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re: LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W

I recently just went through a return and etc. True thing about the warranty and the company going Tits Up. I have a sound system in my car that sucks, and now the lifetime guarantee is toast cuz they are gone now...

Return policy's can be a gray area I think...depends on if the consumer ran the product over with their car and said its a piece of shit afterwards...obviously there are logical yes and no's behind a return policy, and its basic common sense.

What I expect from a company is a quick turnover rate, meaning a replacement unit is on it's way before you even ship the original back, or the unit comes back to you very fast after repair and inspection. As long as it is timely, and of no cost or hassle to the customer. Everything should be taken care of at the desk per say, on the product seller's top of the list.

That's my take.

A warranty is gray...as I said...and the company holds you at their mercy as well. They can refuse or accept the idea of replacement or repair at their own discretion.

-Go Green-
 
re: LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W

go green said:
There is a sweet spot MeanBean. I am not sure exactly what it is, but the unit does a good job at covering a 19x12.5 area, which the size of the unit itself. Not speaking for Cammie, but that would be my guess as to the sweet spot. Give or take.
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I'd say that's pretty darn close.

Andy Botwin said:
What do you irish, and others think about return policies? What do you consider to be a good policy?
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The customer part of me says one cycle to make sure it works. Return for full refund (less shipping) if not happy or doesn't live up to claims.

The owner part of me says people would take such advantage of that, that less than 7-8 weeks for full refund. Exchange or warranty after only.

Little tug-o-war i always have.
 
re: LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W

That's a reasonable comment in mind for a limited warranty such as if a manufacturer's defect is found.

I don't think anyone stays in business giving an unconditional warranty for that kind of time period.

Given how these lights are allegedly use (to grow Marijuana and such), to me, it makes sense to keep the warranty period short enough that the user couldn't go though a whole veg/bloom cycle then send them back.


DroJo said:
General rule is if a company has a warranty <1yr = they have no faith in their product or it is malfunction prone

1-3 years = good product, should last ya a while but extensive durability under everyday use havent been clinically proven.

5-10 years ... this company thinks and believes their product is the sh!t, and if one happens to trip up they have faith their second unit wont
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Andy Botwin said:
Not entirely sure what you were saying here, but I believe I get your point. I think with a product that is designed for a specific purpose, such as a light intended to grow a flowering plant usually taking 3 months, that 90 days just makes sense and anything less than that is suspicious.

Why offer less than 90 days? What is the benefit? These lights are not DVD players, you can't simply test them immediately and be satisfied. If a product works as claimed, their would be no need or desire for a consumer to abuse the return policy and make a return. In fact, if a product works as described then I imagine the customer would love to keep it, and the only case that requires a return is when it doesn't function as advertised.

irish, have you ever run into warranty or return policy issues?
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Sorry Andy, RoorRip, and didn't proof.

In a perfect world with honest people, that's how it would work. But what you'd get is people who take advantage. Let me give you the first example that comes to mind. I'll use Hydro's lights as an example cause I know them best. Let's say I normally could only afford a 63w ($250) or a 126w ($450), but now I can get a 100% money back guarantee. So instead I put 1 or 2 318w ($1099 each) on my credit card and make min payments for 90 days. I turn around and max the grow with them as quickly as possible. Best situation no, but desperate people ..... A week before harvest, and a week before the return policy expires, I call to return the light because I don't like it or whatever reason I give. I reputable dealer, would honor it whether they think you are full of shit or not. I now have 300% - 600% more bud with no light cost. Would honest people, who are serious about growing do this, no, but from an owners side I'll say this where you leave a hole, especially online or with less than legit things, people can and will find it and take advantage in ways that would surprise you. I've seen people do exponentially more for a whole lot less.
 
re: LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W

I can see a 30 day refund policy on products your unhappy with but I think you should offer at least 1-3 years warranty. Thats why I stopped looking at the company to begin with.

Sure a company that offers 1-10 years might go out of business before then and it may be a gray area but its more comforting then knowing a company wont fix equipment that breaks 31 days out. It just sounds like they are selling snake oil to me, or they have no confidence in their product/manufacturing.

If im not mistaken some forms of payment can reverse the charges for up to 6 months. I sell software via paypal and use them a lot and have had to chargeback for things in the past.
 
