Magnus8's Canna Cream, Body Butter & Canna Lotion Study Hall

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InTheShed said:
You will find some polite disagreement on lotions vs oils vs butter for pain relief. Magnus' feeling (which I have found to be accurate) is that any solidifiers (beeswax, soy wax, shea butter, etc.) have the ultimate effect of lowering the absorption of cannabinoids into the skin. It makes logical sense to me, and I have found that my oil/beeswax salve provides less pain relief (and stains clothes more readily) than the straight oil which is quickly absorbed.

So I use just infused oil for pain. I use the salve for other things where I want a layer of something to stay on the skin, like for dry patches or welts.
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Evening, Shed.

I put some of my Hash Plant oil in a roller bottle and used it over and over again on the train this weekend when the A/C was blasting on me and my left knee was achy. I was also popping CB Dutch Treat capsules like candy but the A/C was relentless on my knee when asking the steward (?) about it and not getting a remedy, I had to go dig in my backpack for my fleece and my socks to wear until arrival I was so cold. So what I wanted to say was that on the way home, I packed my Hash Plant cream in my seat bag and used it once on my knee and it was fine for the rest of the trip. So, I'm not sure why but that's my input to this conversation.

Howdy, derby!
 
HashGirl said:
Evening, Shed.

I put some of my Hash Plant oil in a roller bottle and used it over and over again on the train this weekend when the A/C was blasting on me and my left knee was achy. I was also popping CB Dutch Treat capsules like candy but the A/C was relentless on my knee when asking the steward (?) about it and not getting a remedy, I had to go dig in my backpack for my fleece and my socks to wear until arrival I was so cold. So what I wanted to say was that on the way home, I packed my Hash Plant cream in my seat bag and used it once on my knee and it was fine for the rest of the trip. So, I'm not sure why but that's my input to this conversation.

Howdy, derby!
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Heya HashGirl...long time no see! Maybe the cream created an insulating barrier between your skin and the cold of the A/C. Also it might provide a constant infusion of THC into the nerves (though based on how I see it, at a lower concentration :)). I didn't mean to suggest that there was no place in the arsenal for the lotions and creams. I just find that the oil works fastest and is less likely to stain my shirts.

I have three different combos on my desk at work...oil, oil with beeswax in a jar (what I call my salve), and a huge chapstick tube with a mix of a lot more beeswax. Each serves a different purpose!
 
InTheShed said:
You will find some polite disagreement on lotions vs oils vs butter for pain relief. Magnus' feeling (which I have found to be accurate) is that any solidifiers (beeswax, soy wax, shea butter, etc.) have the ultimate effect of lowering the absorption of cannabinoids into the skin. It makes logical sense to me, and I have found that my oil/beeswax salve provides less pain relief (and stains clothes more readily) than the straight oil which is quickly absorbed.

So I use just infused oil for pain. I use the salve for other things where I want a layer of something to stay on the skin, like for dry patches or welts.
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cheers shed,, your post echoes some issues i am having with the cream/oils at the moment

:thanks:

the beeswax cream, regardless if the beeswax inhibits cannabinoid penetration or not, the wax residue makes a mess everywhere,, for me, who uses this for my hands,, it literally gets everywhere

major issue right there

so infused oil,, penetrates better,, but,, alas,, :( still gets residue everywhere.

i use this oil on my hands several times a day and simply do not have time to wait for it all to be absorbed

so,, my solution, up to this point has been a cannabis tincture,, with vodka,, tho my last one was jack daniels,, haha

now,, i know most use tinctures for gettin high, i think,, but i have been trying them for pain relief,, just like oils or creams

however,, tho the tinctures work,, very well in fact,, the alcohol dissipates and evaporates very quicky,, which is exactly the trait i have been looking for

however,, i have been searching for a way to add a bit of infused oil into the tincture,, to give the concoction a bit of staying power, if ya know what i mean,, just a bit of oil in there to soften me hands and last a bit longer on my hands

but i can not figure how to do it,, the tincture simply will not accept the grapeseed oil, as that is what my oil mixture is

MMy thinking was that alcohol absorbs the oil in cannabis,, so alcohol will also absorb grapeseed oil,, but no, it does not

CCurious what ideas are out there and in here

Cannabis for pain control,, you betcha
 
InTheShed said:
You will find some polite disagreement on lotions vs oils vs butter for pain relief. Magnus' feeling (which I have found to be accurate) is that any solidifiers (beeswax, soy wax, shea butter, etc.) have the ultimate effect of lowering the absorption of cannabinoids into the skin. It makes logical sense to me, and I have found that my oil/beeswax salve provides less pain relief (and stains clothes more readily) than the straight oil which is quickly absorbed.

