winter anyway. You could harvest most of the plant and just leave the pollinated limbs extra long. Maybe tucked away in some corner under a cfl or in a box?
I googled the seed maturation time and came up with 'three to six weeks'. I suppose it's true now that I think about it more, that most flowering plants aren't really at the seed dropping stage till pretty late in the summer or fall, and probably aren't in any rush because they're usually not planning to sprout till they've sat through the winter anyway. You could harvest most of the plant and just leave the pollinated limbs extra long. Maybe tucked away in some corner under a cfl or in a box?
Yes, leave the branch, I thought that as well,, i think I am good with the bunch I have now,, but i need to remember to pollinate plants whilst early in the flower stage,, is all,, i can do that I think,, cheers pal,, Thx for the cloning temp tip,,