Magnus8's Coco Coir Big Bud & Pineapple Express, First Grow Ever! Grow Journal

Re: Magnus8's - Coco Coir - Big Bud & Pineapple Express - First Grow Ever! - Grow Jou

PPM is parts per million or EC (Electrical Conductivity), they measure how many dissolved solids are in your water/nutrient solution.

Plants can only handle a certain amount of "PPM" without receiving too much of a specific mineral or element, which will cause problems like nute burn.

You don't want many PPMs in your water because your plants aren't looking for those minerals/elements. You want to feed them your nutrients specifically tailored to growing. So when you start with a water that's 1000ppm, you're already over what your plants should be getting at this point in their growth cycle. It will tell you on the bottles or feed chart was the ppm range should be in all stages of growth. If you have 1000ppm in your water and you're only supposed to feed let's say 600ppm, you're already screwed.

That's why when you buy a ton of different products like A+B, beneficial bacterias, root enyzmes, bloom boosters, bloom finishers. They say to watch your ppm levels because you can easily overshoot. Adding all those items you would need to figure out proper dosage of each nutrient.

This is why starting with RO water is best as it's basically a blank slate. Just like coco is to soil.

Hope this helps.


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kushnoj27 said:
PPM is parts per million or EC (Electrical Conductivity), they measure how many dissolved solids are in your water/nutrient solution.

Plants can only handle a certain amount of "PPM" without receiving too much of a specific mineral or element, which will cause problems like nute burn.

You don't want many PPMs in your water because your plants aren't looking for those minerals/elements. You want to feed them your nutrients specifically tailored to growing. So when you start with a water that's 1000ppm, you're already over what your plants should be getting at this point in their growth cycle. It will tell you on the bottles or feed chart was the ppm range should be in all stages of growth. If you have 1000ppm in your water and you're only supposed to feed let's say 600ppm, you're already screwed.

That's why when you buy a ton of different products like A+B, beneficial bacterias, root enyzmes, bloom boosters, bloom finishers. They say to watch your ppm levels because you can easily overshoot. Adding all those items you would need to figure out proper dosage of each nutrient.

This is why starting with RO water is best as it's basically a blank slate. Just like coco is to soil.

Hope this helps.


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Thanks Kush. That's a great explanation. Covered everything and more than I asked for.
 
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hey bud, sucks hearing about your water quality issues. any way you could swing getting an RO filter for the house? i see you can get some between 100-200 US dollars and they hook up to under the sink. might not be a bad investment if you can swing it, to save you the headache of going to town for RO water and such. i've never used one of those particular units but they claim to put out 50-100 gallon per day. might take you some time to get the water you want, at ~2 gal. per hour. it looks like some units come with a storage tank though so you could fill empty jugs every few hours and store them for later. Eventually that filter will start saving you money if you trip to town is far.
 
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p.s. thanks for the pics. plants are alive and green. that's always good. i had some sort of "burn" like that when my P.Ex were real young. they got over it real quick though. kind of fun figuring everything out as you go, much to be said about the experience you gain by fuckin shit up.
 
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realdougen said:
hey bud, sucks hearing about your water quality issues. any way you could swing getting an RO filter for the house? i see you can get some between 100-200 US dollars and they hook up to under the sink. might not be a bad investment if you can swing it, to save you the headache of going to town for RO water and such. i've never used one of those particular units but they claim to put out 50-100 gallon per day. might take you some time to get the water you want, at ~2 gal. per hour. it looks like some units come with a storage tank though so you could fill empty jugs every few hours and store them for later. Eventually that filter will start saving you money if you trip to town is far.
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This sounds like a great idea at first, but some local knowledge helps me determine whether this would work for me.

First of all, everyone out here says that the water from wells in this area is so poor quality that it simply can't be filtered clean by any commercially available system, even those big ones that are suspended from the walls. Apparently they work for a short while but soon parts break down and the filter is shot long before its time. That's what I've been told about trying to filter this water. I remember as a child my father having the same problem when we lived not far from here.
 
Re: Magnus8's - Coco Coir - Big Bud & Pineapple Express - First Grow Ever! - Grow Jou

Okay! Pictorial update!

This first pic is of my Big Bud, the one that got nuts burned badly. I'm still picking of dead or dying leaves from that incident. Anyway, without further adieu, I present my Big Bud...

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Now this my damaged little girl, a Big Bud who got light damage early on. She's doing really well though and almost caught up to the others, as you can now see...

