CCOiler
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I "like" every post I read. If it's really bad news I let them know that I'm not "like-ing" the bad news.
I'm feeling so bad for you Lem that I don't know what say.
Lem's 2015 Indoor/Outdoor/Anywhere It'll Grow Journal
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I "like" every post I read. If it's really bad news I let them know that I'm not "like-ing" the bad news.
I'm feeling so bad for you Lem that I don't know what say.
I "like" every post I read. If it's really bad news I let them know that I'm not "like-ing" the bad news.
I'm feeling so bad for you Lem that I don't know what say.
^^^^^Yeah, what he said. Bummer.
Llama
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bummer...and then we move on!
Llama
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Losing a grow is frustrating I do feel bad for you. Especially watching all the work....
Never experiencing those little bastard, all I know is what I read. Is there any way to prevent the moth from laying the eggs in the spring?
Never experiencing those little bastard, all I know is what I read. Is there any way to prevent the moth from laying the eggs in the spring?
I've led a sheltered life Grape Nuts is the only Post I've ever eaten.
This is a very good question. Is it possible to increase the Brix of the vegging plant to the level that it would be unattractive to the moth? As I write this I recall that Conradino is pulling worms out of his too. Cola Monster just posted his find in his largest colas.
Alternatively, is it possible to companion plant something that would repel the moths, or can a foliar be utilized that would offer protection?
I, for one, am unhappy with "it's something we all just deal with". I realize I don't grow outside but still.... The devastation we're witnessing in grow after grow is frustrating, to say the least. There must be some recourse beyond tweezers and pulling your hair out.
Is there anyone growing outdoors that we know of NOT having trouble with worms? Is there a strategy we're missing, or is this truly one of those cases where we have to accept that we're just puny humans with inflated ideas of our own importance?
Llama
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An outdoor grower in Southern Arizona is not having budworm problems, his crop is being shredded by grasshoppers...something he deals with every year! He tells me that they prefer some strains over others. That brings a question. Do the bud moths infest any particular strains predominantly over others, and are there any strains that they don't seem to bother?
So far, so good here (knock wood).
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Here's a real clear picture of how 1 worm went up one side of a Cola and just nibbled enough stem where it attaches to the stalk to make it die and fall off.:
Its really not as bad as it looked yesterday. I freaked out a little to much when I saw 3 worms per bud on the first plant I looked at yesterday morning. As it turned out that plant was the only one infested to that degree, but there are worms on every plant. I have killed more worms so far than I have in the past 5 years total. Radogast Post Toasties were the Post equivalent to Wheaties, so your off the hook. LOL Mr. Teddy, is it true that if your born in England and you don't know who Tom Baker is, they Banish you to Berlin. LOL Back to squaring stuff away. C-Ya
Deep sigh of relief, you crazy man! *SIGH* Tear 'em up TOAST!
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I only know 3 way to deal with worms - #1 - Spray insecticide on a timed Schedule and stop 3 weeks before harvest then wash your bud. - #2 - BUG HUNT, or #3 - Don't Grow. I Bug Hunt.
OK, 'cause I sure didn't want to see you go with that 3rd choice. You're way too much fun to play with to have you pack up and go home.
I like the way you freak out and then get the job done in the most efficient possible way. I mean that. It's kinda the way I do it, so it's refreshing to see someone else pull it off. LOL!
