My Jack Herer is Bleeding?

Hey Guys, His is wierd and interesting stuff! I have had clear to cloudy, milky sap ball appear were I clipped. The sap ball at end of stem turned into reddish brown scab formed. But the fluid/sap was NOT at all red or bloody as soon as I popped them. Will look in to this, I`m off Monday and we have rain all day as the forecast. So it`s bong hits for breakfast and lap top all day.Hope to find info that may help. We used to smoke stuff that put out that same color resin in bucket fulls when you rolled it. Suck on a Tooties-Roll and smear it on teeth with tongue. That`s what teeth looked like after smoking joint till it clogged and smothered self out. Again that was not just plucked!....Strange and cool will keep on it!!
:thanks: :welldone: :surf:
 
I love it with a name like that she should have 1!!!!:thumb: But still not red or purple. orange is of the more common type i belive coming from pigments #2 the red bleeding are from the more rare pigmints # 3 witch carrie the blue blue the blue green and the green. makes me wonder if i wouldnt be able to use one of those green lights in my room? but still uncommon because i have never seen orange thats sweat. but yeah if you do the reasurch for it to bleed red or purple is something that DOESNT happen to often on ANY plants. congrats to you ladyleaf:thumb: and the color also determins the amounts of sugars that are in you plant. the more reddish and purple the more sugar baby. OH AND THE REASON WHY I SAY ORANGE IS MORE COMMON EVEN THOUGH ITS NOT COMMON is that i read somthing that went like this..... the sap can be clear to milky, light brown to brown and sometimes orange,( the more rare occurance is bleeding of red to purple)
 
I think you are in the right church but wrong pew so to speak. As I read and interpret what I read it all seems relative to the photosynthesis process of the plant. Meaning it has to do with the coloration of vegetation and growth not necessarily the sap color. It does sound like it may be a ph related or deficiency issue, even though so subtle. Where as your Anthocyanins seem relative to visual colors.

Here is a interesting read.

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Colours in Cannabis
By G. of Vancouver Island Seed Company - Wednesday, September 10 2008

Whenever the subject of colors in cannabis comes up, I'm reminded of the time I was working with a grow partner near Errington in the central Vancouver Island region. We had been growing a variety of strains because we were determining what grew well in the area and had a bunch of clones that had to be tried out.It was a good grow year with plenty of sunny days, though not as much rainfall as we would have liked. As the season neared its end, the nights got colder but the days were still bright and clear and the plants were ripening well; we were doing a selective harvest — taking down the various plants as they finished. The harvest was almost complete and there were only a few more plants to be cut down.

We were working our way through some blackberry bushes towards a Timewarp hybrid when I heard my partners exclaim "Shit! It's gone". Having discovered earlier that day we'd had some of our plants ripped off, I rushed towards him, my mind racing with thoughts of poachers. Emerging from the bushes seconds later, I saw what my partner had missed and started laughing as my tension dissolved. Quickly gaining control of my mirth, I pointed out that my partner was standing within a few feet of a beautiful nine- or ten- foot plant. He hadn't seen it simply because it was purple; the stalk, stems, and every leaf on the plant were purple; "It doesn't look like cannabis to me," he said with a sheepish grin.
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The colors of cannabis are a highly debated subject with different schools of thought prevailing as to why cannabis displays different hues. Many growers feel that reds, pinks and purples indicate a stronger, more potent bud; others feel that the sight of any other color but green indicates that that plant was grown in a cold climate. Cooler temperature is just one factor in the color of your bud, and while purple bud may be amazingly potent, you'll find green bud that's just as amazingly so. Long time growers attest to the exceptional variety of colors attainable in your everyday marijuana crop.

An annual plant, cannabis completes its life cycle within one year, starting as a seed, then germinating, maturing, reproducing, and dying. For a large part of its life, cannabis is green, the color a result of chlorophyll, a chemical significant to the plant's photosynthesis ability. During the vegetative phase of its life, cannabis will be a shade of green that can be used as a health indicator of the plant.

A healthy plant exudes a vibrant green luster, whereas leaves and stems suffering from nutrient deficiencies change from green to various other colors. Nitrogen deficient plants produce yellow leaves, a sign of diminished chlorophyll production. Plants lacking phosphorous produce small, dark green leaves with purple veins, purple leaf stems, and purple-streaked stocks. When a plant lacks potassium, the leaves turn yellow, then brown and eventually die. Deficiencies in zinc, magnesium and calcium all cause color changes.