So I use just infused oil for pain. I use the salve for other things where I want a layer of something to stay on the skin, like for dry patches or welts.
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cheers shed,, your post echoes some issues i am having with the cream/oils at the moment

:thanks:

the beeswax cream, regardless if the beeswax inhibits cannabinoid penetration or not, the wax residue makes a mess everywhere,, for me, who uses this for my hands,, it literally gets everywhere

major issue right there

so infused oil,, penetrates better,, but,, alas,, :( still gets residue everywhere.

i use this oil on my hands several times a day and simply do not have time to wait for it all to be absorbed

so,, my solution, up to this point has been a cannabis tincture,, with vodka,, tho my last one was jack daniels,, haha

now,, i know most use tinctures for gettin high, i think,, but i have been trying them for pain relief,, just like oils or creams

however,, tho the tinctures work,, very well in fact,, the alcohol dissipates and evaporates very quicky,, which is exactly the trait i have been looking for

however,, i have been searching for a way to add a bit of infused oil into the tincture,, to give the concoction a bit of staying power, if ya know what i mean,, just a bit of oil in there to soften me hands and last a bit longer on my hands

but i can not figure how to do it,, the tincture simply will not accept the grapeseed oil, as that is what my oil mixture is

MMy thinking was that alcohol absorbs the oil in cannabis,, so alcohol will also absorb grapeseed oil,, but no, it does not

CCurious what ideas are out there and in here

Cannabis for pain control,, you betch
 
Hmmmmm
 
nivek said:
Hmmmmm
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I remember watching a video about Mexican women who soak the cannabis in isopropyl alcohol and rub it on their joints for pain, so you have the same thing going on with Vodka! Of course isopropyl alcohol has a higher proof than vodka (and is cheaper than cheap vodka as well) so it might be even better in terms of melting the trichomes into the solution.

In terms of what oil might dissipate into the alcohol, I would just try a few different oils in vodka (don't waste the tincture for these experiments!) and shake well. You might find that no oil and alcohol will mix, and all you can do is shake really well before you apply it. Still, any oil is going to leave a residue.

Oh, another thought is whatever oil you do end up using, there's really no need to go with infused oil since the alcohol is already loaded with cannabinoids. Just add some regular oil to get to the consistency you are looking for.
 
nivek said:
cheers shed,, your post echoes some issues i am having with the cream/oils at the moment

:thanks:

the beeswax cream, regardless if the beeswax inhibits cannabinoid penetration or not, the wax residue makes a mess everywhere,, for me, who uses this for my hands,, it literally gets everywhere

major issue right there

so infused oil,, penetrates better,, but,, alas,, :( still gets residue everywhere.

i use this oil on my hands several times a day and simply do not have time to wait for it all to be absorbed

so,, my solution, up to this point has been a cannabis tincture,, with vodka,, tho my last one was jack daniels,, haha

now,, i know most use tinctures for gettin high, i think,, but i have been trying them for pain relief,, just like oils or creams

however,, tho the tinctures work,, very well in fact,, the alcohol dissipates and evaporates very quicky,, which is exactly the trait i have been looking for

however,, i have been searching for a way to add a bit of infused oil into the tincture,, to give the concoction a bit of staying power, if ya know what i mean,, just a bit of oil in there to soften me hands and last a bit longer on my hands

but i can not figure how to do it,, the tincture simply will not accept the grapeseed oil, as that is what my oil mixture is

MMy thinking was that alcohol absorbs the oil in cannabis,, so alcohol will also absorb grapeseed oil,, but no, it does not

CCurious what ideas are out there and in here

Cannabis for pain control,, you betch
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@nivek - I use my pain cream on my hands, too and since I type for a living, I needed something else so I bought some arthritis gloves from Amazon, which help with my cream but also works to keep my hands less achy and warmer.
 
InTheShed said:
I remember watching a video about Mexican women who soak the cannabis in isopropyl alcohol and rub it on their joints for pain, so you have the same thing going on with Vodka! Of course isopropyl alcohol has a higher proof than vodka (and is cheaper than cheap vodka as well) so it might be even better in terms of melting the trichomes into the solution.

