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Hairy plopper

Hairy plopper

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Im having some trouble with seedlings dropping about 24hrs after rising above the coco maybe an inch to inch and half. I've ordered 2 sets of seeds and the first 5 either didn't fully germ. They were a little rushed and would have been to wet through the whole process, plus I stored them at another address for 2 months. I took everything out flushed the pots let them air/dry out and was nice and fluffy then germ'ed 3 of the fresh 5 went well, 36hr. The seedling that fell over now from the fresh pack never did look healthy and the other 2 do however. Does any one have any advice...
 
1st photo is the first to germ, and first to fall over
2nd photo was 2nd to germ always lookd strong and sturdy but the shell is stuck on top of it
3rd was last to germ and I think is looking the best

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Hmm thays above my pay grade mate but if i was to have a guess without knowing any information I'd say a ph problem or heavy light burn but people need much more info to get to the bottom of things
 
Listersmeghead said:
I'm not a coco grower, but I know the coco growers talk of the coco needing to be buffered, some coco comes pre buffered others don't.
What coco are you using and do you know wether it's ph buffered.
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I think you should try paper towel method and then a solo cup.
If you start babies in a pot that size without experience you will have a lot of issues that can be easily bypassed. Do you know what im talking about?
 
I don’t think it’s a seed problem, storage at another place for 2 months is of no consequence. What’s your light wattage and spacing distance?

It looks too dry - coco is not the same as soil, it’s totally inert - there are zero nutrients for a seedling in coco so you must bottle feed weak nutes to her. Right now the only food those seedlings have are the 2 cotyledon leaves and those are merely backup energy for a day or two. Coco is drain to waste hydro so hydro rules apply, ph matters adjust from between 5.8 to 6.2, coco should not be allowed to totally dry out. Indirect air movement - fans moving air nearby help strengthen stems. Helmet heads can be softened with spray mist and then removed with a toothpick.

I‘m not a coco grower either but most feed quarter strength nutes so maybe go 1/8 strength for a seedling. Don’t be lazy & don’t guess but do the math to figure it out your dosage. Mix very small but fresh batches of nutes don’t let them sit around for days because nutes can bloom and grow bad bacteria, use syringe for accurate measurement.

20 mil per 128 ounces gallon
10 mil per 64 ounces half gallon
5 mil per 32 ounces quart......... in this example all are the same strength just smaller batches

thats all I’ve got bro, hope something sticks!
 
I think they look good except for the fact that they are dry. @013 got the right idea. Not sure what light distance you have but I'd look at that. I just ran Kaslashnikov last year, and am running it currently in my journal. She is an aggressive one so keep that in mind.
I don't grow in coco so I don't know that much about it.
 
Momma’s Kitchen said:
I think they look good except for the fact that they are dry. @013 got the right idea. Not sure what light distance you have but I'd look at that. I just ran Kaslashnikov last year, and am running it currently in my journal. She is an aggressive one so keep that in mind.
I don't grow in coco so I don't know that much about it.
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Light is 400w dimmed down to 200w and is about 20 inch in distance from the light
 
013 said:
I don’t think it’s a seed problem, storage at another place for 2 months is of no consequence. What’s your light wattage and spacing distance?

It looks too dry - coco is not the same as soil, it’s totally inert - there are zero nutrients for a seedling in coco so you must bottle feed weak nutes to her. Right now the only food those seedlings have are the 2 cotyledon leaves and those are merely backup energy for a day or two. Coco is drain to waste hydro so hydro rules apply, ph matters adjust from between 5.8 to 6.2, coco should not be allowed to totally dry out. Indirect air movement - fans moving air nearby help strengthen stems. Helmet heads can be softened with spray mist and then removed with a toothpick.

I‘m not a coco grower either but most feed quarter strength nutes so maybe go 1/8 strength for a seedling. Don’t be lazy & don’t guess but do the math to figure it out your dosage. Mix very small but fresh batches of nutes don’t let them sit around for days because nutes can bloom and grow bad bacteria, use syringe for accurate measurement.

