Move To Legalize Marijuana In California Sparks Fears About Drop In Prices

Im actually from the east bay those from cali know how greedy some not all growers are im living in tucson now i think the gov should have no say. they are flowers to be shared on the other hand everyone must get a taste. Dont mind me i smoked som kush
 
This law is misleading because without a recomendation from a doctor it`s only an infraction of the Health and Safey code punishable by fine for an oz.If the law passes it will be legal to have up to one oz.If you are 21 years old. The state will rake in more money off the taxes than the fines. Hell they aren`t stopping people from smoking it anyway! You will be unable to grow enough for your self and be forced to buy at despenceries because no one else will be selling it. The despenceries (who have been backing this law) will be making more money than ever! The only growers who will be growing this will be large corp. farms as they will be the only ones who can aford to invest to meet the guide lines and pay the fees involed in growing this crop.I won`t be voting for this in November! Now if the jack Herer bill gets up on the ballet I will vote for that one.it simply decriminalizes Marijuana.
 
You mean that it does not address the growing of cannabis but instead only the possession of it? <DISGRUNTLED SNORT>

I would hope that the growing of some reasonable amount (say enough to provide at least an ounce per month per adult? Something in line with the allowances for brewing one's own wine/beer.

I would still be strongly considering it as experience has taught me that it is easier to modify a controversial thing once it has been generally accepted than to actually reach the point of it being accepted in the first place.

But I will have to go back and take a closer look at this and other pieces of potential legislation.
 
An other problem with this law is all the regulations and controls.It won`t be legal to smoke unless your 21.Fair enough except you will be put in jail for smoking around minors.That includes people up to 20 years of age! Now just where are you going to be able to smoke MJ legal anyway? In your home is about it,and only if you have no children their!!! Ok you say let`s pass this law and make changes as we go? The whole thing needs to be changed! Much of the changes will come in the courts at tax payer`s expience! Why even pass this lame law in the first place? All we need or want would be to decriminalize or take all the bad laws away like it used to be!
 
GanjaAL2 said:
Yes sir... corporate america will win! We will buy our weed at pennies on the dollar while the corporate world will get rich off of it. That is the ultimate goal.
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I could be wrong, but your saying to let large corporations take total control over it as long as we get to buy it for pennies. While that sounds nice and all, as soon as the large corporations, bankers.. and the people that make the major descriptions in the US.... as soon as the have grip of it, they will control the market of it completely. They sell it for pennies... then pass laws that require people to get permits to grow or sell and place all kinds of limitations on it and no one will really care because its being sold for so cheap... so why grow it when you can just go buy it for a lot less from one of these big corporation. Then once it hits that point, if the large corporation want to jack up the price.. they can.. and they'll get away with it... and while we can no longer grow because of the regulations that were set forth on it.

All Im saying is that once its in the hands of these bankers... the ones really running the country..... there going to fu**ck us with it. Look at prescription medications. They have there hands dipped so far into that. Look how bad alcohol is... how many people it kills every year... but some how it stays legal. Look at cigarettes.... everyone knows those kill you, but there still legal. The point is... the people that run this country are all about money. Making something legal that has so much profit potential... its going to get regulated in a way that strips it from the hands of you and I and only allows those big corps to handle it, leaving them in charge of where they want to set the price.
 
TorturedSoul said:
Considering the actual cost involved in cannabis production, I think that could be better rephrased as "dollars on the penny."

Anyone read about alcohol prohibition and how fast the "giants" stepped in as soon as it was lifted, almost like magic - or as if they had everything in place and ready to go the moment prohibition ended?

I have to wonder how many entities have done the same preparation in regards to cannabis. Not just individuals but the large corporate entities such as the giants in the alcohol, pharmaceutical, and petrochemical industry. The government may be hoping to glean some $$$ from the eventual legalization of cannabis - but I guarantee that more than one business already has everything planned out to do so.

