Noob - Requesting Help

[GrEeNdAyZ]

A couple of answers for you,

When you see the 60 days or what ever for a strain...typically that's the time it takes the plant to flower so you have the Veg time on top of that. With photoperiod plants you can control how long that is. Auto's are going to flower when they want but your still going to have veg time on top of your 60 days...I have not grown autos so I could be incorrect.
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LB and Guy are suggesting two tents...In the first you would do the veg time from seed or you could have a mother perpetually in a veg state and you could start clones...then tent two is for flowering only...once you have your timing down, as soon as you harvest a plant, another one is ready to be flowered, so on and so on...with autos you won't have that control. Before you know it you have, dried buds in a jar, a plant or two drying and curing, a few in the flower state and some cute seedlings or clones.

Normally the plant is finished at harvest. Cannabis is an annual plant, like petunias, meaning it runs from seed to flower and dies. It is possible to re-veg a plant, people do it, I have no experience but from the basic reading I have done, I think it's easier to just germinate anther seed.

Watering only takes a bit of time to figure out, although there are many solutions to automate the process it doesn't get much easier than, water till run off, let dry till you notice a significant difference in weight...it's a feel thing you'll catch on to quick, by the time your plants are larger you won't even have to pick them up...a nudge of the dry pot and you'll know wether it needs water or not. Seedlings are a bit tougher in the beginning, best advise, less is more.

It's awesome that your just looking at plants in general and starting to think about how they are doing...that's a skill! Your on the right track!

I ordered the two strains I have from 420, fast to Canada, can't complain at all...all the seeds I have gotten wet have germinated.

Regardless of the container size, I prefer fabric pots.

For dirt, personally, I do the easy route, premixed potting soil. The one I use is a ProMix product thought...my local grow shop guy suggests just ProMix HP and worry about nourishment via nutrient mixtures...I'm thinking I will go that way when the need arises.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

I will second what my friend is saying and suggest going with something as forgiving as promix HP for your first run and get used to nutrients. I would suggest going to your local grocery shop and purchasing something simple and salt-based to start off with and see how you do. You would likely be buying a part A & B for veg and a part A and B for flower they usually run between 10 and $20 per bottle. That's the inexpensive route and that's the way to learn as far as I'm concerned, once you get used to that you can start looking into no tills, living Organics soils, Coco, Hydroponics or whatever you wish. I would get used to Growing the plant first and see how it behaves.

As far as the two tents are concerned, yes that is an ideal situation as far as being able to have control over your seasons. Like most of these guys and girls do I do my vegetative state at 18 / 6 and then my flower at 12:12, of course gradually changing when it's time. You can keep a plant in vegetative cycle as long as you want to get it as big as you want by keeping its lighting at 18/6. This is how you get monstrous plants from a single seed by doing training methods to keep the plant low Etc. Another really key thing that you need to get used to is that environment is everything. You can give them nutrients or water or light or whatever until you're blue in the face they will not react until your environment is correct .....ie.....temperatures between 70 and 79 ideally. I've done just fine with temperatures above that but ideally that's the zone.

Hopefully this answers a couple more of your questions.

 

[LB07]

I will second what my friend is saying and suggest going with something as forgiving as promix HP for your first run and get used to nutrients. I would suggest going to your local grocery shop and purchasing something simple and salt-based to start off with and see how you do. You would likely be buying a part A & B for veg and a part A and B for flower they usually run between 10 and $20 per bottle. That's the inexpensive route and that's the way to learn as far as I'm concerned, once you get used to that you can start looking into no tills, living Organics soils, Coco, Hydroponics or whatever you wish. I would get used to Growing the plant first and see how it behaves.

As far as the two tents are concerned, yes that is an ideal situation as far as being able to have control over your seasons. Like most of these guys and girls do I do my vegetative state at 18 / 6 and then my flower at 12:12, of course gradually changing when it's time. You can keep a plant in vegetative cycle as long as you want to get it as big as you want by keeping its lighting at 18/6. This is how you get monstrous plants from a single seed by doing training methods to keep the plant low Etc. Another really key thing that you need to get used to is that environment is everything. You can give them nutrients or water or light or whatever until you're blue in the face they will not react until your environment is correct .....ie.....temperatures between 70 and 79 ideally. I've done just fine with temperatures above that but ideally that's the zone.

Hopefully this answers a couple more of your questions.

To piggy back on what he is saying. I firmly believe coco is easier to grow in than soil. It's more forgiving. Allows you to flush without causing major issues. Holds a good oxygenation rate in the medium. Cannna's nutrients are straight to the point and simple.