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This here's one of my Pineapple Express. They're both doing fine, really well, actually. So, here's the pics...

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And here's the PEwhich is doing best of all...

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So there you have them, doing better than ever before.

Okay, time for bed.
 
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How far is your net from the top of the soil now? You want about 8 inches clearance and that's it for a true scrog.

I would recommend maybe tidying up some of the bottom leaves and branches. Looks like you are able to start tucking. it's safe to defoliate some of the under brush. Whatever you know won't reach the canopy.

No point in wasting energy growing below the scrog, you want to make sure all the energy is going to where the light his the leaves.

anybody wanna chime in on this? I did this during my last grow when I used a net trellis and did this a couple times in veg. Then once you have your canopy filled and ready to flower, it's time to defoliate again about a week before you switch to 12/12 and get rid of all the underbrush.


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kushnoj27 said:
How far is your net from the top of the soil now? You want about 8 inches clearance and that's it for a true scrog.

I would recommend maybe tidying up some of the bottom leaves and branches. Looks like you are able to start tucking. it's safe to defoliate some of the under brush. Whatever you know won't reach the canopy.

No point in wasting energy growing below the scrog, you want to make sure all the energy is going to where the light his the leaves.

anybody wanna chime in on this? I did this during my last grow when I used a net trellis and did this a couple times in veg. Then once you have your canopy filled and ready to flower, it's time to defoliate again about a week before you switch to 12/12 and get rid of all the underbrush.


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Very sound advice kushnoj27.
 
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kushnoj27 said:
How far is your net from the top of the soil now? You want about 8 inches clearance and that's it for a true scrog.

I would recommend maybe tidying up some of the bottom leaves and branches. Looks like you are able to start tucking. it's safe to defoliate some of the under brush. Whatever you know won't reach the canopy.

No point in wasting energy growing below the scrog, you want to make sure all the energy is going to where the light his the leaves.

anybody wanna chime in on this? I did this during my last grow when I used a net trellis and did this a couple times in veg. Then once you have your canopy filled and ready to flower, it's time to defoliate again about a week before you switch to 12/12 and get rid of all the underbrush.


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I got one of them done tonight. Two others will have to wait until tomorrow because they're at the back of the tent and it requires me to unzip the whole front and side of the tent, a much bigger feat than would otherwise would have been imagined. So. Tomorrow it is. And the last one is a bit too small for clipping its leaves.
 
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I've got more pics to show you. My babies are doing really well. They are doing so well that they are even driving up towards that trellis line with full force!

Here's the pics to prove it to you.

This first is of a Big Bud, my nute damaged one. Hence the brown marks on her leaves.

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This second is also of a Big Bud, my other damaged one this time from light burn.

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This next is of a Pineapple Express, not damaged at all.

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This next is of my last Pineapple Express.

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This last pic is of my ladies with their legs shaved... Just the leaves removed from below the trellis.

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So there you have it. My babies as they stand tonight.
 
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Very nice! Definitely picking up speed now. Make sure to keep tucking those tops in all directions to fill that canopy and keep it even. I think a couple more weeks and you should be good to flower. They will stretch for a good 2-3 weeks so you don't need to fill the canopy completely before starting to flower. sooooooooon you will get to the good stuff!


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rideouts said:
Man Magnus your plants are just ah moving on and upwards. They look incredible

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Thanks Rideouts,

Yes, they're doing so much better, aren't they? I"m really happy with their progress now. They were doing so poorly. This ppm thing and the over feeding thing -- fixing all that seemed to help so much. Kudos go out to Kush and Scrogdawg for alerting me to those dangers which was holding my babies back before. I'm so pleased with them now I cannot even say. They all seem to be doing so much better. Some better than others but overall really good.

Thanks for looking, Rideout. I appreciate it.
 
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kushnoj27 said:
Very nice! Definitely picking up speed now. Make sure to keep tucking those tops in all directions to fill that canopy and keep it even. I think a couple more weeks and you should be good to flower. They will stretch for a good 2-3 weeks so you don't need to fill the canopy completely before starting to flower. sooooooooon you will get to the good stuff!