Hey Rob, why don't you form a paper corporation and issue all of us each a single share. And about 500X more printed but un-issued that you can hold onto for sale when the day comes? That way we could all tell our grandchildren that we had a(n infinitesimal) part in it, lol.
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I totally agree with you. When it goes up for vote in November, (Last time I checked it was November).... Im sure those big entities will be ready to open up shop with all of the ducks in a row the day its passed.
 
honestone said:
It is illegal to profit from the sale of marijuana but that does not stop dispensaries from doing it. If you want pills you can get an insurance card or go to a pharmacy that offers $5 rx's. Prescription drugs cost less than marijuana. I don't blame the farmer I blame the dispensaries. I am asking all marijuana dispensaries to post a copy of their tax returns.
Grow your own and boycott dispensaries. You can get lower prices on marijuana from delivery services.
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It seems like people in here are trying to point a finger at one specific thing. When in fact, prices have to do with much more that just a greedy dispensary owner jacking up prices.

I opened a delivery service that will soon turn into a physical location, once one of these cities around here creates zoning regulations. Anyway... I didnt get to make up my own pricing. With anything... you have to first look at the average market value of what your selling and go from there. In my case, I took the average cost in my area and deducted 20% off of that price. Im not money hungry. I own another business that makes plenty, but I've always loved growing. If I can do what I love and make money from it...... I mean.... Isnt that what everyone wants? It doesnt have to be millions, but if it could at least pay me back for what I've put into it, then I'll be happy. And yeah.. Pablo selling weed out of his house can sell it to you for a hell of a lot cheaper that what an Dispensary/Collective or Co-op can sell it for. So instead of getting mad at them for having higher then street prices, look at the big picture. First... the location... there not using that building for free. There's rent that has to be paid on it. The amount usually depends on the location and the size. I've seen store front locations for as low as $600 a month and others that were all the way above $10K per month. So you look at cost there. Then you have bills, like electricity, phone, internet... you now have to pay a receptionist.. you have to pay bud tenders... you have to pay for licensing and the list goes on. On top of that, most dispensaries only grow a portion of what they sell, meaning the other portion has to be bought from other growers at whatever prices are agreed upon. So when Pablo buys a pound from his grower for $2K and sells it for $4K, that extra $2K is all profit for him. With a Dispensary... that $2K is gone with just one employee working for you... and thats not even taking into consideration all of the other cost.

Im not saying the dispensary owners dont make a decent chunk of change because Im sure a lot of them do, but dispensaries prices are going to be a little higher then street prices for the simple reason that they have bills to pay to run there company and to provide the weed. So I wouldnt point the finger at them so fast, saying its all there fault because by far... it is not.

The simplest solution to something like that is to just not buy from them. If you can get an 8th 30 miles away for $40 and about $10 worth of gas to get there, compared to $60 down the street from you... dont be lazy... just make the drive. Not only will you save $10, but you wont be giving that expensive dispensary your money or your business. If enough people did that instead of complaining about it, those dispensaries would be forced to drop there prices in order to stay in business. Its as simple as that. But those same people that are complaining about dispensary cost, are the same ones that continue to buy from them instead of taking a 45 minute drive to get it cheaper.
 
Also factor in a deffense fund. Lawyers are not cheap and the terrorist love the soft targets.

LE= terrorist

Def. of Terrorist: a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon.
 
I'm not from Cali and I haven't read the bill,yet, so I can't say anything about it. I think legalization will come with a sacrifice, but we have to make sure we don't give up more than it's worth. In my opinion a reasonable tax is all we should have to sacrifice but unfortunately it seems that it may cost us more. (I guess freedom really isn't free) The future of cannabis in this country is in California's hands and all you can do is get educated about this bill and spread the word. I see alot of negativity about this here and would like to know if it's speculation or solid reasoning gathered from the wording of the bill. Does anyone have a link to the bill? I think this bill should be posted on every cannabis forum so it can be discussed and the voters can come to the correct conclusion. Legalization will be a huge step,let's just be careful not to make it a step backwards. :goodluck: Cali! :peace:
 
Thanks sisco, that's the kind of info I was hoping to see!
 
GanjaAL2 said:
Also factor in a deffense fund. Lawyers are not cheap and the terrorist love the soft targets.