In terms of what oil might dissipate into the alcohol, I would just try a few different oils in vodka (don't waste the tincture for these experiments!) and shake well. You might find that no oil and alcohol will mix, and all you can do is shake really well before you apply it. Still, any oil is going to leave a residue.

Oh, another thought is whatever oil you do end up using, there's really no need to go with infused oil since the alcohol is already loaded with cannabinoids. Just add some regular oil to get to the consistency you are looking for.
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sheesh i.t.s.,, like you are in me head or somethin

interesting about the iso alcohol, thx for mentioning it

i have some made now,, iso alc absorbs cannabis oil like crazy,, and maybe a bit of grapeseed too,, still under trials

but,, iso has a couple of major issues,, three even

one,, it is very flammable,, as you probably know,, big problem, and scares me

two,, dries the heck out of my hands,, and it dissipates even more quickly than vodka or jack daniels,, ha

three,, one can never use the stuff internally,, for a tooth ache for instance which this works quite well for,, and certainly not by accident

but as an external tincture only,, has possibilities,, but the combustibility scares me perhaps too much

i also share quite a bit of this stuff so i must think a bit beyond myself,, and my wife uses this as well

i figure, me, sixty odd, and very odd,, my hands are sore now,, they aint gettin better, so i will possibly be using this for ever,, for my forever

imagine the cost to buy this stuff on a continuous basis forever??

great topic of interest for me right now,, cheers

i am going to do as you suggested,, try some plain alcohol with different oils and see if i can find the magic ingredient.

even using tinctures lately my hands have dried out and ends of fingers are skin cracking,, has not done that since i started using cream then oil, year now maybe

a work in progress,, cheers friends

:volcano-smiley:
 
HashGirl said:
@nivek - I use my pain cream on my hands, too and since I type for a living, I needed something else so I bought some arthritis gloves from Amazon, which help with my cream but also works to keep my hands less achy and warmer.
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thanks hashgirl, for the input,, not a solution for me for sure,, but for some others, for sure

i wear mitties,, thinnish ones, for work every day,, and they were absorbing the bees wax to a ridiculous degree,, smell,, whew girl,, let me tell yas,, nice smell mind you,, i thot

cheers agin,, gonna check out your gloves,, thx
 
lazyfish said:
I don't think isopropyl alcohol is healthy to put on your skin. Ethanol is not so bad because our bodies can metabolize it without killing your liver!

I was thinking maybe glycerin might help thicken up an ethanol solution.

Wonderful thread. I just found it!!!

Cheers,
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Interesting point lazyfish. I hadn't considered how much iso might get absorbed. If you're just rubbing it into your knees you're probably safe (after all, most of us clean our hands with it after trimming!), but ethanol would be safer for more extensive contact or for those with kidney deficiencies. That would make Everclear 151 similar to 70% iso in strength. And 151 you can buy in California :).
 
friends,, if one reads the side of an iso alc bottle

should just take a pic, but,,

apply as required,, used as a solvent, antiseptic and as a basis for an iso alc rub. apply full strength to affected areas and rub in

and that is 99%

add a bit o cannabinoids and voila?? the perfect tincture

cept it is too flammable,, which trumps everything else

love the glycerin idea,, what i am doing now is mixing a bit of oil into the tincture and shaking when using,, the best solution so far

cheers
 
nivek said:
friends,, if one reads the side of an iso alc bottle

should just take a pic, but,,

apply as required,, used as a solvent, antiseptic and as a basis for an iso alc rub. apply full strength to affected areas and rub in

and that is 99%

add a bit o cannabinoids and voila?? the perfect tincture

cept it is too flammable,, which trumps everything else

love the glycerin idea,, what i am doing now is mixing a bit of oil into the tincture and shaking when using,, the best solution so far

cheers
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Wow. Cool. Learn sumthin' new everyday....

Foot in mouth.
 
On the alcohol subject... I have itchy scalp. I have been using coconut oil infused with cannabis and it stops the itching. But i can only use it at night and then I have to wash that oil out of my hair.
If I infused into alcohol, I could apply to my scalp and the alcohol should evaporate pretty fast and not leave oil in my hair.
Would the alcohol irritate my scalp?
 
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