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Let's see those flowers!
Nothing to write home about after just one week of flowering. Here's an OG in a GeoPot.
MadMike's Organic Medical Outdoor Grow
Nothing to write home about after just one week of flowering. Here's an OG in a GeoPot.
Looking great Mike, nice and healthy!
Hey Mike - Plants look big and healthy. I'm an outdoor grower as well. I have a Kalshnikova in the ground now that has always lacked that deep green color normally expected. No fear though - It's over 8' tall and beginning to flower nicely.
Are you checking pH? Might need a bit of adjustment there.
My suggestion is to not be too concerned with every bad leaf and blemish that comes along. Feed the soil what it needs. Your dried chicken manure is a great start. Just make sure its good and composted before adding it.
Fox Farm is good stuff. Your girls are ready for full strength. Maybe add a teaspoon of Epsom Salt, Lime and a couple ounces of Molasses all mixed in with a gallon or two of water. It certainly isn't going to hurt and will probably help.
I know deer can be a pest. I have 6' solid and 7.5' wire fence around my entire garden. Every night they walk back and forth trying to get in.
Best of luck with the grow. I'll be following along.
JASPL
Are you checking pH? Might need a bit of adjustment there.
My suggestion is to not be too concerned with every bad leaf and blemish that comes along. Feed the soil what it needs. Your dried chicken manure is a great start. Just make sure its good and composted before adding it.
Fox Farm is good stuff. Your girls are ready for full strength. Maybe add a teaspoon of Epsom Salt, Lime and a couple ounces of Molasses all mixed in with a gallon or two of water. It certainly isn't going to hurt and will probably help.
I know deer can be a pest. I have 6' solid and 7.5' wire fence around my entire garden. Every night they walk back and forth trying to get in.
Best of luck with the grow. I'll be following along.
JASPL
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Hey Mike - Plants look big and healthy. I'm an outdoor grower as well. I have a Kalshnikova in the ground now that has always lacked that deep green color normally expected. No fear though - It's over 8' tall and beginning to flower nicely.
Are you checking pH? Might need a bit of adjustment there.
My suggestion is to not be too concerned with every bad leaf and blemish that comes along. Feed the soil what it needs. Your dried chicken manure is a great start. Just make sure its good and composted before adding it.
Fox Farm is good stuff. Your girls are ready for full strength. Maybe add a teaspoon of Epsom Salt, Lime and a couple ounces of Molasses all mixed in with a gallon or two of water. It certainly isn't going to hurt and will probably help.
I know deer can be a pest. I have 6' solid and 7.5' wire fence around my entire garden. Every night they walk back and forth trying to get in.
Best of luck with the grow. I'll be following along.
JASPL
I used some Sierra Natural Science 604B organic flower for a foliar feed after the sun got off them this afternoon. It is N-.07%, P- .001%, K-.12%. There's humic acid and a little molasses in it as well. Thank you for the tips, JASPL. I likely cause some of my own concerns since I don't want to screw up my first attempt at large plants in the ground. The deer aren't causing problems due to the Liquid Fence I've been using near the plants. I like that stuff. I know deer like molasses, so I try not to use anything that might attract them. I even leave a bit of dry cob for them at the opposite end of the property to keep them away. I should probably purchase the device to test the soil PH. I concluded earlier this year that it wouldn't be necessary since I used such good quality soil and compost for my planting holes.
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I checked the PH with a friend's monitor today. It read 6.5
So your pH isn't a problem - good.
You say you've only been giving the FF nutes at 1/2 rate - why? Your plants are mature and growing well. They are working hard trying to make you bud. I say go ahead and give them a nice feeding. Let them have the full strength nutes. Think of a body builder trying to build muscle on 700 calories a day - it won't work.
I had a problem with my girls about a month or so back when they just didn't have that dark green foliage that I expected. I applied one full cup of dried blood which is 15-0-0. I sprinkled it around the drip line then scratched it in. Within one week there was a notable difference in improved color. The dried blood I used was made by Espoma. Any garden center will carry their products.
If you go to my journal you can see the difference.
Hope this helps.
JASPL
You say you've only been giving the FF nutes at 1/2 rate - why? Your plants are mature and growing well. They are working hard trying to make you bud. I say go ahead and give them a nice feeding. Let them have the full strength nutes. Think of a body builder trying to build muscle on 700 calories a day - it won't work.
I had a problem with my girls about a month or so back when they just didn't have that dark green foliage that I expected. I applied one full cup of dried blood which is 15-0-0. I sprinkled it around the drip line then scratched it in. Within one week there was a notable difference in improved color. The dried blood I used was made by Espoma. Any garden center will carry their products.
If you go to my journal you can see the difference.
Hope this helps.
JASPL
I would have to agree with JASPL. Feed them full strength. They are big girls with big appetites! PH is perfect!
Mix 1 teaspoon of molasses in your soil feed water. The sugars feed the good microbes in the ground, making your soil that much happier.
Mix 1 teaspoon of molasses in your soil feed water. The sugars feed the good microbes in the ground, making your soil that much happier.
