MVortex's Perpetual Thread For A 4x4 Tent & RDWC

multiVortex said:
an iron deficiency. :rolleyes:
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I'm not so sure about that. Iron def starts with new growth and affects the whole leaf from the base out to the tip. Starts to yellow from the petiole and works to the tip. Now if it is iron def that is the funniest one I have seen.
multiVortex said:
Consulting our handy dandy chart, iron should be available all through the hydro range.
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As long as you stay below 6.1 correct
multiVortex said:
Up the Irons :headbanger:
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That won't help. Iron defs are casued from a lack of availabilty, a demand for more of the nutrient, or bad pH. There is plenty of iron in Megacrop.
So what causes more demand for iron? High levels of K.
What decreases the availability of iron? Amongst other nutrients the main players are Ca and P. Any combination of too much Ca, too much P or too much K causes issues with iron.

Maybe @West Hippie can chime in on how what levels of pH he hit to correct it. Again, this is assuming it's an iron def as you mentioned.
 
I bought a $20 electronic syphon..( or fuel transfer thingy) when I was using 10 inch net pot for the last 2 water changes because they were just too darn heavy
uses c batteries and worked pretty good .
 
MrSauga said:
I'm not so sure about that. Iron def starts with new growth and affects the whole leaf from the base out to the tip. Starts to yellow from the petiole and works to the tip. Now if it is iron def that is the funniest one I have seen.
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If you look really close in the pic, you can see it getting started on a couple much younger leaves. That may not be a correct diagnosis, but it was the closest thing I could find in pics that resembled what I'm seeing above.

Even though it's some sort of something or other, I'll have to admit that outside of that and all it entails, it does look kinda cool. Kind of like someone took a paintbrush to it.



Northern Hydro said:
I bought a $20 electronic syphon..( or fuel transfer thingy) when I was using 10 inch net pot for the last 2 water changes because they were just too darn heavy
uses c batteries and worked pretty good .
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That part I have covered, and then some. It's not the tool, but the access. Even at this smaller stage it's a bit of a risk with the mass of roots underneath, combined with the weight of the plant, to get the lid cocked over to pop a tube down to get the rest from the buckets. Need to figure out something pretty quick though, else I'll be in for snaking a hose from the res into the first bucket and having to call it good. :laugh:
 
MrSauga said:
Ya it almost looks like a genetic thing. Have you looked under those leaves just to verify nothing got under there buggy wise.
Nice work Picasso :)
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Yep. I spot check for bugs every time I open a tent. If a leaf is funky, first thing I check. She sure has been a bit fussy though.

I dunno about genetics. It's a Blue Dream (fem) from Humboldt Seed Org.

It sure is interesting though, I'll give it that. Note that the rest of the leaf still had that nice MC green tone. It really is (well, was) stunning in person. Such a vibrant yellow hue against that green.


I'm probably being a little more aggressive with the trimming on these, especially after the way my Super Lemon Haze (Auto Lemon Drop) just bushed all the hell out with so many inner branches. I think these will end up putting out some nice buds though. We will soon find out though, as they will be getting flipped this Monday or the next. If I wait much longer that DP is going to be up and out of the tent. Of course I have to figure out when I want the lights on and bounce it against my own schedule. Then check if the lights are on outside the tent, if it's still dark inside. It was when I put it together, but that doesn't mean it still is. :laugh:

I might be able to squeeze another week out of veg, but I dunno. I'll have to have a hard look at them tomorrow. They're all growing well outside of that, and fast too! Their root balls are basketball size, and growing hard.




MrSauga said:
The plants do look great though outside of those funky leaves.
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Thank you! :D
 
MrSauga said:
Did you see those pics of West Hippie's Frozen Mama? Look's very similar to the leaf pattern yours show. His was due to cold conditions. Just sending out my ramblings for the day! Have a good one MV!
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Interesting. I’ve got the night temp set for a min of 68, and the room itself doesn’t get below 66. That shouldn’t be too low?

Water temp is 70F-72F, pH has been in the 5.8-6.0 range, and humidity has been 65% with a max of 69% this week.
 
MrSauga said:
Nope, not at all! Sorry I was just throwing things out there when I came across his pic. Have a great week MV!
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I definitely appreciate it very much! It certainly has me thrown for a loop on what's going on, and then some!

I'm going to do some more digging into it here after bit. Been occupied all weekend with other stuff, and need to get down and get my things in order and set to be day 1 of the flip tomorrow. They're on 7a-1a right now, thinking I'll set it for 11a-11p, maybe 11:30. I dunno. Going to cut the lights off early tonight though, for a little bit longer of a starting dark period.

On top of all that, I noticed this morning my fans crapped out on me. Hooked up backups and then had to leave. This is the second pair of fans, and the replacements for the first pair. The first lasted about 5 weeks, and these managed to last a whopping 3 days. :rolleyes:

They were good and swapped me out (actually a refund/repurchase, but same diff) on the first one, but no idea what will happen from these. Hope they make it right. However it looks like I'll need to check with Mr Bezos for something better.
 