LE= terrorist

Def. of Terrorist: a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon.
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Thanks Ganja.... I almost forgot about the lawyer fees. Some of these medical marijuana lawyers charge a good $500 per hour. And thats just to talk to them at there office. Imagine how much it would cost to get them in court to defend your collective/Co-Op or Dispensary.

Opening a legit place like a dispensary is not cheap. At all.
 
Here's the first paragraph.... Lol. It blows my mind of who they are going to put in charge of regulating it.....

AB 2254, as introduced, Ammiano. Marijuana Control, Regulation,
and Education Act.
Existing state law provides that every person who possesses, sells,
transports, or cultivates marijuana, concentrated cannabis, or derivatives
of marijuana, except as authorized by law, is guilty of one or more
crimes.
This bill would remove marijuana and its derivatives from existing
statutes defining and regulating controlled substances. It would instead
provide for regulation by the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control
of the possession, sale, cultivation, and other conduct relating to marijuana and its derivatives, not including medical marijuana, by
persons 21 years of age and older, for specified purposes. It would set
up a wholesale and retail marijuana sales regulation program to be
administered and enforced by the department, that imposes special fees
to fund drug abuse prevention programs, as specified, to commence
after regulations concerning the program have been issued by the
department. It would ban local and state assistance in enforcing
inconsistent federal and other laws relating to marijuana, and would
provide specified infraction penalties for violations of these new
marijuana laws and regulations, as specified. The bill would make
existing prohibitions against the smoking of tobacco products in
specified areas, including public offices and restaurants, applicable to
the smoking of marijuana products. It would make other conforming
changes.
 
Well first off... now look who's being STUPID!!!

If the growers would get their act together, they could realize BILLIONS of dollars in new industry instead of being so fucking worried about their 'drop in prices'...

YOU WANT CANNABIS LEGAL? Well stop and think about this:

The growers are using approximately 10% (or less!) of the entire Cannabis plant, and how many plants do they grow per run? So maybe out of every TON grown, they use maybe, maybe 10% of the plant,.. and the rest goes to ???

IF they would form a collective, or a Co-op of growers and turn the by-product over to production of fiber, chemical agents such as the resins that are not useable for medical purposes but really good for making resin materials or soaps etc., and all the other constituents of the plant that are not used to GET HIGH,.. THEN the $$$ (dollars!!!) would make sense to lawmakers.

When you show them (the lawmakers and the citizenry) that people who grow as well as use Cannabis aren't just a bunch of 'pot-head' flakes, and can create a viable industry GOOD FOR ALL THE CITIZENS... THEN! and only then will we see this nation turn its attention to seriously legalizing Cannabis. ONLY THEN.

The growers of Humboldt County are NOT thinking clearly! Nor are they acting in a way that says they care for anything other than GETTING HIGH and MAKING MONEY... and that to me is BULLSHIT!

So I hope they get all that Karma has to offer them if they don't get their head out of their ASS and start thinking in terms of reality.

I am 58 and I have been using Cannabis since I was 14... and if I would have had a way to LEGALLY do it, I could have made a mint with my ideas gleaned from research and papers I have read by scientists...

So if I am just this little one person (a dummy) and these folks have been established for sooooo long and have the money and the means... WHY in the hell is it ONLY about the HIGH???

I WANNA KNOW! Cause it is looking like outright idiocy and GREED for them to be screaming about 'prices'!!!

And that my friends is my two cents on the matter.:reading420magazine::hmmmm:
 
Yes there are now products being made from just the roots and stems, one is called Hemp Eze, no THC and has even been returned to its owner after passing a drug screen in Australia.

So yes there are many valuable uses for the unused portions of meds, but while cultivation is still "illegal" on the Federal level one will not see growers out themselves to "Help" the planet and the people.

And remember Cannabis seed oil is one of the most valuable by products of the Cannabis-Hemp plants. Which can be used as a lubricant, lighting oil, within paints and varnishes and etc. This is the market that will prove to be the most valuable even over the Fiber side.
 
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