Re: Green Dreamz - Multi-Strain - Multi-Media - Multi-LED - Grow
That is something to think about though.
Multi-Strain - Multi-Media - LED - Grow
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Hey there Tassie.....glad to see you out and about my friend
I vaped that wax and it got me nice, but not as fooked up as last night
......was right where i needed it to get some stuff done
Very well said Jinn......that is what it did for me today......yes i got a really good buzz, but most importantly it made my body more functional and willing to get things done that would normally take a couple of days
Dont get me wrong.....i love getting high......very much so, but it is first and foremost medicine......i have had over 12 or 13 surgeries putting things back together or back where they were suppose to belol.....so good medicinal weed does wonders for me, but when i worked it was a different story.....being retired affords me the benefit of being pain free most of the day..... but just pain free......dont need to have a buzz but enjoy it none the less
Hey Cajun....the co-grow is growing awesome.......LB is showing that she is the true grower in the family, but thats alright i still support herlol.....yeah i got the strips yesterday.......go back a page or two and i took pics and also some after i put two of them up.....still deciding the fate of the 3 and last one......i love them so far......well made......waterproof.......top bin osrams.....virtually no heat.....the only thing i have negative to say that i havent yet is that they need better hanging options.....i am using mine as horizontal side lighting and they seem to be more for hanging over the top of the plants, but was an easy fix with zip ties and 550 cord.....and i can raise or lower them with ease
Hopefully your wrong about the downfall, but i have heard issues with the concentrates and even heard of two cases of overdose from edibles i believe.......it was on the reality show Pot Barons of Colorado.....have you got to check it out yet Doc?
Oh yeah i wanted to tell you that i talked to the owner again from my new lights and asked him about the hanging distance reccomendations........he said what it is is that they underdrive the 3 watt osrams....they are driven for efficiency......it has to do with the ppf and ppfd which is very interesting.....now i dont remember all of it, but it is published on thier website, but it has to do with the actual photons reaching the canopy........nevermind....i found this and thought that it would be good for all of us to take a look at.....gives a different perspective on comparing lights and companies......anyway i hope some of you find it usefull
[h=2]HOW TO COMPARE GROW LIGHTS[/h][h=3]NOTE:[/h]
Let's face it: comparing various horticulture lighting systems can be a very difficult task. This is especially true due to the amount of exaggerated marketing claims, misleading information and blatantly wrong metrics that are common in the horticulture lighting industry. Hence, we decided to publish a quick guide to help you compare the various lighting solutions on the market. By following these guidelines and asking manufacturers these questions, we believe you be in a much better position to find a horticulture lighting solution that meets your needs.
OK, in order to explain the correct method for evaluating a horticulture lighting system, let's start by highlighting the metrics you should never use when comparing horticulture lighting systems.
DON'T Do The Following:
RULE NUMBER 1
Don't use electrical watts to compare grow lights
RULE NUMBER 2
Don't use Lumens to compare grow lights
RULE NUMBER 3
Don't be fooled by a company that claims to have a magical growth spectrum
RULE NUMBER 4
Don't just look at a single PAR (PPFD) measurement directly under the fixture
RULE NUMBER 5
Don't focus on the wattage of the LED used in the fixture (1W, 3W, 5W, etc.)
In general, if you see a company using any of the above items to promote their horticulture lights, run away and don't look back. Neither of these metrics, nor their derivatives, tell you anything about the performance of a horticulture lighting system.
RULE NUMBER 1 Many people use total electrical watts, $/watt or watt/square foot to compare horticulture lighting systems, but these metrics are 100% useless and will most likely lead a consumer to make a poor purchase decision. Why? Simple. Electricity doesn't grow plants. Furthermore, radiometric efficiency (how much light a fixture emits per watt of electricity) can vary by up to 200% amongst the popular LED fixtures on the market today. Hence, since light (not electricity) grows plants, you need to ask how much light a fixture emits. It sounds simple, but 99.9% of horticulture lighting companies do not advertise this metric. Instead, they focus on electrical watts. Why? Because it is very hard to design an efficient lighting system that delivers high light levels (measured in μmol/Joule), and it is very easy to build an inefficient lighting system that consumes a lot of electricity. High efficiency LEDs, power supplies and optics cost more than less efficient components, and many manufacturers use lower quality components to increase profit margins. To reinfornce Rule #1, let's compare two lighting systems using a real-world example.
