Leaf colour question

Say no to SMOKE BOMB !!!

Just think about the chemical residue you are going to leave on your finest bud & what you might inhale afterwards THINK ABOUT IT !!!


Also Biobizz is an organic nutrient & completely no need to PH correct for soil growing... trust in organics :thumb:

It is pretty hard to get nutrient burn from organic nutrients as well & perhaps worst case nitrogen toxicity on a sensitive feeding lady.

Because the label says this amount for that week might not resemble the total truth as some strains are light feeders to heavy guzzling beauties others might be prone to Ca & Mg problems... Do Not Tar all with the same brush !


Apart from that for 5th week of flowering all seems pretty normal to me, shame about the bugs !
 
Say no to SMOKE BOMB !!!

Just think about the chemical residue you are going to leave on your finest bud & what you might inhale afterwards THINK ABOUT IT !!!


Also Biobizz is an organic nutrient & completely no need to PH correct for soil growing... trust in organics :thumb:

It is pretty hard to get nutrient burn from organic nutrients as well & perhaps worst case nitrogen toxicity on a sensitive feeding lady.

Because the label says this amount for that week might not resemble the total truth as some strains are light feeders to heavy guzzling beauties others might be prone to Ca & Mg problems... Do Not Tar all with the same brush !


Apart from that for 5th week of flowering all seems pretty normal to me, shame about the bugs !
My goodness your right, I feel so stupid now you mentioned it, I have done only the one smoke bomb so hopefully that hasn’t done to much to the buds that was advice from one stop grow shop here in the uk. Is it common practice for organic growers to not adjust the feeds Ph, I have always done it but if I don’t need to then that would make life a lot easier. Thanks for your advice.
 
My goodness your right, I feel so stupid now you mentioned it, I have done only the one smoke bomb so hopefully that hasn’t done to much to the buds that was advice from one stop grow shop here in the uk. Is it common practice for organic growers to not adjust the feeds Ph, I have always done it but if I don’t need to then that would make life a lot easier. Thanks for your advice.
The only reason we adjust pH is so that chelated synthetic nutes can be put into the pH range where they break free of their bonds and become available to the plants. Organic plants don't care about the pH as long as it is liveable, and neither does the soil or the microbes. If you are not using chelated nutes, you don't have to worry about pH.
 
Then I believe that is the problem. Nute burn is vastly mis-diagnosed and feared way too much. I suggest you go exactly with what your nutrient system suggests, treating that dosage as a known given. Then if you have troubles after adjusting to that, it is most likely from some other cause. Maybe you will find that what you thought was a burn was actually indicating an underfeeding.

Have you ever heard the saying about having too many cooks in the kitchen can ruin the broth? Consider the manufacturer's recommendations the advice from the main cook, and all the advice you get from reading and watching things on the internet as additional cooks giving you advice.

Clearly, looking at your leaves, you are not feeding this plant enough. Be a little bolder in your approach.
What about the nute pH Em ? He says he started feeding at 6.3 & moved up to 6.5. So he's missing the nutes that are taken up between 6.3 & 6.4.
 
Uhhhm..... you have to worry about pH. Follow the label as mentioned.

Plant looks fine to me.

Neem will leave a taste on flower - I will never use it except neem cake in my soil mix.

OP - look up "Senescence" - could and is likely the reason for your coloration on the leaves. Its perfectly normal and specially with 100% Indica strains.

If my plants dont turn colors by the end of the grow they are too happy.

So you have these 3 things going on with flowers and they are all completely normal and expected:

Senescence
Translocation
Abscission

These 3 all relate to leaf color and again completely normal and expected.

Your plants look good - I see a little yellowing going on down low - that's usually due to N deficit and that can happen for many reasons. Mostly related to pH and microbes but since you've been going light on the feed - could be a thing.

It's my understanding with organic fertilizers (I dont use them) is that they are NOT in soluble form meaning microbes/root exudate need to do some heavy lifting with the nutrients to make them soluble. This is where pH matters. Annuals use 40% of their photosynthetic output from the leaves to create root exudate. This root exudate does many things including changing the soil pH in the rhizosphere in order to attract different microbes that in turn break down specific nutrients the plants are looking for.

Thats the mechanism in play here.

So 40% of photosynthetic output from the leaves is fer sure going to impact life of the leaf (different that life of plant). You will see that as the fall colors start to show. That is signaling the beginning of the end of life for that leaf.