With two tents you'd essentially be using one tent to supply the other tent. Grow up babies to then relocate to the flowering tent. You could technically chop a plant every other week if you liked! My setup I'm about to complete will be a 4x4 flower tent that'll have 4 7 gallons in it. Each one will be 3 weeks apart in their cycle. That way every 2-3 weeks I'll be chopping down a plant, and then moving a clone from my 3x3' to my flower tent! This gives you time to grow clones, and pick out the ones with the most promise and vigor. If you want more after than you can simple add another flower tent and double the amount of plants you have flowering!!! You can probably have a ratio of 1:4 with veg:flower tents.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

There you go brother, that's a pile of information to absorb all at once.... We just kind of take it for granted and in no time so will you LOL

 

[Guy Cavallero]

To piggy back on what he is saying. I firmly believe coco is easier to grow in than soil. It's more forgiving. Allows you to flush without causing major issues. Holds a good oxygenation rate in the medium. Cannna's nutrients are straight to the point and simple.


With two tents you'd essentially be using one tent to supply the other tent. Grow up babies to then relocate to the flowering tent. You could technically chop a plant every other week if you liked! My setup I'm about to complete will be a 4x4 flower tent that'll have 4 7 gallons in it. Each one will be 3 weeks apart in their cycle. That way every 2-3 weeks I'll be chopping down a plant, and then moving a clone from my 3x3' to my flower tent! This gives you time to grow clones, and pick out the ones with the most promise and vigor. If you want more after than you can simple add another flower tent and double the amount of plants you have flowering!!! You can probably have a ratio of 1:4 with veg:flower tents.

The Perpetual, a dream of mine.....m a good friend who got me into growing told me that every 28th of the month I should be taking clones or dropping seeds. Of course the date is optional LOL.

 

[GrEeNdAyZ]

The Perpetual, a dream of mine.....m a good friend who got me into growing told me that every 28th of the month I should be taking clones or dropping seeds. Of course the date is optional LOL.

For me, I'm constructing a single 8x6 space, following all the cannabis growing principles with lighting, filtration etc but will only do one or two cannabis plants at a time and mess around with a bunch of other plants and try some different growing techniques.

 

[JohnnyC]

Holy shit Chief you just got more info in 2 hours than I did when I first started. Your all set my brother people on 420 just wanna help that's why I don't fuck with any other weed app. G

 

[Guy Cavallero]

For me, I'm constructing a single 8x6 space, following all the cannabis growing principles with lighting, filtration etc but will only do one or two cannabis plants at a time and mess around with a bunch of other plants and try some different growing techniques.

Mine is gonna be 6x12. On the right as you walk in the room is my 3x3 which is going to be used only for veg. My present wall cabinet is my veg space so it's gonna be hung up again for seedlings and cloning. Straight ahead is my storage and desktop for mixing etc along with my water source. My flower room much like yours.....6x8 ish with all the goodies I can afford lol.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

So WC.....did ya get all of that lol? As I said yesterday, we just take a lot of this stuff for granted, it's a lot all at once but you posed the questions so we are doing our best to answer.

As far as your setup is concerned, I wish I had the space that you have available immediately. More than anything, we are just trying to make sure that you don't waste money and end up buying things twice.

 

[WarChief]

Hey guys,

Thanks for all the replies! Sorry it took so long to answer back, I've been busy. And... HOLY SHIT. lol It's going to take me a bit to process all of this, but you guys are awesome!

I'll be looking into the promix soil and find out what the coco stuff is. I'm also looking around and trying to decide what route I want to take with the multi-tent idea. I need to figure out what'll work best for my space (spare bedroom).

One other question I have right now would be this: With auto-flowers, should I be concerned with keeping a veg room? Because as I understand it, they flower no matter what; so keeping one in veg wouldn't work (for clones and whatnot). Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

The room has a small closet, it could probably fit 4 decent sized plants in there. Think I should make that my veg "room" and keep the 8x8?


I can't say this enough guys, I appreciate all of your feedback! There's a shit ton of stuff I need to research based off all of your suggestions, but I can guarantee your time hasn't been wasted!

 

[LB07]

Eventually you'll want to get away from autoflowers. They are fun to grow, great for filling in voids in the tent, but for a avid grower they will leave a lot of desires on the table. You have less control over what your plant can and will do.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

To further, I do not believe that taking a clone from an Autoflower is even possible. It will just continue to work as though it was already that many days into veg. You are correct in saying that autoflowers will flower automatically, hence the name.....no control.

I second LB07. I originally started out with autoflowers in a single 3 X 3 tent, and when I was two weeks in I was bored with them and bought a cabinet that I hung on the wall and immediately started a new set of phenotypes.

I can't stress environment enough.....Temps, lighting, air flow/exchange etc......

Be a sponge but enjoy yourself more than anything!