While color changes in plants can indicate the state of deficiencies, colour change can also occur in healthy vigorous marijuana plants. Color differences in the leaves of healthy plants are a result of genetic and environmental influences, and also occur as plants near the end of their life cycle. Pistil color changes are influenced by the grow medium's pH effect on the fragile female cannabis flower.

The beautiful green of the cannabis plant wasn't the only color present during the vegetative stage, but until the lengthening dark cycle triggers the plant to stop production of the green chlorophyll, we can't begin to see the yellow and gold color of the carotenoids. It is perfectly natural for cannabis leaves to change colors and die off as the plants reach their "autumn" or finishing stage, showing varying shades of green, yellow, gold and more.

Some plants will turn red and purple as anthocyanins are produced using excess sugars in the leaves and spreading through cell fluids. The pH of the cell fluid determines the color variation, with an acidic fluid producing reddish hues, and an alkaline fluid producing blues. Cellular pH being genetically regulated, each strain has its own unique combination of chlorophyll and carotenoids and potential for anthocyanins production, giving a great splash of color to a diversified grow as nights grow longer and temperature cools. Many strain's color range is limited exclusively to greens and yellows through the life cycle.

In addition to the autumnal color changes in the leaves, many species show color in their stems when finished in cooler temperatures. Some, like Blackberry from VISC (Vancouver Island Seed Company) and Blueberry, have colored buds in all but the warmest grows; the colors in these buds can change intensity and even hues when subjected to colder nights. While these colors are caused by the same plant components as in the leaves, there is the genetic roll of the die here. Black (see pictures of Black at VancouverSeed.Com - VISC - Vancouver Island Seed Company - Liberty Seeds - Your source for award winning Canadian marijuana genetics such as Gold, GSPOT, Lady Liberty and Burmese. Ranked among the worlds best cannabis.) is a phenotype whose bud is always a dark purple in any temperature grow, yet Black hybrids will grow in colors ranging from purple to mauve to white. The purple color seems dependent on receiving a recessive gene from both parents, which allows for greater glucose conversion into anthocyanins, and having a suitable cellular pH. Not related to size or to resin production, bud color is purely aesthetic in value.

While small and slight, the pistil (reproductive flower) of the female cannabis plant, can have an impact far greater than its size on your overall impression of the plant.

Fucking Incredible by VISC is a plant whose pistils can change colors. Certain nutrient formulations with a pH level of 6.8 cause F.I. to produce buds with reddish pink or even magenta pistils, while the same plant grown in a lower pH will develop white pistils.

Marijuana plants aren't the only examples of flowers that can react to the pH of their medium. The hydrangea (Hydrangea macrophylla) has flowers that change colors — pink in alkaline and blue in acidic. This is a great example of interplaying environmental and genetic influences. While all strains are affected by adjusting the pH of the soil, the few that exhibit coloured pistils as a result are a visual joy in your grow.

It is generally believed that the pH of a plant's cells is genetically regulated and not influenced by the growing medium's pH, and the change of colors can be explained by the plants ability to absorb certain elements only in suitable pH soil. In the case of the hydrangea flower, the blue color is the result of the plant's intake of aluminum, something most garden soils contain, which will not be useable by the hydrangea in alkaline soil.

I have witnessed the amazing array of colors naturally available in this fantastic plant for decades, and am continually amazed by the diversity. I have also seen growers "creating" gold coloured weed by starving their plants, and others trying to change the colors of the bud by watering with Kool-Aid.

As a longtime breeder of cannabis, I am not a scientist and haven't tried to bring an exhaustive understanding of the biology of plants to this forum. I have, however, brought forward a number of factors and possible influences relating to the variety of colors in cannabis. Genetics, maturity, pH, amount of light, temperature, and even available sugars can influence the color of cannabis. Some of these factors are easily controlled, others seemingly impossible; with knowledge comes ability.

Growing a variety of species in your garden is immensely rewarding in many ways, to which color can be a spectacular addition. While color will not change the plants potency or yields, it is possible to enhance the many colors in your garden naturally enhancing its beauty and the enjoyment of the diversity that cannabis gives us. For me, marijuana is a beautiful species that I will always grow and enjoy, in more ways than one.