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WarBux79 said:
If im not mistaken some forms of payment can reverse the charges for up to 6 months. I sell software via paypal and use them a lot and have had to chargeback for things in the past.
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It's all specific. Different reasons on different payment methods (debit vs. credit, or Master, Visa AMEX or Disc) have different time periods for filing a chargeback. Some reasons have indefinite period, some only 30 - 90 days. I won't use my debit card anymore due to this, they have shorter times for the same reasons as credit cards. ie. if you have 90 days for something with credit you may only have 30-45 with debit.

Andy Botwin said:
I understand how the scam works...

But then the grower has no light to grow with any longer...not a great scam...lol...:grinjoint:

Basically situations like you describe do happen, but never frequently enough to sink a company, unless there are also many legitimate returns coming back due to poor performance.



You do make a valid point about the dishonesty of some people though.



Actually the whole reasoning behind chargeback policies were to protect buyers from corrupt and fraudulent companies with less than stellar business practices and policies.
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It's a great scam if I do it to 2 LED companies a year. IF I go through them all, I use my gf's name and do it all again. How many years do you think someone could pull that off for? Maybe I'm a little jaded from the industry and multiple scams I've seen people try.

Sink a company?, probably not, but if I know my light works why take the chance of having to deal with that BS? I could just as easily start slow, have others prove what I already know, that my product works, and build from there. To me that's a safer, more efficient and more profitable way of getting the same thing accomplished. If someone really has a legitimate issue, I can always make an exception. You know you can dig dirt out of your yard, put it in a fancy bottle and claim anything you want and someone will buy it. We may have to agree to disagree on this one ;)

Expect the best, Plan for the worst.
 
re: LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W

Andy Botwin said:
I understand how the scam works...

But then the grower has no light to grow with any longer...not a great scam...lol...:grinjoint:

Basically situations like you describe do happen, but never frequently enough to sink a company, unless there are also many legitimate returns coming back due to poor performance.
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There are enough scam artists out there to make it annoying and less profitable for the company, though. That's one reason a good company also has a restocking fee - to keep the trash out.

Don't forget that if a person did that and ended up with a couple lbs+ of good product, they could turn around, sell it, and wind up with enough $$$ to pay for a whole new lighting system with the works - as well as covering their mortgage and utility bills, for the next month or so. As well as the electric used to grow the product...all for 'free'.

If a 318W can really produce as much as 1000W HPS, doing that with a couple of units could be close to a five figure windfall. Think what 3 lbs+ will go for these days, especially in southern CA...

So yes, I believe it's a legitimate concern, if hopefully not widespread - and there should be procedures in place at any company to minimize this as much as possible. A thirty day return policy with a three year warranty period sounds about right to me.

-TL
 
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You guys are crazy with your scam talk. lol. Holy cow...It's like it has it's own thread now. :0)

Crazy, I never even would have thought of what you guys are talking about...that's crazy. lol

Irish, you have updates? Everything okay?

-go green-
 
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The Lurker said:
There are enough scam artists out there to make it annoying and less profitable for the company, though. That's one reason a good company also has a restocking fee - to keep the trash out.

Don't forget that if a person did that and ended up with a couple lbs+ of good product, they could turn around, sell it, and wind up with enough $$$ to pay for a whole new lighting system with the works - as well as covering their mortgage and utility bills, for the next month or so. As well as the electric used to grow the product...all for 'free'.

If a 318W can really produce as much as 1000W HPS, doing that with a couple of units could be close to a five figure windfall. Think what 3 lbs+ will go for these days, especially in southern CA...

-TL
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I know were kinda taking over the thread here but why southern CA? I would think good pot in CA would be pretty cheap. 3lbs of some good dope in a non medical state would be where its most valuable.
 
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go green said:
You guys are crazy with your scam talk. lol. Holy cow...It's like it has it's own thread now. :0)

Crazy, I never even would have thought of what you guys are talking about...that's crazy. lol

Irish, you have updates? Everything okay?