But again 5 weeks into flower I expect to see some fall colors starting to show - at least in my grow space. Also its a sign that everything is growing as it should.

Steady the course... there are plenty of organic pest control products that are ok to use on cannabis. IF you have a chemical read the label follow the label and check to see if its ok to use on cannabis. Several states in the USA have lists of herbicides/pesticides that are ok to use on organically grown cannabis. Do research before application.

GL with thrips - they pretty easy to get rid of but I don't know whats available in your country so I cant make a recommendation. I'd use Take Down from Monterrey here in the states. Usually 1x application is enough.
 
organic nutes... they are not chelated, so pH is not an issue.
This is the part I dont understand. I'm using organic nutrients and after they are mixed, I get a pH of 4. So, if I did not correct the pH, I would be pouring acidic fluids into my soil, over time it will make that soil acidic. So, Is it not advisable to iron out the variables and bring the pH back up to 6.3 anyway? it can only eliminate future problems, by making sure the soil stays in the happy zone.
I realise the organic nutrients are available to the roots at a lower/higher pH, but it must be beneficial to keep the pH above 6 and below 7.. Please educate me, as there is something I'm not grasping.:laugh:

Sorry to hijack your thread @static123 , I will move my questioning to my thread, if it becomes a debate..
 
This is the part I dont understand. I'm using organic nutrients and after they are mixed, I get a pH of 4. So, if I did not correct the Ph, I would be pouring acidic fluids into my soil, over time it will make that soil acidic. So, Is it not advisable to iron out the variables and bring the pH back up to 6.3 anyway.. it can only eliminate future problems, by making sure the soil stays in the happy zone.
I realise the organic nutrients are available to the roots at a lower/higher Ph, but it must be beneficial to keep the Ph above 6 and below 7.. please educate me, as there is something I'm not grasping.:laugh:

Sorry to hijack your thread @static123 , I will move my questioning to my thread, if it becomes a debate..
Hi Paul and thank you for asking this question.

First, lets define soil, if we can, and see if we can identify a happy place. The pH of the soil out of your backyard garden is going to be way different than that of a commercial "buffered" soil, designed with synthetic nutrient users in mind. Then look at the pH of coco-coir, happy anywhere from 5.5-6.8 pH. Then, look at a peat moss based soil, where the pH can easily be 3.8 - 4... do you see the difficulty in defining a happy zone? Where it is has a lot to do with the type of garden you are running.

Then, what happens when you have these low pH nutes in your system? The plant uses some of these nutes, and as it does so, the pH will begin to rise back toward the pH of the water... its not just nutes reacting against buffers, eventually wearing out the buffers so the base pH of the soil begins to drop. It actually would take quite a few waterings, way more than in the average 3 grows, to even begin to neutralize the buffers and make your soil more than 1 or 2 tenths of a point more acidic. If you were a wise gardener and added back some dolomite after each run to "sweeten" the soil, you would never deplete the buffers. I don't believe that watering a couple of times a week with acidic nutes is enough to dramatically "wreck" your soil... I submit that it would barely move the pH of the soil during the time of the grow.

Commercial buffered soil is usually adjusted to around 6.8 base pH... or at the high end of the soil suggested pH range. This suggestion is only for users of synthetic nutes that are chemically bonded with other nutes in a protective salt shell, so that they stay inert and not interact with each other in the bottle. When you put them in a water mix within their range of 6.2-6.8 pH, the salt bonds evaporate and the nutes become available to the plant. Commercial potting soil is designed so that you can water with the pH adjusted to the low end, or typically at 6.3 pH, and then the buffers and the nutes being used up will drift the pH of the wet soil toward the high end, toward that of the buffers and the neutrality of the water. This allows your soil system to drift through the entire range of 6.3 - 6.8, picking up the most nutes possible.

