Landrace Genetics 101

Ace has a few heirloom strains they use, but if you look through the details at the bottom you can see which those are.

I suppose you could consider Ace's offerings to be "worked landraces." Which doesn't make them unworthy, IMHO. And - if you don't mind spending a little coin - you might find their breeder's packs to be of interest, because you'll get something that's a lot more than just a greater number of "the same strain," so to speak (if that makes any sense). For example, here's part of the description of one of them, their regular (non-feminized) Malawi Breeder's Pack:

Ace Seeds said:
In Malawi Breeder's Pack, we offer you the best genetics available from this incredible sativa, considered by many as the strongest pure landrace sativa available in the market.

This breeding project started thanks to the contribution of a collaborator (Antonio, RIP), and developed by Dubi since 2007 until today.
We offer you our best 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation Malawi lines in standard format (female and male plants).

Description of the mother parental plants:

- Old Malawi Killer: It's the overpowering original killer Malawi mother that we have used to start all our breeding with Malawi. It's a vigorous sativa of medium height and strong branching, with very high resin production of huge size. Its effect is extremely powerful, dense and psychedelic, lasting more than 4 hours. It has a classic african taste: woody and oily. The yield is high when grown with long vegetative times and strong light intensity. It takes 11-13 weeks to fully mature, depending on the growing variables. This is the line that produces closer plants to the original Old Malawi Killer clone.

- New Malawi Killer (P3): Granddaughter of the old killer mother, competes with its grandmother in terms of resin production and potency. Like its 3rd generation sisters, the new Killer Malawi has a more tamed compact structure, with wider leaf and a shorter flowering time of 11-12 weeks. Yield and terpene profile are very similar to the old Malawi killer. This is the line where you can look for the most stable and tamed Malawis regarding structure, size and flowering time, keeping the extreme potency that made famous this strain.

- Purple Malawi (P2): This is the mother of our Violeta hybrid. It's a colorful rare pheno found in the first Malawi feminized release. It's more compact than the green Malawis, but still displaying an excellent branching, and accepts the Nitrogen better. It's an interesting pheno due to its shorter flowering time of 10-11 weeks, for having a unique balsamic/fruity terpene profile, for showing a better resistance against cold and mildew, and of course for its intense purple and reddish colors at maturation. It's not so strong like the best killer green Malawi parental plants, but without any doubt the effect is also very interesting, kinder and not so agressive. This is the line where you can look for the more colorful Malawis, with shorter flowering times and better adaptability to colder climates.

Malawi Breeders Pack Standard contains 3 standard lines (10 standard seeds/ per line) :

- Old Malawi Killer x 3rd generation Malawi males.

- New Malawi Killer x 3rd generation Malawi males.

- Purple Malawi (P2) x 3rd generation Malawi males.

Obviously, this isn't going to be the same thing you would might find if you headed out "into the wild" to hunt for a seeded Malawi plant. But what you will get is three different "workings," for you to grow, work, breed, and/or cross with other strains. And I consider that to be a huge step up from merely choosing a breeder's Malawi, ordering it, and then getting whatever it was that he/she created. After all, your idea of the perfect Malawi and someone else's idea of the perfect Malawi... might be two different things.
 
hi graytail I no you grew a y griega that was beautiful I thought I would show mine and maybe you could give me some insight of what to expect thanks man!

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Yours is looking great!

There's a little variation in phenos and it looks like yours is right in the middle. I'd expect a smooth manageable stretch - nice size! The leaves are pretty thin, so this might go long for you. Keep an eye on it and watch how it grows over the next couple months. I have a thin leaved pheno that'll easily go 14+ weeks if you want to carry it that long. You can take it earlier, of course. Should be ready in 12 weeks from flip.

Gorgeous habit on it! Nice job. :thumb:
 
Here are two Durban filling up nicely about 2 1/2 months veg to go.

And the transkei I've potted into a 100 fabric pots.

Wind had about 50 -60 km/h every day for about a week so plants are looking a little battered .

And some transkei testers one has been topped

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Here are two Durban filling up nicely about 2 1/2 months veg to go.

Nice, they actually look like sativas. Most of the Durban ("Durban?") I've seen pictures of looked like it was half indica. As has most of what I've smoked :( .

Congratulations on having them, lol. That doesn't look like the usual seedbank "version."
 
I don't know of anyone selling them as a landrace. There are some in crosses I've seen, but the breeders mostly seen to want to keep the straight landraces to themselves.

Tropics uses a line in Purple Satellite that he's been maintaining since' 79.
Got to try a bit of the Purple Satellite, thanks to the grower nonpareil @dynamo1. Really nice upper sativa buzz--right up my alley.

Could be the indian & not the bow, though. D1's a great grower!
 
Nice, they actually look like sativas. Most of the Durban ("Durban?") I've seen pictures of looked like it was half indica. As has most of what I've smoked :( .

Congratulations on having them, lol. That doesn't look like the usual seedbank "version."
Thanks TS. They are pure land race from 1950's and been kept pure since then. I have not come across any seedbank selling these or close to these.
most land races (African) sold these days is not landrace. They don't exist here anymore and anyone selling them and saying they are pure are most likely pulling the leg. Even some of the top seedbanks are taking chances. I'd say the chances of getting real untainted land race from a seedbank are slim to none. Unfortunately.
 
I read something several years ago about a breeder called Afropips that did African strains - but then I read not long after that, that the guy died in 2008. Talk about a day late and a dollar short :( .
 
Here are a couple of PCK fems. Worked enough that I wouldn't call it a landrace, but Ace and CBG have done a great job with this one. Still kept it open pollinated and even the fem seeds have multiple parents.

I believe Dubi said 2002 purple female reversed and pollinated 3 different moms if varying expressions - purple, green, pink? Something like that.

They had a bit of a rough time during transplant, but have recovered well. Should have vegged longer than they did, but I'm running these to find a mom and pollinate them with some stuff.
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I read something several years ago about a breeder called Afropips that did African strains - but then I read not long after that, that the guy died in 2008. Talk about a day late and a dollar short :( .
Yeah that was unlucky. All I'm going to Say is unless the lines were collected before 70's they all most likely contain foreign genetics. There are a shit ton of seedbanks that say their seeds were collected in the wild and are landraces. 99.% are just not being honest. Durban Poison, Malawi, transkei etc has not existed in its original form since the 70's or around there. It just has not. So the strain hunters and seedbanks(yes even the legit ones) collecting landraces are not collecting the real deal but mixed genetics that resemble the original.
I see people excited to grow landraces only to be disappointed in the end or believe they Have an origional. There is a minute chance they do.
Don't mind me....Just ranting away lol.
 
Here are two Durban filling up nicely about 2 1/2 months veg to go.

And the transkei I've potted into a 100 fabric pots.

Wind had about 50 -60 km/h every day for about a week so plants are looking a little battered .

And some transkei testers one has been topped

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2 1/2 months of veg left. Those things are going to get huge!
 
2 1/2 months of veg left. Those things are going to get huge!
Yeah hoping so. There is about 5 to 6 months veg in our season. From beginning Sept until end Jan / mid Feb. It's a long long game but I love growing big ass plants. Especially sativas which really have to be as old as possible before flowering in order to get that next level quality. The more mature the better. Harvest season April , May, June and sometimes july.
Then the breeding starts over winter..keep in me busy.
 
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