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Thanks, Kush! Yes, they're doing much better now, aren't they? I have you and Scrogdawg to thank for the help with them. They're doing so much better after catching the overfeeding and ppm problem, I cannot believe them. And I'm making sure to tuck them, appropriately. They are hard to tuck, the little buggers. Those stalks are strong! I had no idea they were so strong. But its coming along nicely, as you can see from the pics. And the canopy is filling up. I'd say its more than halfway full by now. I've heard that it should be 75% full when you switch into flower. Not much further to go, I imagine! Wow. Now this is getting exciting. My own first flower coming right up! I don't think I'm going to get much Big Bud this time round. But I"ve got some sweet seeds to grow for my next go round. I"m quite excited. I'm quite set up for seeds for the next couple of grows. I'm trying out new strains for myself, and you can only buy them in threes or fives and they always seems to give out a free seed or two. So I've got a bunch of seeds, more than I could handle in my setup, for at least two grows, probably three. And I've got some Big Bud and some Pineapple Express left, too, if I like them.

So there you have it.
 
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I definitely need to order some seeds I have been procrastinating ! I can't wait to start another round. But you're getting super close to flower which I am also very excited about. all this effort you have put in a soon you will see those buds!

Make sure you keep tucking those tops everyday or they will get out of hand and trust me you do not want all that effort you put in to go to waste once the flower stretch hits.


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kushnoj27 said:
I definitely need to order some seeds I have been procrastinating ! I can't wait to start another round. But you're getting super close to flower which I am also very excited about. all this effort you have put in a soon you will see those buds!

Make sure you keep tucking those tops everyday or they will get out of hand and trust me you do not want all that effort you put in to go to waste once the flower stretch hits.


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Thanks Kush, i'll be sure to do that.
 
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Well, movin' on up. To the east side...

Well, we're moving on up at least.

I just now dropped 4 seeds into water to germinate them for planting outside this spring! I've never tried to grow marijuana outside before and mind you, I haven't tried growing indoor until this grow... But I've never tried to grow outdoors, so here goes.

I'm planting:

1 NL Mazar (who knows what this is, it's listed as a Northern Lights Mazar, I suppose its a NL crossing with something. Supposed to be good, according to the gyo website.

1 Critical Mass: Yes, we all know and love this one.

1 Ice Bomb: Website also calls this the best cross since sliced bread was crossed with peanut butter. Not in so many words, mind you.

1 AK-47: And yes, we all know and love this one, too.

So I've picked some good choices, hopefully for my region, anyway. The NL Mazar is autoflowering, so that should be interesting to watch develop. It was a freebie from the seed company, so what the hell. I'm not going to waste my nutrients and all that time growing something that I don't like and that doesn't help, but I'll grow this outside no problem. We'll see what happens with it, eh? And I've got some others in reserve for my indoor grow happening this summer, too. Should make for a bountiful fall. With my prescription I'm allowed 4 outdoor plants while growing another 15 plants and I can have 32 ounces approximately of weed in reserve for myself. I want to be building up my reserve. I'm allowed 32 ounces at a time, so I'd like to build that amount in reserve up. And if that takes a few grows, then so be it. But if I can make up that reserve in less time by growing outdoors... I live on a farm. It's legal for me to grow. I'll have to get past the landlady, but I don't think that'll be that difficult. And hell, I live on a farm. Where things are grown. All the time. I'm sure weed could survive out here.

So I've been reading up on growing outside v. growing inside and there's quite a few differences in how its done. The basics are the same, but you don't have to constantly feed them nutrients, you don't have to top them and supercrop them (though you CAN do this, it isn't necessary like it almost is with an indoor grow). There's a lot of differences, really. Anyway, I"m looking forward to learning all I can, like I've been learning about how to grow indoors, about growing outdoors so that I can have a super successful summer grow. Hell, I can grow up to 8 plants... Legally... Maybe I'll talk to the wife-bot about growing 4 more. I know that if I"m growing indoors I'm allowed to have an extra 900 g (32 ounces) in reserve. But if I"m growing outdoors, then I'm allowed to have up to 3000 g in reserve. That's a lot of weed. I suppose it is supposed to last you between summer grows and autumn harvests. And they figure that 8 plants grown outside during the summer would suffice to give 3000+ grams in order to have enough for the year to last?

3000 grams in storage works out to having in reserve almost 9 ounces at a time in reserve. They must mean that you can have this amount in reserve in case your harvest one year is the pits, then you've still got enough to last you through til the next year. But could you get 107 ounces from 8 plants grown outside during one summer? Could you get a yield that high? Mind you, I'm living in some of the richest farmland in the world here in this part of Alberta, so the soil is second to none and all.