Let's assume fixture A consumes 333 watts and Fixture B consumes 430 watts. Fixture A costs $1000 and Fixture B costs $1300. By only looking at the electrical watts of each fixture, many consumes would assume Fixture B is a better fixture. After all, the $/Watt is $3 for both fixtures, and many people assume higher wattage lights are better for growing plants. (See Figure 1)
However, since Fixture A is 100% more efficient than Fixture B, Fixture A actually delivers 54% more light to the plants, despite costing 23% less than Fixture B. While it may be hard to believe, people who purchase Fixture A actually pay 50% less per unit of photosynthetically active light (PPF) than if they had purchased Fixture B. (See Figure 2)
Remember...You are not buying a lighting fixture. You are buying a system that delivers light to grow your plants, so a quantitative measure of light is the only relevant metric you should use to compare horticulture lighting solutions.
Couldn't be that good...I can't see no funny typing
Good morning GD,
+1 BAR....I'm with you mate, I want a good high, not wiped out...mostly
...damn sure like to try it once for fun though....
Hey there Tassie.....glad to see you out and about my friend
Have you got ants in your pants? It's not like you to be so active
I vaped that wax and it got me nice, but not as fooked up as last night
......was right where i needed it to get some stuff doneVery well said Jinn......that is what it did for me today......yes i got a really good buzz, but most importantly it made my body more functional and willing to get things done that would normally take a couple of days
I hear you also Jinn. Using cannabis for meds as opposed to getting high is a whole different ballgame. I'm fortunate to still be living pain free in this old abused body.
Dont get me wrong.....i love getting high
......very much so, but it is first and foremost medicine......i have had over 12 or 13 surgeries putting things back together or back where they were suppose to belol.....so good medicinal weed does wonders for me, but when i worked it was a different story.....being retired affords me the benefit of being pain free most of the day..... but just pain free......dont need to have a buzz but enjoy it none the lessHey Cajun....the co-grow is growing awesome.......LB is showing that she is the true grower in the family, but thats alright i still support her
lol.....yeah i got the strips yesterday.......go back a page or two and i took pics and also some after i put two of them up.....still deciding the fate of the 3 and last one......i love them so far......well made......waterproof.......top bin osrams.....virtually no heat.....the only thing i have negative to say that i havent yet is that they need better hanging options.....i am using mine as horizontal side lighting and they seem to be more for hanging over the top of the plants, but was an easy fix with zip ties and 550 cord.....and i can raise or lower them with easeMe either BAR. That is until you manipulate it and concentrate it. Coca and poppy are harmless plants until they're concentrated through a very similar process to making wax or shatter.
I'm just saying that it's something to be aware of and will most likely be the downfall of legalization.
Wow I'm a total bummer today. Sorry all.
I'm done with my negative vibes now.
Happy Friday all.
Hopefully your wrong about the downfall, but i have heard issues with the concentrates and even heard of two cases of overdose from edibles i believe.......it was on the reality show Pot Barons of Colorado
.....have you got to check it out yet Doc?Oh yeah i wanted to tell you that i talked to the owner again from my new lights and asked him about the hanging distance reccomendations........he said what it is is that they underdrive the 3 watt osrams....they are driven for efficiency......it has to do with the ppf and ppfd which is very interesting.....now i dont remember all of it, but it is published on thier website, but it has to do with the actual photons reaching the canopy........nevermind....i found this and thought that it would be good for all of us to take a look at.....gives a different perspective on comparing lights and companies......anyway i hope some of you find it usefull
[h=2]HOW TO COMPARE GROW LIGHTS[/h][h=3]NOTE:[/h]
If you are not familiar with the differences in PAR, PPF and PPFD — please read our article first to get the most out of the rest of the information provided here.