Colours in Cannabis
By G. of Vancouver Island Seed Company - Wednesday, September 10 2008
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Another great read I located, this is but an excerpt.

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Marijuana Botany
An Advanced Study: The Propagation and Breeding of Distinctive Cannabis

by Robert Connell Clarke

Color - The perception and interpretation of color in Cannabis floral clusters is heavily influenced by the imagination of the cultivator or breeder. A gold strain does not appear metallic any more than a red strain resembles a fire engine. Cannabis floral clusters are basically green, but changes may take place later in the season which alter the color to include various shades. The intense green of chlorophyll usually masks the color of accessory pigments, Chlorophyll tends to break down late in the season and anthocyanin pigments also contained in the tissues are unmasked and allowed to show through. Purple, resulting from anthocyanin accumulation, is the most common color in living Cannabis, other than green. This color modification is usually triggered by seasonal change, much as the leaves of many deciduous trees change color in the fall. This does not mean, however, that expression of color is controlled by environment alone and is not an inheritable trait. For purple color to develop upon maturation, a strain must have the genetically controlled metabolic potential to produce anthocyanin pigments coupled with a responsiveness to environmental change such that anthocyanin pigments are unmasked and become visible. This also means that a strain could have the genes for expression of purple color but the color might never be expressed if the environmental conditions did not trigger anthocyanin pigmentation or chlorophyll breakdown. Colombian and Hindu Kush strains often develop purple coloration year after year when subjected to low night temperatures during maturation. Color changes will be discussed in more detail in Chapter IV-Maturation and Harvesting of Cannabis.

Carotenoid pigments are largely responsible for the yellow, orange, red, and brown colors of Cannabis. They also begin to show in the leaves and calyxes of certain strains as the masking green chlorophyll color fades upon maturation. Gold strains are those which tend to reveal underlying yellow and orange pigments as they mature. Red strains are usually closer to reddish brown in color, although certain carotenoid and anthocyanin pigments are nearly red and localized streaks of these colors occasionally appear in the petioles of very old floral clusters. Red color in pressed, imported tops is often a result of masses of reddish brown dried pistils.

Several different portions of floral cluster anatomy may change colors, and it is possible that different genes may control the coloring of these various parts.

The petioles, adaxial (top) surfaces, and abaxial (bot tom) surfaces of leaves, as well as the stems, calyxes, and pistils color differently in various strains. Since most of the outer leaves are removed during manicuring, the color ex pressed by the calyxes and inner leaves during the late flowering stages will be all that remains in the final product. This is why strains are only considered to be truly purple or gold if the calyxes maintain those colors when dried. Anthocyanin accumulation in the stems is sometimes considered a sign of phosphorus deficiency but in most situations results from unharmful excesses of phosphorus or it is a genetic trait. Also, cold temperatures might interfere with phosphorus uptake resulting in a deficiency. Pistils in Hindu Kush strains are quite often magenta or pink in color when they first appear. They are viable at this time and turn reddish brown when they wither, as in most strains. Purple coloration usually indicates that pistillate plants are over-mature and cannabinoid biosynthesis is slowing down during cold autumn weather.
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Now that last paragraph seems to strike a chord perhaps.
 
Additional color information...

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Environmental Factors

Several pigments are responsible for color in plants: chlorophyll, carotene, xanthophyll, and anthocyanins. Chlorophyll is the pigment in chloroplasts of plants that reflects green light. Plants use the energy absorbed by chlorophyll in photosynthesis to produce food for their growth and development. It is continually broken down during photosynthesis and being replenished by the plant.

Carotene and xanthophyll are pigments that reflect orange and yellow light respectively. Both are present in the chloroplasts, with chlorophyll enabling the plant to absorb a wider range of wavelengths of light and thus capture more energy. These pigments are present in such small quantities that the more dominant chlorophyll typically masks them.

During flowering, with the passing of summer, days become shorter. The phytochromes, the light-sensing mechanisms in leaves, recognize the shorter day lengths. The shorter days and lower temperatures arrest chlorophyll production. Chlorophyll breaks down faster than it is replaced, allowing the yellow and orange pigments to be unmasked.