20 mil per 128 ounces gallon
10 mil per 64 ounces half gallon
5 mil per 32 ounces quart......... in this example all are the same strength just smaller batches

thats all I’ve got bro, hope something sticks!
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Yes thankyou for the advice. I'm giving them less then a quarter of the recommended amount. The pots probably are ovee dry, im a little weary after I had them to wet my first attempt. Ill use a spray bottle to mist the tops each day. Ph is 5.9-6.1 and ppm is around 450. I'm only using a 25 litre res for feed that's kept at 25 degrees and aerated.
 
Hairy plopper said:
Yes thankyou for the advice. I'm giving them less then a quarter of the recommended amount. The pots probably are ovee dry, im a little weary after I had them to wet my first attempt. Ill use a spray bottle to mist the tops each day. Ph is 5.9-6.1 and ppm is around 450. I'm only using a 25 litre res for feed that's kept at 25 degrees and aerated.
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If the coco is not moist "all the time" it will adversely affect that baby, feel the top of the coco, if it feels crusty hard, spray it "GOOD" keep that coco moist at all times...that's why I switched back to soil...having to stay on top of that stuff was wearing me thin :thumb: :goodluck:
 
Reave said:
What you mean over dry? You can feed coco twice a day to runoff. It’s not like soil more like hydro.
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While there this younge would that be a good idea? I'm pretty sure I just had a dampening off issue but I think that is my own fault. I can't say for certain that this was the issue, im still relatively new. All I do know is I dont want any more falling over lol because of this I think I had been over cautious of the amount of water I was giving them, this run.
 
MochaBud said:
If the coco is not moist "all the time" it will adversely affect that baby, feel the top of the coco, if it feels crusty hard, spray it "GOOD" keep that coco moist at all times...that's why I switched back to soil...having to stay on top of that stuff was wearing me thin :thumb: :goodluck:
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Yes It does wear you down! Thanks to covid I lost my job so it's all I've got to do atm but thanks will def keep onto that and I'll upload some photos soon also
 
Reave said:
Not a coco grower but damping off is from being to wet all the time and a fungus that builds up because of this. I don't think that should be happening in coco. How to grow in Coco: Feed schedule Read this.
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Yeah they were pretty wet I got a little excited coming home after a trip away and drop the ball. Some of the seeds couldn't even germ and then once they did the didn't get about dirt and when they did, plop. But yeah pulled everything out flushed it and let it air out for a few days then germ'd freshly bought seeds but 1 has fallen over and it's not looking good the other 2 are however looking strong so finger crosses
 
Either they just dried out, or you have some sort of root disease going around.

Other than drying out completely, root rot is really about the only thing that makes them fall over. So it’s one of the two, IMO.

Usually root issues are associated with overwatering, which can also be aggravated by cool temps.
Coco is pretty much impossible to overwater but I usually go easy on the seedlings anyway out of habit.

I would look into getting some sort of beneficial bacteria product. There are lots of options out there. Z7 (aka Z9) is my favorite at the moment.
That will let you get away with a whole lot more. A plant can survive through a lot more hurdles if there is something helping keep the fungal issues at bay. You won’t regret having some bennies in the shelf in future, either way.
 
Weaselcracker said:
Either they just dried out, or you have some sort of root disease going around.

Other than drying out completely, root rot is really about the only thing that makes them fall over. So it’s one of the two, IMO.

Usually root issues are associated with overwatering, which can also be aggravated by cool temps.
Coco is pretty much impossible to overwater but I usually go easy on the seedlings anyway out of habit.

I would look into getting some sort of beneficial bacteria product. There are lots of options out there. Z7 (aka Z9) is my favorite at the moment.
That will let you get away with a whole lot more. A plant can survive through a lot more hurdles if there is something helping keep the fungal issues at bay. You won’t regret having some bennies in the shelf in future, either way.
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Thanks for the info, giving me alot to work with
 
Gotta admit I never use pure coco,it seems like a lot more work for a new grower to get to grasp .its why I stick to 50% soil 30%coco an 20 perlite
 
Im feeding them 1m/L hy-gen 2 part and hy-gen budlink the same brings my ppm to 450ish but thinking I'll try add/swap out bud link for hy-gen omegazyme. If it's too late for the seedlings now I'll soak and flush my coco or replace it and start over with the few seeds left.
 
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