As a refresher, PAR (Photosynthetically Active Radiation) simply means the light a fixture emits will promote photosynthesis in a plant. Important - PAR is not a metric; it is simply a type of light. PPF (Photosynthetic Photon Flux) is a critical metric that tells us how much light a fixture emits. It doesn't measure the intensity at any location, but it tells us how many photos are coming out of the light every second. PPFD (Photosynthetic Photon Flux Density) tells us how much light is falling on a very specific location (i.e a specific leaf on your plant) every second. If you have a PAR meter, it is reporting PPFD (μmol/m2/s) measurements. You must understand the differences in these metrics before you can compare various horticulture lighting systems. Many manufacturers realize this can be a confusion topic, so it is very easy for companies to mislead consumers by showing a limited set of metrics. However, once you understand the differences in these metrics, you will be able to cut through all of the 'marketing' and 'hype' and ask manufacturers to provide all of the metrics you need to successfully compare lighting fixtures.Let's face it: comparing various horticulture lighting systems can be a very difficult task. This is especially true due to the amount of exaggerated marketing claims, misleading information and blatantly wrong metrics that are common in the horticulture lighting industry. Hence, we decided to publish a quick guide to help you compare the various lighting solutions on the market. By following these guidelines and asking manufacturers these questions, we believe you be in a much better position to find a horticulture lighting solution that meets your needs.
OK, in order to explain the correct method for evaluating a horticulture lighting system, let's start by highlighting the metrics you should never use when comparing horticulture lighting systems.
DON'T Do The Following:
RULE NUMBER 1
Don't use electrical watts to compare grow lights
RULE NUMBER 2
Don't use Lumens to compare grow lights
RULE NUMBER 3
Don't be fooled by a company that claims to have a magical growth spectrum
RULE NUMBER 4
Don't just look at a single PAR (PPFD) measurement directly under the fixture
RULE NUMBER 5
Don't focus on the wattage of the LED used in the fixture (1W, 3W, 5W, etc.)
In general, if you see a company using any of the above items to promote their horticulture lights, run away and don't look back. Neither of these metrics, nor their derivatives, tell you anything about the performance of a horticulture lighting system.
RULE NUMBER 1 Many people use total electrical watts, $/watt or watt/square foot to compare horticulture lighting systems, but these metrics are 100% useless and will most likely lead a consumer to make a poor purchase decision. Why? Simple. Electricity doesn't grow plants. Furthermore, radiometric efficiency (how much light a fixture emits per watt of electricity) can vary by up to 200% amongst the popular LED fixtures on the market today. Hence, since light (not electricity) grows plants, you need to ask how much light a fixture emits. It sounds simple, but 99.9% of horticulture lighting companies do not advertise this metric. Instead, they focus on electrical watts. Why? Because it is very hard to design an efficient lighting system that delivers high light levels (measured in μmol/Joule), and it is very easy to build an inefficient lighting system that consumes a lot of electricity. High efficiency LEDs, power supplies and optics cost more than less efficient components, and many manufacturers use lower quality components to increase profit margins. To reinfornce Rule #1, let's compare two lighting systems using a real-world example.
Let's assume fixture A consumes 333 watts and Fixture B consumes 430 watts. Fixture A costs $1000 and Fixture B costs $1300. By only looking at the electrical watts of each fixture, many consumes would assume Fixture B is a better fixture. After all, the $/Watt is $3 for both fixtures, and many people assume higher wattage lights are better for growing plants. (See Figure 1)
However, since Fixture A is 100% more efficient than Fixture B, Fixture A actually delivers 54% more light to the plants, despite costing 23% less than Fixture B. While it may be hard to believe, people who purchase Fixture A actually pay 50% less per unit of photosynthetically active light (PPF) than if they had purchased Fixture B. (See Figure 2)
Remember...You are not buying a lighting fixture. You are buying a system that delivers light to grow your plants, so a quantitative measure of light is the only relevant metric you should use to compare horticulture lighting solutions.