The molecules reflecting red wavelengths, anthocyanins, are water-soluble pigments that occur in the cell sap, creating the red, pink, and purple hues. These pigments may not be present during the summer, or vegetative cycle, but their formation is encouraged during a succession of cool nights and sunny days. During these days when photosynthesis and chlorophyll production are decreasing, an abundance of sugars accumulates in the leaf. The cool nights promote a separation layer of cells in the petiole–where the leaf attaches to the stem–that prevents sugar from flowing out of the leaf, and also arrests the flow of nutrients into the leaf. The formation of anthocyanin requires bright light, a diminishing water supply, and the accumulation of sugars trapped in the leaf.
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a little more...

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If your plant has the genetics which make it prone to anthocyanin accumulation, you can make it turn purple by dropping the temperatures in the growing environment down below 50 degrees Fahrenheit when the light is off. Some plants will turn purple without such a drastic drop in temperatures, and like I said before, for some plants it just isn't possible.

You can also experiment with nutrients from your local hydroponic supply store. They may have something that can turn any weed purple, but we have not had the time to test all of these products.

In the end, you need to realize that turning your weed purple won't make it any better. The reason that most purple bud is so good is because the people who have been growing pot long enough to master the trick of turning bud purple don't want to mess around growing anything but the dankest of headies. On the other hand, you may have smoked purple bud which was not very good at all. Some strains will turn purple no matter what you do to them, and an inexperienced grower could have grown some Mexican brick weed quality ganja which just happens to be purple.
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Can anyone perform some Chromatography and measure his bleeding jackie?
We could possibly find out what pigments are in there. How would we test the ph of the sap as well?


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A third class of pigments are the anthocyanins. Unlike the chlorophylls and carotenoids, anthocyanins do not participate in photosynthesis and may appear red, purple, or blue. Anthocyanins occur widely among higher plants, and are the pigments that generally give color to flowers, but also occur in leaves and fruits. In leaves, these pigments often help to protect against excessive sunlight that can damage some leaf tissues. This is one reason why a young,
newly developing leave is often redder than when it reaches its mature size.
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Beans were any of the stems or stalks reddish in color on your Jackie? Or any coloration for that matter?
 
I love all the great info but please go on google and search for images of bleeding plants dont think you will find anything and no stalks arent purple look at the pictures there is many of them my plant looks health ant why yes plants do carrie ANTHOYACININ for plants to build those kinds of sugurs is not normal i belive. when have you picked a flower and it bled red i never have.
 
I do believe the best chance to find any relative images will be in associated context. I doubt there are few if any labeled in any manner to locate what you seek. We must remember we are also reaching across a technology barrier of time. Cameras, cell phones, tablets, and such are much more widely accepted with internet access than it was not so long ago. So as access to media changes so does the perception of it. There was a time we cherished an up to date set of encyclopedias in the house. Today they are worthless just about. Folks are only now coming into a realm of digital information sharing amongst the masses. Your generation as an example was born into it. So you expect it, as it has always been there. But what we search for may very well come from beyond all that. The is where educational research and papers are a good source. But as we know legal research has been close to non existent in the past. I think the best possible resource will be the current online communities we have today. Only via these portals are we sharing our experiences world wide.

I tend to believe as well many have dismissed it as no biggie or just plain never noticed. The majority of growers out there in the real world I am sure don't keep picture journals nor care to. As I stated earlier I had accepted it as common seepage just red sometimes. Other may have taken the same view and made no note of it. Just a possible theory...
 
Ask yourself this. Why can i find all this info on this phenomenon. BUT ABSOLUTLY NO PICS OF THIS OCCURANCE!!!!!

QUOTE FROM THE GREAT 420FIED......I veg my moms on 24/0 and flower on 12/12 and i've sustained my yeild through thousands of plants.... NOTICE he said THOUSANDS.....this was from a post to someone else...... but that being said he also said he has only read about it has never personaly seen it.....

My wifes parents are form THAILAND they have seen lots of exotic plants and plus all they know is farming..... that being said they have never seen red sap coming from any plants overthere either so...

Like i said anyone who has picks post them because this shit is rare.

RARE LIKE THAT TRI-TIP IM GOING TO THROUGH ON THE GRILL TODAY!!!!
 
