Landrace Genetics 101

Tissue culture will work for viable cells and seeds only. Yes they brought back a plant 32,000 yrs old, but from a frozen seed.

Everything else is sci-fi. Maybe one day it’ll be possible, but not now for sure.
 
conradino23 said:
I don't think it will be done, but you never know. What I think is gonna happen they'll use the most homozygous cultivars if they can get to the seeds and they'll use them as a cornerstone for F1 breeding, which is exactly the same thing everybody's been doing for a few decades, but now they'll be able to do it properly! And of course there's no doubt it'll be a very profitable endeavour.
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You obviously are intelligent, but I respectfully disagree on your analogy on done properly. I cannot see anything improper about the way I have been breeding my plants and developing my strains, some of which I have carried for 45 years.
I know that was not a statement towards any one directly, including me, but it still kind of hit a nerve.
Plant breeding is an art form. Though I have been on the more clinical side of the plant breeding process, through lab technique, on Amino acid based formulas I have developed in my own lab.
I am one of three people internationally to have, bred, raised seed invitro on formulas I developed, flowered the the progeny, registered my work, and six rare flowering plants of this grex registered were accepted by the Royal Horticultural Society of England, of a specific species, that I will not go into. HAHA
I am trying to keep a healthy open mind on the prospects of were this industry is going and the inherint beauti of handcrafted cannabis farming and breeding not only to safeguard my own interest of course, I assure you greed not being a factor on my side, hell I'm just trying to get by.
Their are things that just cannot be replaced or synthesized like Great cannabis growing in certain climatic conditions, the sweet spots, were the sun and the soils the air and the water and yes the genetics, just help create something very unique.
One example in my opinion is their is already a sameness of a lot of the cannabis from hot spots lets call them, like Dutch weed, US flooded market weed. And that's not to say there is not greats there either.
I just need to feel hope, in what could feel like a hopeless world. The way I am going to do that is look at all the potential positives, I look at the GMO food issue, but then I see more countries banning these, India leading the way by pushing out the terminator rice, and more and more countries following suite all the time banning GMO. I look at a market flooded with average beer and then I see a market expanding of great hand craft brew beers. And certainly the wine industry
shows us many examples. I say peacefully resist by not supporting the beast. This and other forums are great grass roots venues to pass on knowledge as in the past few pages have shown. Be selective on who you support, it's usually pretty obvious who the greedy ones are.
hold onto your strains, keep seed back ups, keep each other informed. I firmly believe cannabis takes on your energy as well as all the environmental energies it grew in, its up to us to keep it
kind.
 
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tropics said:
You obviously are intelligent, but I respectfully disagree on your analogy on done properly. I cannot see anything improper about the way I have been breeding my plants and developing my strains, some of which I have carried for 45 years.
I know that was not a statement towards any one directly, including me, but it still kind of hit a nerve.
Plant breeding is an art form. Though I have been on the more clinical side of the plant breeding process, through lab technique, on Amino acid based formulas I have developed in my own lab.
I am one of three people internationally to have, bred, raised seed invitro on formulas I developed, flowered the the progeny, registered my work, and six rare flowering plants of this grex registered were accepted by the Royal Horticultural Society of England, of a specific species, that I will not go into. HAHA
I am trying to keep a healthy open mind on the prospects of were this industry is going and the inherint beauti of handcrafted cannabis farming and breeding not only to safeguard my own interest of course, I assure you greed not being a factor on my side, hell I'm just trying to get by.
Their are things that just cannot be replaced or synthesized like Great cannabis growing in certain climatic conditions, the sweet spots, were the sun and the soils the air and the water and yes the genetics, just help create something very unique.
One example in my opinion is their is already a sameness of a lot of the cannabis from hot spots lets call them, like Dutch weed, US flooded market weed. And that's not to say there is not greats there either.
I just need to feel hope, in what could feel like a hopeless world. The way I am going to do that is look at all the potential positives, I look at the GMO food issue, but then I see more countries banning these, India leading the way by pushing out the terminator rice, and more and more countries following suite all the time banning GMO. I look at a market flooded with average beer and then I see a market expanding of great hand craft brew beers. And certainly the wine industry
shows us many examples. I say peacefully resist by not supporting the beast. This and other forums are great grass roots venues to pass on knowledge as in the past few pages have shown. Be selective on who you support, it's usually pretty obvious who the greedy ones are.
hold onto your strains, keep seed back ups, keep each other informed. I firmly believe cannabis takes on your energy as well as all the environmental energies it grew in, its up to us to keep it
kind.
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No it wasn’t intended to offend anyone here. It was more to emphasise what Phylos wants to bring to the table imo. But we all know how unreliable modern cannabis lines are. Shit they can’t be really called strains for the most part as almost any line out there contains multiple genotypes... but this is just one of many side effects of prohibition that pushed breeding into deep underground.