-go green-
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I run a business leasing software and its a legit concern that any company would have to take into consideration when selling something that people could use to make some money with then try and get a refund for it afterwards.
 
re: LED GROW TEST. 126W hydro grow led VS. 180W

guys dont worry about talking over the thread! my thread is your thread, i dont mind at all.

ok, my felling on a return is the company should allowe atleast 90 days. or i dont bother with that company! because leds arnt trusted yet and their is no way i am going to buy a light that i cant test its full potential. most compays only offer 30 days. that send a flag to my mind. then i ak myself why? are the selling $hity lights? by offering 30days i can now only veg with it or only flower not even half way. so what good is it to me? now i have to either find a HID light to veg with while i flower a little bit with led then get a HPS to finish the rest of flower. or visa versa. sound like alot of bull $hit to me, i mise well go with the HID in the first place witch i know will grow some dank. this is not baging on any company buy names. so dont get but hurt! its just how i feel

when i was looking into leds the main reason why i bought my Pro source light is because at the time they were the only leds company offering a 90 trail and i belive they still are the only ones. what did i have to lose? it said alot to me that this company would let me test out their light for 90days. i will never buy a light that only lets me use it for 30days unless it was givin to me for free to test.

anything under 3yrs i wouldnt touch, 3 year warrenty are coll with me because by the time the three years is up my light should have more then paid for its self on yeild and power bills. anything over 3 years just makes it easier for me to buy as long as the company has been around for a long time and is doing good sales.

i think alot of leds companys could make some great money buy offering 90 day trails. because then we dont have much to lose, and the company dosent either if their product is as good as they say it is.
i know if i had a bad ass light i wouldm offer enoff time to do a grow from start to finish, because i had faith in my product
 
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WarBux79 said:
This is a great journal and it has a lot of information on here that is very helpful. I must disagree with your comment on Cammie doing her company a disservice by posting all of that info. Because this is after all a journal to compare these LED's and find out which one is the champ and which one is the chump. Anyone seriously researching LEDs to purchase is looking for data and thats what she provided.

i agree she dose help out by pointing out the BS other companys claim and try to hid.

Irish

Have you noticed that the 180w stresses your plants at all if they are less then 6 inches from the tops of your plants? The reason I ask is because I have 2 of their 90w models and I think I have heat stress on the tops of my plants. I let them get about 5-6 inches from the tops and maybe I shouldnt have.

no i belive its not heat stress is just some thing that happens when you have their lights too close, are ur leaves folding like tacos? or rams horns? or u might get bleching. these are some of the things i have seen from my led grows in the past. try to keep the light at least 10" from the tops of ur girls, and see how that dose.

Before I ordered my LED's I did a lot of research and came across the Spectra brand LEDs. I was pretty impressed with the claims so I contacted them and started asking questions about their lights. They wouldnt tell me which LED's they use or the exact wavelengths of their LEDs which made them start to sound like a snake oil salesmen (aka most LED vendors)... when I asked about the warranty (30 days) I took them out of my favs and didnt bother to find out more. I couldn't see spending 2000 on lights that only comes with a 30 day warranty. If they are willing to give you a free light to test against other LED's then you must be talking to someone with some clout. I would suggest to them that they should warranty their work for at least a year. I might have purchased their lights instead. They were one of the first LED vendors I found and I hadn't realized how flaky most LED vendors were yet.
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when i talked to them on the phone he told me that their lights have a 3 year warranty, and a 90 day trial. i never looked on their web site to back that up because i didnt realy care since the light was for free.
 
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DroJo said:
im still stuck looking at that... omg its juicy, i wanna stick a knife thru my laptop screen
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bro you have to stop showing me that steak, i am real high right now and all it is doing is teasing me. looks so good its not even funny. i may have to run to the store now and get some meat and BBQ out in the 50F* temp out side next to the weber. dame now i am hungry.
 
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irish said:
i have returnd one light to pro source because my first light was a total flower led and i used it after 90 days and told him i didnt like it because i couldnt veg with it only flower. and they took it back no problem, so after seeing the good customer service i bought a 90w tri-ban from them then latter upgraded to the 180w from them. lol i have had alot of their lights.lol
great customer service their
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go green said:
You guys are crazy with your scam talk. lol. Holy cow...It's like it has it's own thread now. :0)

Crazy, I never even would have thought of what you guys are talking about...that's crazy. lol

Irish, you have updates? Everything okay?

-go green-
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up dates will be sat. i figure ill give it some time since you last seen them, then ill pull down the wall and take side x side pics agian.
but they look great nice and healthy green. oh and that molasses did cure the cal/mad def. from using filter watter thought u might like that one andy?
 
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pics will be here tomarrow, plants are getting tall. i must say the HGL plants are looking pretty good, the pro source isnt too far behind them on tallness but some reason the 126w has fatter stems and branches? i have pistals and the white hairs their just not all crazy bushing out yet. if somone could post their pics at 2 weeks into flower i would love to seen them.
 
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