BRO, i like all the smart book talk that you give us and all these scientifical reasons for this to happen. But you have absolutly NO evidence that this is a common occurance!!! And i have all the proof in the world that my plant is a special. almost 650 views and the closes thing we got to it is someone claiming that theres turned orange and a pic that looks absolutly nothing like my picks.... There is way more info on the net then you can find in any damn book. type in a word select image I PROMISE YOU the image your looking for will pop up..search for images of plants with red sap nothing nothing nothing!!!!
 
blood-root plant emits a red sap. Breaking this will cause a ORANGE-RED ooze. Sap of the plant contains alkaloids including sanguinarine, which is RENOWNED FOR MEDICAL USE. including curing warts ,inducing sleep and treating eczema,asthma and bronchitis.

The more i read and post about this stuff the more im convinced that my plant is not like others...COME ON BRO THE PROFF IS IN THE PUDDING no one has a plant like this. So know what im asking is that you give us more than just blah blah blah to go by. oh and you stated that.... I just exepted it as COMMOM seepage just red sometimes......LOLZ whos sap here is red sometimes.hahaha you say sometimes like this has happen to you 10 15 20 + times. I DONT THINK SO MY MAN.
like i said eailer 420fied is also the DEFOLIATION KING..all he does is chop his plants up.....IN THE BEST OF WAYS. thousands of plants must equal 50,000 to 100,000 plus cuts he has done in his life still no red . Im just going to post thing as i read them PLEASE. like i said its not me you have to convince this is COMMON its them i got one that bleeds right in front of me DO YOU?
 
QUICK UPDATE... i watered alst night feb 26 added a lil stronger dose of nitrogen.. I took a clipping and she stopped bledding:scratchinghead:.......NA IM JUST KIDDING...ABOUT THE STOPPED BLEEDING PART. and you say this happens to you sometimes i dont think so.. new picks as of 930 feb 27
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FRESH CUT YOU CAN TELL BY THE SHEEN ON THE SAP.
 
I will repeat yet again, I never said common. As you have harped on the term common in your definition, I have asked you to define what common is, give me a number. All you have continued to do is raise the number. You started off my stating show me two here. We have seen more than that. We have seen two separate individuals that bothered to show it in their gardens photos here on 420. I just found another, on another cannabis related site. But I see there is no sense in putting it up as well. You will only continue to raise the bar and refuse to see nothing out of this world is happening. I am convinced no matter how much we show it has happened to others you will argue that this common seepage of sap is so UNUSUAL in your world because it is red. We have shown real world data as how this can happen and why. And yes there are other plants that bleed. I showed that earlier. Meanwhile you continue to argue with nothing but opinion my friend. You will always be able to find more that have not, that we will that have. That is obvious.

My stand opposed to yours has been the same all along, It was not uncommon as I have seen it before and know I am not a unique gardener of any kind. So it had occurred numerous times in my gardens. Yet your sightings trump my sightings. Then you set out to show others that have not seen as well. That was easy to do. I took the harder path and have shown it occurred elsewhere as well. With photographic evidence, Yet you still stand unique in your garden. I am confused as to what it takes? Has this changed now to a most popular vote? Again my point was to indicate it's not unique, using the tools of the English language as defined by Webster. The evidence my friend is insurmountable in that respect. You prefer to stick to your definition of common whatever that may be today. Is that common sense?

I will agree that it being colors other than red, is MORE COMMON. Hence MORE people have had that experience.
 
420farmer said:
All that info on color change is great! It's very interesting, but it has nothing to do with the images he posted or the issue of bleeding red plants.. My critical was ALL purple at harvest.. BUT the sap and liquid inside was all clear..
Click to expand...

Also it's clearly shown his plants are young... And GREEN.
 
Let me repeat what the fuck you said..... You said that it is not uncommon TO SEE RED SAP not uncommon. when you say that is NOT uncommon you must be refering to it being common. when you say thats uncommon it is uncommon but when you add the not infront of it that makes it a common occurance YOU FEEL ME!! bro the more posts you place in here smokes the more you fuel my argument and it looks like add the end of this fight its not going to be a split dessision. im going to win by a unanimous.!!! and you always refer back to the dictinary for things lolz and you state that you have seen this before also you state that it happens to you sometimes and when you say sometimes can we both agree that means multiple time or are you going to refer sometimes as to once lol
 

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