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It is NOT a 'bad' batch of soil if your problems are starting at 4 weeks into flowering. Any soil you buy in a bag is going to be depleted by that point. The plant is simply starving to death.
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I am doing everything I can to keep my plants as green as they can be for at least the first 6 weeks after the pistils start showing. Two more, maybe three, weeks and I am harvesting.Yes, and add the fact that yellowing of leaves and Senescence can be normal towards the end of flowering, so as a newbie it's tough to troubleshoot.
I think the "bad batch" reference was to the infestation of larve in the mediumIt is NOT a 'bad' batch of soil if your problems are starting at 4 weeks into flowering. Any soil you buy in a bag is going to be depleted by that point. The plant is simply starving to death.
Even if that is true, it is not a 'bad' batch of soil if things want to live in it, and it is not the manufacturer's fault if the vendors store it outside.I think the "bad batch" reference was to the infestation of larve in the medium
That's true, but then you have to be hands on every single day with those media, where soil gives you time. Every style has merits to it, but also disadvantages. Best to choose whichever one suits you bestThis thread is a good example of common issues that growers have while using Fox Farms soil or similar media. It's not easy to judge when plants need supplemental nutrition.
On the other hand, this is not a problem with peat and coco because the grower always determines what the feed is. The awkward transition phase of running out of nutes in the soil and providing supplements never happens.
And pure peat always runs into pH troubles eventually. They all have ups and downs.Peat can be watered like soil. One big watering every 2-3 days.
Coco benefits from more frequent watering.
Infested soil is considered bad soil when, you're in controlled environment.Even if that is true, it is not a 'bad' batch of soil if things want to live in it, and it is not the manufacturer's fault if the vendors store it outside.
Of course the bags get damaged, that really can't be prevented. If you find soil that is stored outside that nothing is living in, you should take that as a cue that a plant probably wont like it either.
It is NOT a 'bad' batch of soil if your problems are starting at 4 weeks into flowering. Any soil you buy in a bag is going to be depleted by that point. The plant is simply starving to death.
And it is my contention that the issues occur after they are sold - Soil is not something that gets stored indoors generally. I will agree that soil with wildlife living in it isn't ideal for indoors but again I say it isn't the manufacturers fault. The simple fact that there is so much good stuff in the bag is the reason things want to live there. If the soil was bad, it would be bereft of life.It was brought to my attention, that many are having problems with Happy Frog becoming acidic late in the grow. Apparently, Sphagnum moss deteriorates and can cause the PH to drop. I also have problems with Happy Frog and Aeration/Drainage and soil becoming compacted (with added perlite).
On the other side, one of the bags of Ocean Forest I purchased was rancid. After watering it, my grow room spelled like a pig farm. Both batches of Ocean Forest I purchased were pure poison.
And it is my contention that the issues occur after they are sold - Soil is not something that gets stored indoors generally. I will agree that soil with wildlife living in it isn't ideal for indoors but again I say it isn't the manufacturers fault. The simple fact that there is so much good stuff in the bag is the reason things want to live there. If the soil was bad, it would be bereft of life.
That is true for peat moss and/or coco based soil mixes. Also true for a typical natural/organic type of soil mix bought at the store or mixed up by the user. If the grower determines what has to be fed and when then no out of control problem.On the other hand, this is not a problem with peat and coco because the grower always determines what the feed is.
It happens with soil-less mixes which are those coco coir or peat moss bases mixes all the time. It almost seems like every time there is a soil grower concerned about why the leaves on their plants are turning yellow and brown there is the same question from someone growing in a coco-peat type of mix. It is just that their question or complaint is in another sub-forum.The awkward transition phase of running out of nutes in the soil and providing supplements never happens.
And a proper natural or organic soil mix does not have pH issues. Less concern regarding the pH of the water going and no need spending time and money checking the water that runs through and fills up the saucer.Ready to use mixes of peat, perlite and lime do not commonly have pH issues if the feed is pH'ed correctly. It's a forgiving media. The runoff can be as low as 5.3ph early in the grow and as high as 7.8pH late in the grow without getting any leaf issues. That's a huge range.
It happens with soil-less mixes which are those coco coir or peat moss bases mixes all the time.
Soil or soil-less...neither is the perfect choice for everyone. Each requires some knowledge of the pluses or minuses. And each comes with unique problems.
Also true for a typical natural/organic type of soil mix bought at the store or mixed up by the user. If the grower determines what has to be fed and when then no out of control problem.
And a proper natural or organic soil mix does not have pH issues
" Improperly stored" batch of soilEven if that is true, it is not a 'bad' batch of soil if things want to live in it, and it is not the manufacturer's fault if the vendors store it outside.
Of course the bags get damaged, that really can't be prevented. If you find soil that is stored outside that nothing is living in, you should take that as a cue that a plant probably wont like it either.
@SmokingWings is correct... these commercial potting soils become depleted after a time, and that length of time depends on your pot size and what strain you are growing, and auto or photo. Then you need to start regular feeding of liquid ferts. Fox Farm has their line of liquid ferts, as do other potting soil companies. You have ferts for veg, and ferts for flower. Have a look at my potting soil analysis, link in my signature.That is a good question! As a new grower, I had hoped that buying high end soil (Fox Farm Etc..) would be all that I needed but I was very wrong. Every bag of dirt you buy can be good or bad for many reasons. For example, go to your local nursery and look to see how the soil is stored. I was surprised to see most soil stored on pallets outside with NO protection from rain or bugs. Many of the bags had big gaping holes as well.
To answer your question. I don't know, and sadly it's not as simple as you'd think. I'm leaning towards adjusting Happy Frog soil and sending it out to have it thoroughly tested. I'll be using up my bag of Happy Frog one more time before giving up on Fox Farm using Dolomite lime, Worm Casings, Rice Hulls, and Perlite.
I've heard Pro Mix, Roots Organics, and Coast of Maine Platinum are decent, but they all have the same problems I mention above. If your nursery isn't taking care of the soil, your stuck.
@SmokingWings is correct... these commercial potting soils become depleted after a time, and that length of time depends on your pot size and what strain you are growing, and auto or photo. Then you need to start regular feeding of liquid ferts. Fox Farm has their line of liquid ferts, as do other potting soil companies. You have ferts for veg, and ferts for flower. Have a look at my potting soil analysis, link in my signature.
happy growing!