Hey, does anyone have a particular site that talks about outdoor growing in depth? Could I actually harvest 107 ounces from 8 plants grown in this region of the world? I need to find out what size pot I'd need for outdoor growing. And it looks like I'll need 8 pots now that I've just dropped another 4 seeds into water. I now have 8 seeds germinating. 3 more Critical Mass and 1 more Ice Bomb, which I'm dying to try. Everything they say about it is right up my alley.

Okay, gotta get more info. Time to leave y'all for other more high-brow places. I guess it's my fault if this is a low-brow joint. But I like it that way.

Okay.
Enuf said.
 
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Magnus8 said:
With my prescription I'm allowed 4 outdoor plants while growing another 15 plants and I can have 32 ounces approximately of weed in reserve for myself. I want to be building up my reserve. I'm allowed 32 ounces at a time, so I'd like to build that amount in reserve up. And if that takes a few grows, then so be it. But if I can make up that reserve in less time by growing outdoors... I live on a farm. It's legal for me to grow. I'll have to get past the landlady, but I don't think that'll be that difficult.
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Magnus, be careful on the legality of growing issue. ACMPR permits currently have a 3-4 month waiting period. How did you get yours so quick? Another thing, for it to be a legal grow with Health Canada you have to submit along with the ACMPR application, written and signed permission from the onwer of the dwelling/property that you intend to grow on. Your prescription does not allow you to grow your own medicine, and 19 plants growing with 32 oz. dry in possession would be a huge train wreck if you were caught. Just a heads up.
 
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Scrogdawg said:
Magnus, be careful on the legality of growing issue. ACMPR permits currently have a 3-4 month waiting period. How did you get yours so quick? Another thing, for it to be a legal grow with Health Canada you have to submit along with the ACMPR application, written and signed permission from the onwer of the dwelling/property that you intend to grow on. Your prescription does not allow you to grow your own medicine, and 19 plants growing with 32 oz. dry in possession would be a huge train wreck if you were caught. Just a heads up.
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Thanks, Scrogdawg,

I'm aware of the legality issue. I don't have my growing licence yet, but I've already applied over a month ago. I expect the permissions to come in within 2 months, about the time I would be transplanting outside. And if it's late its no real loss. I can just take the seedlings I've started and continue to grow inside. I don't expect any issues with my permissions as I have no record at all in my past, never been arrested for anything at all. Hell, I've never even had a speeding ticket! I'm squeaky clean, so to speak. So I don't expect any issues to come in with my growing licence.

I wasn't aware of needing the permission of the landlord to grow outside on the property. I had thought that, if I'm renting the property (and its not close to schools, etc) then I'd have no problem. I do remember reading something about needing the landlord's permission to grow when you rent a property, but if my memory serves me correctly that is when you are planning to grow on a site that you don't also inhabit. In other words, when you live in a property, I believed (until today) that you had the right to grow on that property. I live on a fucking farm, for chrissakes. There's no more private place than where I live. But I'll check into that. I had thought that the permission from the landlord was for growing in a property where you don't also live. Like, you rent one plot of land and want to grow there, but you need the landlord's permission. I'll go back tonight to the regulations and double check it. I could probably get my landlady's permission with a bit of schmoozing with her. I have to take her my rent tomorrow so I'll feel around and see what I can gleen from a simple conversation with her. She's 92 years old but sharp as a tack.

I'm aware that having my 32 ounces of weed plus 19 plants would be disastrous if I get caught without the licence. I'm not that stupid to do something like that. But I AM allowed to have 32 ounces of weed in reserve if I'm growing exclusively indoors. And I could have up to 20 plants growing and still have the 32 ounces of weed in storage. That is my right with my prescription. So far, I've only applied to grow indoors, so my outdoor attempt at growing may not pan out this year yet. But that doesn't change my right as a patient -- to grow enough weed to have up to 32 ounces in reserve. Nothing changes that, not fear of discovery nor fear of what the neighbours might say. Whatever happens, I've already applied for my indoor growing license which allows me to have up to 20 plants at a time and up to 32 ounces in reserve. If I choose to change my license to one where I'm allowed to grow outdoors exclusively, then I can harbour up to 107 ounces in reserve. I just think that if I can grow my weed that I'd need for the year outside in the garden it would be a helluva lot simpler than growing indoors and dealing with scrogs and breaking branches and topping and fimming and all that other shit. Not that I mind doing it. I enjoy my time with my plants, too. But if there's a simpler way to do it, then I'd like to do it that way.
 
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