Conradino23
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They are all good questions, my plants are 15-19 Brix and I still have problems with borers. No problems with other pests though, which means these will suck on your buds no matter what. However I find less and less of them, and they maybe attacked two bigger colas in total. The rest are middle or lower colas, cause they have trouble going through thicker upper stem. The bigger the plant the less this problem will be felt I think. Also when you catch all the eggs they leave underneath the leaves you'll have less problems with larvae, but you have to inspect your plants often. The worst is when you have corn fields around like me cause they'll just swap from corn to cannabis, and until crops are gathered they will be breaking your balls. Spinosad supposedly works great as organic control against worms, and I'm gonna give it a try next year. It also depends on the year how big their population is, and on the variety of course. They usually prefer indicas or indica-dominant plants, but if they're plenty they'll attack anything. The only plant they left alone in my patch is a Mexican landrace sativa, so maybe there's something about it 
They are all good questions, my plants are 15-19 Brix and I still have problems with borers. No problems with other pests though, which means these will suck on your buds no matter what. However I find less and less of them, and they maybe attacked two bigger colas in total. The rest are middle or lower colas, cause they have trouble going through thicker upper stem. The bigger the plant the less this problem will be felt I think. Also when you catch all the eggs they leave underneath the leaves you'll have less problems with larvae, but you have to inspect your plants often. The worst is when you have corn fields around like me cause they'll just swap from corn to cannabis, and until crops are gathered they will be breaking your balls. Spinosad supposedly works great as organic control against worms, and I'm gonna give it a try next year. It also depends on the year how big their population is, and on the variety of course. They usually prefer indicas or indica-dominant plants, but if they're plenty they'll attack anything. The only plant they left alone in my patch is a Mexican landrace sativa, so maybe there's something about it
Major is the only one of the small field I keep track of who has yet to find worms (double knock on wood - Wait - ok I did that just for you Major). I attribute at least part of his success to his fine management of his grow which has resulted in some incredibly healthy, high Brix plants. So yes, Conradino, I think we can safely assume the higher Brix levels do afford a level of protection. We should all pay attention to that fact and start methodically applying techniques to elevate Brix. .
The rest of your observations were invaluable. This community garden approach pleases me to no end. Maybe someday we'll be able to conquer irritants like this.
Keep up the fight Conradino. You inspire the rest of us. TOAST, go get 'em mister. We know you're faster then some little grubs. Haul that harvest in. Such a shame we couldn't do a big party and help out. I can hear the music and see the falling bodies from the blitz of smoke. Ahhh.... What fun we could have had. Next time.
Llama
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Another interesting observation. Lem has not had an infestation this bad in the past 5 yr combined. I don't know what part of the country that you live in but I'm assuming Cali? Does this infestation coincide with the worst drought California has experienced in a thousand years or so?
Lem is in the high desert of Southern California ~35 degrees North, I believe. Rain is hard on butterflies and moths so drought may be part of the problem. Drought also means that there is less greenery in general for the high fliers to lay eggs on. More pests - less targets for their eggs. It would seem to make sense, Llama.
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Right on PeeJay, I don't know for sure but that's exactly what I was thinking. They have stopped all out side watering of Lawns and limited any other usage to odd and even street addresses and then cut that down to every third odd or even. No car washing period. So I think the water restrictions have made less vegetation for them to lay there eggs. So I think PJ hit it right on the head. I posted Bug Hunts in last years journal and I killed maybe 20. Its pretty startling when you go check your plants and the first one you look at has 3, 2in long fatties crawling on the main cola, it tends to make one PANIC. LOL One good thing the second you cut the stalk and hang the plants, they stop eating and abandon ship. I have the absolute best SLH plant I have ever seen and that sucker is staying in the ground until its done proper. I will check this plant hourly and fight to the DEATH. They aint getting this bitch. As it stands I have found 2 worms on it, and got them before any damage. The SLH is intact and gonna stay that way. Hey I remembered a some what funny story from the KEYS. So this mate named Joe Calura is walking across Whale Harbor bridge coming to work, when all of a sudden he climbs over the railing and jumps into the water. This is not some thing he does on a regular basis, so we new some thing was up. So me and Dave from the Yellow Fin hope in his back country flats boat and haul ass to where Joe jumped in the water. When we get there, there are these little shrink wraped packages floating every where. Dave drove and I grabbed 17 packs ranging from 2 to 5 lbs, before the masses showed up and hauled ass out of there. It turned out it was Jamaican commercial that had a lot of seeds. I went and got 50 2 1/2 gal plastic containers and started 50 seeds. Out of those seeds I got 14 females. Its like less then two weeks until harvest,( BTW no worms ) and I cut every leaf off the plants and set the pots along the walk way to my front door. 7 on each side. While Im out fishing, the Cops come to my house to pick up this chick named Tammy on a traffic warrant. When they enter my house they see drug paraphinalia sitting around and tear up my place look for what ever they could find and found nothing. Those ass holes left me a card on the door and on the back it just said NEXT TIME. LMAO Now these total morons have had 8 officers going in and out of my house for hours walking up and down my walk way lined with 4 ft tall plants and never new they were there. ROTFL So I get home and the only thing gone is Tammy, my bong and a roach clip. And then my charmed life continued. Later Back to the labor at hand. Toast
Cool story toast. Good luck in your worm war
+reps on yet another fine pair of reminscences
Lem's Story: A Charmed Life
Lem's Story: A Charmed Life