Organic nutrients are not made inert with chelation... they are available to the plant as soon as they are applied. PH is not a factor... the nutes do not need to be in any sort of pH range in order to work. Microbes don't care either, and nothing in this system requires that the base pH of your soil remains between 6 and 7. Until you turn your soil so base it resembles a salt flat, or so acidic it burns organic material, the pH of the medium really can't stop the organic feeding process. And again, factor in that as the nutes start getting used up, the acidic influence goes down and the pH starts to rise. The buffers in your soil also help neutralize out your system and before you know it, you are getting very close to the internal pH of the plant itself, 6.1 pH, without doing a thing. Bottom line, all the talk these days about soil pH has dramatically over amplified its influence in an organic grow. Now, if you are trying to run synthetic nutes in acidic soil, it could be challenging, same as trying a soil type grow in peat moss using artificial nutes... but it can be done. What you are doing by adjusting the pH isn't really harming anything, but it really isn't necessary to do so. Your happy zone is so wide it really isn't worth worrying about. If you can stick your hand in the liquid you are pouring on your plants without harm, all is good.
 
All my plants die because I use peat moss... wait no they dont. Peat pH can be buffered with sources of Calcium which we know if an important element for plant growth.

I use Fish bone meal
Oyster shell flour
Gypsum
Crustacean meal
Add in soil organic matter = compost (quality is key)

pH of my soil 6.7pH - 7pH - perrrfect


When soil organic matter breaks down the pH will rise before it begins to acidify. Best practice would be to be sure you have adequate amounts of SOM instead of worrying about the pH. Most quality soil that you can purchase has been pH buffered and adjusted to a proper measurement.

Plants have the ability to change the pH at the rhizosphere 2 pts which is a big swing.

As I mentioned earlier - soil pH below say 6.7pH is going to mobilize heavy metals and we dont want that for health reasons and why its tested for in cannabis.

It really gets down to a proper soil mix. Dont really matter if the pH is good if the soil mix is crap that's what you will grow.
 
getting back to basic's ; cause of leave dis-color
Heat issues too hot
excessive nutrrient use
discolorazion in late flower indicates use of all elements (nutrients) lack of
ph issues cold temps

leaf color presentation issues can come at any stage depending on your nutrient use or lack of - many times a good flush will correct issue )one musy take plants stage of developemt for treatment of and many times a simple fix
 
... have placed a Neem Organic Control Cube in there. I am concerned that this Neem Cube will effect the smell and taste has anyone had any experience with this ?
This is an interesting idea for an indoor gardening product. It sounds like an interesting way of controlling pests and other problems without having to mix up some Need Oil with water. I am curious as to how they get the Neem to dissipate into the air and land on the plant surfaces.

It seems that this "Neem Organic Control Cube" is available in the UK and not anywhere else. I can't find any info on it, what it does, how it is made, etc. Only found the promotional wording that is used by several on-line gardening and grow shops in the UK. They all have a photo of the container these Control Cubes come in but the photo is the front. The rest of any label discussing the product is not visible.
I have been looking on line for everything Thrips related and I cant seem to find out if they eat the buds ?
You might be using the wrong search words. I used the single "aphids" in a google search and the first suggested link was to the wiki page titled Aphid. More info in that article than most of us need to know and it does get technical.

Then I tried using "what do aphids eat" as the search words and one of the first articles is:
What Do Aphids Eat and How do They Affect Plants?
written by Samantha Burris and seems to have been published on-line October 13, 2020.

However, that article did not specifically answer your question so a bit more searching and reading. The aphids do not eat the leaves, stems, or roots like caterpillars and some other insects. They are kind of like mosquitos or basically "sap suckers". It seems that most aphids drill a tiny hole into the surface of the leaf, most often the underside surface, and using its mouth will suck sap from the cells inside the leaf. This weakens the leaf and eventually the plant. It would seem to me that if they damage enough of the leaves they will need to find healthier leaves and could end up in the buds. Once there I figure that they go after the sap in the sugar leaves. So, indirectly, they do eat the buds.

(There is a bird called a 'Sapsucker' and has nothing to do with the aphids that I know of.)
 
aphids are not thrips

aphids are exactly as stated above,, sap suckers,,

thrips,, see the marks on the leaves,, that is what thrips eat,, perhaps a bit of the bud leafage,, but they are not after your trichomes,, no worries
 
Mammonth "P" makes a "pest' product also and there is an other very good one - will get back to you with name - 1st time I heard of neem cubes - guess they have their place in pest control -good to know about them Aren't there other insects one canuse to rid plants of pest's ? (can remember them - at present)
 
I use Neem Cake in my soil mix. It's cheap enough. It helps with lots of stuff besides pest issues and wont leave any taste on the weed like neem oil. Yuk.

Neem cake at 1 cup per cubic foot (7.5gal) of soil.
 
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