 

[WarChief]

Hey guys, I have a few more questions:

First off, in-line fans and filters... What kind do you or would you use in your tent? I know the CFM is important and totally dependent on the size of your tent; for example if I went with the 8x8 I'd need an 8" fan and a filter to fit. I found one that looks promising, but they are a little pricey, can I get your input?

The fan I'm looking at is a Vortex S-Line 8" (S-800) that covers 711 CFM.

The filter I'm looking at is the Phresh Carbon Filter 8"x24".

Secondly, I want to ask about humidity. I was looking at a Humidifier / Dehumidifier combo with electronic control to manage the humidity and keep it at optimum levels, as well as having the extra benefit of keeping mold particles away from the plants. Have any of you attempted this? What do you think about that?

Lastly, I want to ask some more about lighting. You guys mentioned COB lighting is the way to go. What makes the small squares / circles of light more effective than an entire panel? I'm trying to find the best possible lights I can without dropping $3,000 to $4,000 while trying to maximize coverage. I found a seemingly nice Kind LED panel that looked quite promising, but the reviews were abysmal. I'm still shopping around, looking at various COB lights and full LED panels.


Additionally, I've been watching some videos. I have yet to watch Growmau5. I've got a backlog built up but I'm working through it one piece at a time! Anyway, one of the guys mentioned two books in particular I should pick up. One was Marijuana Grow Basics by Jorge Cervantes and the other was The Cannabis Encyclopedia by the same author. Have you guys read these? Are they as comprehensive as this YouTuber said they were?

Also, there are a few questions that I previously asked in the larger post with all the quotes that didn't get answered. I'll post them again for your convenience.

Guy, you mentioned Haze strains were much more complicated, and I asked how so?

You guys also mentioned Growant's thread, and I asked how I can find said thread?


That's it so far! There's a shit ton to research and consider, but I'm enjoying going through it all and learning what I can! I'm slowly developing the products I'll be picking up. I can't remember which one of you suggested it, but I was looking at pots and came across the fabric ones. I think I may go with those as well, so thanks for that suggestion! Piecing together everything is fun... granted I still have a long way to go, but it's an exciting endeavor!

Oh! Have any of you had any experience with auto-trimmers? I think that's what they are called... It's late and I'm having a hard time remembering what I read about it earlier. Basically it takes your harvesting time down to just an hour or so. One of those youtubers has some very informative videos for beginners, so that probably saved you guys a LOT of time replying to my aimless ass!

Anyway dudes, as always, THANK YOU! If I don't catch your replies all weekend, I hope y'all have a great one and I'll catch you next week!

 

[WarChief]

Here's a couple of the lights I've been looking at; among others:

Advanced LED Lights - Full Spectrum LED - Diamond Series XML 350 With 10W CREE XML LEDs

Advanced Platinum Series P900 900w 12-band LED Grow Light - DUAL VEG/FLOWER FULL SPECTRUM

VIPARSPECTRA 1200W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum

Do any of you have any experience with these lights or have any input regarding what they can do for my grow tent; assuming I go ahead and use the 8x8.

 

[LB07]

All of those are the same dollar per watt as a vero cob light with less than half the performance. Seriously look up building a cob. It'll over double your yield.

To put it pretty simple, if I didn't have weed growing under my blurple leds right now I'd throw them in the trash. I'm actually ripping them apart and throwing them away after this cycle. Taking the drivers out to make cobs.

 

[LB07]

I'm likely going to run 12-16 cree cxb3590s per 4x4 flower tent. DIY i can get it done for about $600 per section @ 12 lights or 720w.

 

[GROWant]

Here's a couple of the lights I've been looking at; among others:

Advanced LED Lights - Full Spectrum LED - Diamond Series XML 350 With 10W CREE XML LEDs

Advanced Platinum Series P900 900w 12-band LED Grow Light - DUAL VEG/FLOWER FULL SPECTRUM

VIPARSPECTRA 1200W LED Grow Light Full Spectrum

Do any of you have any experience with these lights or have any input regarding what they can do for my grow tent; assuming I go ahead and use the 8x8.

Please check out some of our lights. I think you'll be happy with the Performance and Price.

 

[Guy Cavallero]

Please check out some of our lights. I think you'll be happy with the Performance and Price.

Can't beat Gees involvement on this forum ....2 thumbs!

 

[GrEeNdAyZ]

Chief,

I'd be talking to GROWant if it were me...where else are you going to get lighting advice, right from the manufacturer, in your own Journal!

 

[Guy Cavallero]

I'd second that. Although I have no involvement with him whatsoever, Gee has been really amazing the past few months since becoming a sponsor and answering any questions. I am also subscribed to his thread, very interesting stuff over there. I see nobody else that is a site sponsor who is as active a participant. If it were me I would buy a light of somebody that used the same light every day in his own garden........ That's just my two cents worth.