I thought about one more thing while I was out tending my garden this morning. Those girls of yours are a bit big for foliar feeding. In my experience, foliar feeding is for seedlings that have nice, new, tender leaves with less than fully developed root systems. Those big girls of yours need to be fed via their roots. Take good care of your soil with good humus-building (compost, castings, etc) along with N-P-K supplement and you will end up with happy plants.
JASPL
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I used Big Bloom over the weekend at full strength with a tsp Epsom salt per gallon. I also have some Sierra Natural Science flowering formula that has molasses in it. I'll give that stuff a try next feeding.
I thought about one more thing while I was out tending my garden this morning. Those girls of yours are a bit big for foliar feeding. In my experience, foliar feeding is for seedlings that have nice, new, tender leaves with less than fully developed root systems. Those big girls of yours need to be fed via their roots. Take good care of your soil with good humus-building (compost, castings, etc) along with N-P-K supplement and you will end up with happy plants.
JASPL
The reason I foliar fed was because I read it is the quickest way to give the plant nutrients. It was a light foliar feed I did which hasn't made any difference. Two days after was my scheduled watering so I fed them too. I attribute the good PH to the good organic soil and compost I used from the beginning. The whole reason I went half strength on the nutes was because that's what others recommend. You see, this is my first grow without using containers. I've read that amateurs often water too much or overfeed. I didn't want to make that mistake and am learning along the way. I appreciate you and Heirloom's assistance. I'll keep you posted on the progress. BTW, I saw your Outdoor 2012 grow thread. Beautiful plants. I hope you have a bountiful harvest.
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I'm thinking of trying this product. It's called Iron-Tone and is supposed to prevent Iron Chlorosis (leaf yellowing): All Natural Organic Bulb Food for Organic Gardening
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Alright. No comments on Iron-Tone. I understand. Everyone's busy this time of year and so am I. I decided after talking to a local guy here about my situation, that I'd get some Fox Farms Tiger Bloom. Next feeding I will scratch in a quarter cup of Bat guano for each biggie, water with some Tiger Bloom, and give it a week or two to see results.
Sure, but don't fix it if it ain't broke. Also, I have been using TigerBloom and it is good stuff for budding!
I agree with Lee on the Iron-Tone. What's the likelihood of iron deficiency vs simple underfeeding?
See the section of this post that discusses iron deficiency and see if any of the usual causes apply to you.
Trouble Shooting with pics
I think you are on the right path with the bat guano.
JASPL
See the section of this post that discusses iron deficiency and see if any of the usual causes apply to you.
Trouble Shooting with pics
I think you are on the right path with the bat guano.
JASPL
Its tough to pinpoint some problems, but if they weren't flowering yet, then it looked like a nitrogen def. , but I would rather go with TigerBloom than the specialzed Iron-Chlorosis product.
IF it hasn't started flowering then load that bitch up with some 24-16-18 !
IF it hasn't started flowering then load that bitch up with some 24-16-18 !
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I agree with Lee on the Iron-Tone. What's the likelihood of iron deficiency vs simple underfeeding?
See the section of this post that discusses iron deficiency and see if any of the usual causes apply to you.
Trouble Shooting with pics
I think you are on the right path with the bat guano.
JASPL
Thanks JASPL. It's difficult to tell from the trouble shooting pics. A nutrient problem is likely. With the added trace minerals in Tiger Bloom, I'm hoping that will remedy the new shoots withering in some places and the yellowing. I appreciate your support, JASPL.
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Its tough to pinpoint some problems, but if they weren't flowering yet, then it looked like a nitrogen def. , but I would rather go with TigerBloom than the specialzed Iron-Chlorosis product.
IF it hasn't started flowering then load that bitch up with some 24-16-18 !
That's just it. They are my last plants coming into flower this past week. In the trouble shooting link JASPL posted, the section on Nutrient Problems caught my attention:
Symptoms localized at shoot growing points.
New shoots unopened; young leaves distorted; dead leaf tips; pale green plant copper deficiency
New shoots withered or dead; petiole or stem collapse; shoots stunted; green plant calcium deficiency
Young leaves pale green or yellow; rosetting or dead tip; die back; dark green plant boron deficiency
Do you use something like cal/mag? It takes a balanced diet. I just but the tecnaflora starter kits. has everything needed . Should be called growing for dummies. Tells you exactly what to put in. But i would also treat for bugs just in case. mine were looking sick about a month ago.Did not dawn on me till i saw the webs. for 30 dollars they deliver 1500 lady bugs to your door. and a lot of good sprays.organic is best. im ordering another set of lady bugs today later .2 day delivery,they are here friday.But sick plants may mean bugs. I like to treat everything lol. oh yea. any white spots? mold bad this year. vinager and water 1/10
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Leaf samples from some plants:
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Here are the GD plants which the leaf samples were removed from:
Here's another:
The OGR and Kush are doing well:
Here's another:
The OGR and Kush are doing well:
Generally looking great! Nice photography as well. As the plant is beginning to send its energy into producing sex cells, or pistils, it will undergo "apoptosis" which is cell programmed death, meaning, it is thermodynamically efficient for the plant to stop utilizing glucose at the lower portions of the plant. Naturally as it matures, the fan leaves toward the bottom will start dying off. This is most likely the case here since the canopy is still relatively lush (IMHO).
~RL
~RL