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From a couple days ago, to...


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Spreading out and added support in prep for a bit of a stretch.



Tomorrow will be day 55 for these girls on this side of the "dirt", and will be day 1 of the flip. They've come a long way, are getting spread out, and may just make something good. :)

As they stretch I will scrog them a bit to try and keep things evened up. I'm not going for a full screen as it's more for support than a true scrog, but any stretch I can eat up to keep them even is welcomed. I bet the DP will fill things in pretty good though in her corner, and the rest may surprise. We'll see over the next couple of weeks.

Light is 20" above the net, and at 80% power for the stretch. I have a "guide" for the light that recommends 60% at 12", but I did some math and should be close to the same intensity with this height/power. Once the stretch is over, I'm planning on maintaining an 18" height for most of flower, and then 14" the last couple of weeks.


I originally wanted each plant to have it's own screen. As time was consumed by other things, I didn't manage to get anything put together. I have some individual 2x2's, but they don't work with the way this is plumbed. However, I have a plan...

I'm going to run PVC in a + shape, and as I harvest a plant, I can cut the netting and secure the cut side on the remaining plant to the PVC. That should keep things decent enough. I will also add a secondary support level at some point as the plants get taller.
 
Well, the lights are on at their new time. Time to run down and check it out.
 
Pennywise said:
Let them get a little height before you flip.
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I was going to let the stretch cover that as they come up and through? No bueno?


The two Strawberry Lemonades (two plants in front above) are a hair short, but I'm afraid that Durban Poison (back right) will be out of control if I wait any longer to flip her. :(

Net is more support than really a scrog, and to keep things spread out as they come through more, but if I need to eat up some stretch (looking at you, DP) then I'll weave a bit.



After this mornings check:

Girls are fine this morning. They are just waking up and the new start time worked. (I triple checked the timers to make sure after the juju going around as of late. :))

Will get a fresh pic more towards the end of the day.


Overall timers are set to:

- Timer 1: 10:45 on, 23:15 off. (This timer controls the power to the actual fixture. More below in the details.)

- Timer 2: 11:00 on, 23:00 off. (This is the main controller, that actually turns the light on to specified intensity.)


Why 2 timers? Some may recall that there was a minor glitch with the lighting rig. With power available to the fixture itself (controller enabled or not) it would emit an extremely faint glow. A glow so faint that it wouldn't even register on my light meter an inch below the fixture. So we're talking less light than even a sliver of moonlight.

That being the case, and then throw in a healthy dash of grower paranoia, I put the actual fixture power on a timer and turn it on/off just outside what the controller does. From here on, I will refer to this extremely faint glow as the "Moonlight" effect. It's not near bright enough to hurt anything, but always better to play it safe.

So the full lighting pattern looks something like this:

10:bonghit: moonlight effect comes on.

11:00: controller begins 20 minute sunrise sequence.

11:angel: controller sunrise ends with light at 80% intensity.

22:cool: controller begins sunset sequence.

23:00: controller sunset sequence ends, leaving just the moonlight effect.

23:15: moonlight effect is turned off.


What's up with the 15 minute early on and off? Why not set the timer much closer to the actual controller time?

Good question. Have you ever seen the time that a timer is set to drift? This 15 minute pre/post on/off game at 10:45 and 23:15 is to compensate for that just in case. Why not just check it now and then? I could, but I'd probably forget and get bit in the ass by it. :19;

This moonlight effect really isn't shit. It seems like it, but it could honestly be left on all night and not make a single difference. Plants outside, away from town, get more moonlight than this is giving off. The faint glow in town is even more, and plants still (usually) do alright. End result is it's simply taking a bit more caution just in case of another light leak somewhere that could compound the issue. Ounce of prevention, pound of cure kind of thing.
 
Pennywise said:
I played with light times and couldn’t tell much difference. Go ahead and flip them if they need it.
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Not really playing with time, the lights are on/off at 11. I turn power on/off to the actual fixture 15 min before and after. Don't need the moonlight effect all night. If I didn't have plants growing, I would have swapped out the light, but going probably 3-4 weeks without a light (by the time I ship mine back, then they ship a new one) would not have been good.

Today is day 2 of the flip. Maybe I should start a pool for how much the DP will stretch. :rofl:


I was thinking last night that maybe I could have waited a week, then taken more clones since the others went to shit. But then thinking about it, there probably isn't anything in here that I want to run on a regular basis anyway. I was just out for practice and honing skills on the bonsai mothering. I guess I could take a couple in the next week and they might be ok.

Need to figure out why the first batch blew up on me though.
 
Agree wholeheartedly. It's been a good while since I fired up the cloner. My guess is I didn't do it right. :rofl:

I may take a few snips to try again, for nothing more than the practice.
 
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