It’s good to know you’re a professional horticulturalist, cause let’s not kid ourselves that there are many like you with their hands in breeding the plant... and that’s been my main concern.

I certainly don’t have anything against people making seeds on their own. Shit I support that with both hands. But I’m also fed up with commercial market, which has been run by amateurs for too long and as a result we get mediocre seeds to put it diplomatically, nothing that can be compared to other crops... but you know that very well too.

Now as far as GMO is concerned it’s dated tech at this point and as you pointed out transgenic stock has been refuted by more and more countries.

It’ll be replaced by CRISPR, which is pretty exciting, but with off-target changes it brings we need another few years to get it under control and as many authorities in genetics have said it needs to be treated with extreme caution before we put it in the hands of biotech companies... but it’s very cheap, so it’ll be used sooner or later.

I support traditional breeding though, which can be extremely efficient if supported by looking for the right markers and full genome mapping. I don’t think we have to look very far to be honest. We just need to stabilise desired traits and get them into hands of dedicated growers.

And that’s what I think will be crucial for this new market. Farmers who can understand epigenetics, terroir and soil science, cause all this biotech has no purpose if someone doesn’t grow these seeds to their full potential!
 
I take some solace in believing that the future of the cannabis market doesn't lie in flowers. I think it has to go to extracts. Marketing flowers is impractical.

So that market will probably be left to boutique growers. We'll grow our pretty flowers and smoke 'em up, like a buncha crude old farts.
 
Don't like traditional breeding or breeders that have helped get the plant where it is today. Are we talking about one plant or one strain or all plants and strains? So everybody fucked up or just the breeders you support, the seeds you've been giving planted and disappointed with.. no advance due to the underground? lmfao.. it's our fault (underground growers and seed buyers) as much if not more than any breeder who was working with their limited supply of strains and seed. They each only one person trying to do best they can, it's the fuckwits (us) supporting and using and expanding with the polydip add more flip hybrid junk,
 
Graytail said:
I take some solace in believing that the future of the cannabis market doesn't lie in flowers. I think it has to go to extracts. Marketing flowers is impractical.

So that market will probably be left to boutique growers. We'll grow our pretty flowers and smoke 'em up, like a buncha crude old farts.
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I totally agree with you! Everyone around here 30 years old and younger only want extracts. They look at you like your a alien when you say that you smoke flower. Lol
 
So I recently went out of town with a guy to do a job. On the way, he pulled out a vapor pen thing, some kind of extract, 86% or 88% THC (tiny numerals on the label). We passed it back and forth for a bit. Then I asked, "So what's in your bowl?" And we smoked some bud.

Then again, I'm not under 30 ;) .

The comment(s) above about US (as customers) bearing much of the responsibility for things is, I believe, spot-on. I gripe about WalMart and what it's doing to small local businesses. But WalMart is here to make money, not friends - and we, the people... are the ones who are giving them the money. What the company does... it's a profitable business model. If this was not the case, the company would either try something else or fold.

With that being said, a lot of what WalMart does is, not transparent, but at least much of the public is aware of it. There appears to be a lot of stuff that goes on in the cannabis industry that the general public is not aware of. Recent posts in this thread illustrate this, IMHO. Many have looked at ol' Sam the Skunkman as somewhat of a hero over the years... IDK.

When shopping, think about more than just convenience, or the obvious thing that your money gets you when you make the transaction. Spend your money wisely. . . .
 
Sam, hero? Oddly, Some do believe his word.. I don't believe much what he says. A lot contradicts. Like ohaze, was always a breeding line, not a smoke, now says best there is..
If you think any business that's federally illegal in most countries, is going to be as transparent as a business on the stock exchange, that we know drive down farmers prices for their own profit, use child labour and sweatshops. Happy hippies rainbows and unicorns wouldn't lead us towards sterial facility's, the banks and corporate greed, would they. Wouldn't grow a trichome in a tube or thc with yeast, would they?
Something I've wondered since losing all my seed and finding Seedbanks.. . Did they breed the psychedelic outta it, why it's now becoming accepted and legal around the world? Enough genetics around world, being grown next to peoples old stock, nothing for them to worry about bringing back, we make the hybrids using old mixed with new. They know we will pollinate the remaining strains of old seed still out there, trying to make the next best f1hybrid..
I don't believe it to be so, just me getting older and from smoking constantly have changed the experience, also the looking back at simpler times, lol or chasing the dragon. but I do wonder if what kids are getting today was the same effect that I also went through.. looking at some of the YouTube videos, they do seems to be having as much fun, laughing and fooling about..
 
GrizzWald said:
Sam, hero?
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The man has more fanboys than Apple :rolleyes: . Go visit one of the less civilized forums and post something about how you think it's just possible that he might not be the friend to cannabis that he has always proclaimed. But strap on your firesuit first, lol.
 
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