skunnymonster
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Re: Green Dreamz - Multi-Strain - Multi-Media - Multi-LED - Grow
Top share Dirty, I've seen those claims on many a website
Top share Dirty, I've seen those claims on many a website
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Oh yeah.....even one of my favorite lights that i will be purchasing another of is guilty of a fewlol........but a good way for noobs and vets alike to use
Oh yeah.....even one of my favorite lights that i will be purchasing another of is guilty of a few
lol........but a good way for noobs and vets alike to useskunnymonster
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My light guy isn't guilty, he tells it like it is
My light guy isn't guilty, he tells it like it is
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yeah man i like his info on his sight....your lights that is......very up front dude he seems to be
yeah man i like his info on his sight....your lights that is......very up front dude he seems to be
wildwelshman
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good morning buddy from over the big pond.....hope your having some happy dirty dreams lol...
good morning buddy from over the big pond.....hope your having some happy dirty dreams lol...
british green
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Good day to you gd and lb I hope we are all enjoying the weekend . I'm loving your vape by the way .
Good day to you gd and lb I hope we are all enjoying the weekend . I'm loving your vape by the way .
skunnymonster
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Good morning Dirty, just passing through
Good morning Dirty, just passing through
Renegade69
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Trolling, trolling, trolling....
Obtw....very nice share on "how to compare"...good stuff there...
Trolling, trolling, trolling....
Obtw....very nice share on "how to compare"...good stuff there...
drcannabi
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Morning GD,
Thanks for the share. I really like the way they explain it. Even I can understand the concepts hehehe.
I did watch Pot Barons. Comcast on demand lol. Those guys are really raking in the dough. It's an interesting show for sure. The dispensary scene here in WA is no where near what CO has. We have miles to go before it's even going to be sustainable. I look at Washington's model add what not to do. CO got it right.
Happy Saturday buddy!
Morning GD,
Thanks for the share. I really like the way they explain it. Even I can understand the concepts hehehe.
I did watch Pot Barons. Comcast on demand lol. Those guys are really raking in the dough. It's an interesting show for sure. The dispensary scene here in WA is no where near what CO has. We have miles to go before it's even going to be sustainable. I look at Washington's model add what not to do. CO got it right.
Happy Saturday buddy!
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Howsit GreenZ hope your having a Great Shatterday
Howsit GreenZ hope your having a Great Shatterday
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Good afternoon you three......been unable to get on till now as my kid had company over
....but i am here now for a bit....plenty of dirty dreams Welshylol.......i am digging the new vape BG....i hope all is well with you and yours my friend..
Yeah i just came from you yard Skunny.....quiet in there today....oh....Go Liverpool
I am glad you liked it Renegade.....i fellt it is a very fair way to compare lights and know that you are gettting what you need for the best price available
Well Hello there my Sexy Mistresslol......you know i really dont have an opinion on the Patriots whether or not they did or didnt do anything to the balls....i just dont like making assumptions like that to be honest......i really hope it isn't true......i dont think it would have been nessecary anyhow.......now who i am going for.....well since my Panthers are out of itlol.....i am an underdog kind of guy so i wil have to go for the Seahawks, but just as i have no other choicelol......what about you Shawnee......who will you be rooting for?
Happy Daze Doc.......yeah i have seen on tv that Washington is pretty far behind CO on the dispensaries and some other stuff as well.....hopefully they get it together soon for you guys.......man i wanted to put more of the info up about the comparing lights, but most of the rest had thier name on it or thier lights and i dont think that would be kosher to do being they arent sponsored.....but i am loving my light bars from them so far.....damn things hurt to look at so that means less quality time with the girlslol
Doing great Chonic....i hope you are as well....Happy ShatterDaze buddy
Good day to you gd and lb I hope we are all enjoying the weekend . I'm loving your vape by the way .
Good morning Dirty, just passing through
Good afternoon you three......been unable to get on till now as my kid had company over
....but i am here now for a bit....plenty of dirty dreams Welshylol.......i am digging the new vape BG....i hope all is well with you and yours my friend..Yeah i just came from you yard Skunny.....quiet in there today
....oh....Go LiverpoolI am glad you liked it Renegade
.....i fellt it is a very fair way to compare lights and know that you are gettting what you need for the best price availableWell Hello there my Sexy Mistress
lol......you know i really dont have an opinion on the Patriots whether or not they did or didnt do anything to the balls....i just dont like making assumptions like that to be honest......i really hope it isn't true......i dont think it would have been nessecary anyhow.......now who i am going for.....well since my Panthers are out of itlol.....i am an underdog kind of guy so i wil have to go for the Seahawks, but just as i have no other choicelol......what about you Shawnee......who will you be rooting for?Morning GD,
Thanks for the share. I really like the way they explain it. Even I can understand the concepts hehehe.
I did watch Pot Barons. Comcast on demand lol. Those guys are really raking in the dough. It's an interesting show for sure. The dispensary scene here in WA is no where near what CO has. We have miles to go before it's even going to be sustainable. I look at Washington's model add what not to do. CO got it right.
Happy Saturday buddy!
Happy Daze Doc.......yeah i have seen on tv that Washington is pretty far behind CO on the dispensaries and some other stuff as well.....hopefully they get it together soon for you guys
.......man i wanted to put more of the info up about the comparing lights, but most of the rest had thier name on it or thier lights and i dont think that would be kosher to do being they arent sponsored.....but i am loving my light bars from them so far.....damn things hurt to look at so that means less quality time with the girlslolHowsit GreenZ hope your having a Great Shatterday
Doing great Chonic....i hope you are as well
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Afternoon Green,
Something tells me there is something rotten around Mr. Wonderful and his integrity has been compromised in my book. Doesn't mean I wouldn't shag him if I had the chance, but I'm going with the Seahawks as well.
Afternoon Green,
Something tells me there is something rotten around Mr. Wonderful and his integrity has been compromised in my book. Doesn't mean I wouldn't shag him if I had the chance, but I'm going with the Seahawks as well.
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....LB has quite a few of those.......I dont like him, but i wouldnt throw him out of bed......Brady is ok looking but LBs favorite is Channing Tatum and Joe Manganiello from True Blood......if you dont know who that Joe dude is ....look him up.....i have to say that is a good looking dude.......now everyone i am a happily married heterosexual, but if dude is good looking he is good looking .......doesnt mean i want to jump his bones......just means that i can understand why LB wants toololl......that being said everytimme he comes on tv i have to wipe the drool from her facelol
Welll Shawnee you might as well come watch Superbowl with us.....i will save you a seat inbetween me and LB.....
....LB has quite a few of those.......I dont like him, but i wouldnt throw him out of bed......Brady is ok looking but LBs favorite is Channing Tatum and Joe Manganiello from True Blood......if you dont know who that Joe dude is ....look him up.....i have to say that is a good looking dude.......now everyone i am a happily married heterosexual, but if dude is good looking he is good looking .......doesnt mean i want to jump his bones......just means that i can understand why LB wants toololl......that being said everytimme he comes on tv i have to wipe the drool from her facelolWelll Shawnee you might as well come watch Superbowl with us.....i will save you a seat inbetween me and LB
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Oh trust me, I know who Joe is. I'd be drooling right alongside LB so you'd have to catch the slobber from both of us. Right now there is something about Keith Urban as well. He would not stand a chance if he walked in the room. Oh dear, don't get me going.
Yes, I assume that was an invite to the Superbowl, can't think of any couple I'd rather watch it with. I can cook up a storm and bring lots of game time treats and eats.
Oh trust me, I know who Joe is. I'd be drooling right alongside LB so you'd have to catch the slobber from both of us. Right now there is something about Keith Urban as well. He would not stand a chance if he walked in the room. Oh dear, don't get me going.
Yes, I assume that was an invite to the Superbowl, can't think of any couple I'd rather watch it with. I can cook up a storm and bring lots of game time treats and eats.
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Best Superbowl Ever....who was playing again?lol......lemme see here......two beautiful women on either side of me.....and treats and eats.......Damn right you are invitedlol.......wow....Dirty's imagination runs wild
Best Superbowl Ever
....who was playing again?lol......lemme see here......two beautiful women on either side of me.....and treats and eats.......Damn right you are invitedlol.......wow....Dirty's imagination runs wild- Thread starter
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Its been a good day if i can make someone laughlol.....i know i crack myself up all the time, but that is not a hard taskllol
Its been a good day if i can make someone laugh
lol.....i know i crack myself up all the time, but that is not a hard taskllol