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Doc Bud said:
Just saw this part about misting the soil. It is NOT a good idea. There's nothing to be gained by keeping the top of the soil moist, except perhaps a bit of moss.

Moisture is NOT required to keep the microbes happy.....you might have noticed that they arrive at your house dry? The plant keeps them happy, and if they need moisture between waterings, the plant provides it. Cannabis doesn't like wet feet. That's why we use a soil that drains really well.....
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The thing with all of this that has me confused is the RDWC and DWC systems. Those plants roots are just laying in the fluid. Yes the bubbles or water falls put some oxygen in the water. The growth of the plants that have unlimited water is crazy. ShiggityFlip was doing some cool stuff with the SIPS. We have good growth in the soil, but nothing like the hydro systems. I grow a organic veggy garden every year. For taste you can not beat soil grown food. I think our medicinal herb is no different. Just trying to put some of that explosive hydro growth into a soil grow.
 
JustMeds said:
For taste you can not beat soil grown food. I think our medicinal herb is no different.
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I have about 0 experience with growing in soil but your logic is sound, I'd agree with ya.
 
JustMeds said:
The thing with all of this that has me confused is the RDWC and DWC systems. Those plants roots are just laying in the fluid. Yes the bubbles or water falls put some oxygen in the water. The growth of the plants that have unlimited water is crazy. ShiggityFlip was doing some cool stuff with the SIPS. We have good growth in the soil, but nothing like the hydro systems. I grow a organic veggy garden every year. For taste you can not beat soil grown food. I think our medicinal herb is no different. Just trying to put some of that explosive hydro growth into a soil grow.
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The reason you have explosive growth in hydro is because the plants don't have to work at growing roots.

Soil doesn't work that way. Nutrient density does not occur in salts. We're going for quality.....period.
 
JustMeds said:
But I want quality and growth.... If I can't have both let me tell you how good what I got is.
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My yield is above average for soil. However, no soil grow is going to out perform hydro with regard to raw yield.

Why? Because hydro is faster....no need for a root system. You can pack the plants in tighter, since they don't need roots. The time from veg to harvest is also speeded up, because the plant doesn't need time to grow a root system.

I average 4 oz per plant without extended veg or training......not bad at all, but not quite as good as hydro.

But the quality of the product can't be compared. Moving forward in an ever changing market, a few things are clear:

1. people are demanding quality
2. people are soon to learn that their hydro buds are loaded with pesticides, fungicides and who knows what else.
3. Flavors in High Brix are simply not achievable in hydro.

Hydro has us beat in harvest time and overall yield, especially if we look at production per square foot. But no one is going to choose that hydro bud over one of mine.....not even close.
 
Doc Bud said:
My yield is above average for soil. However, no soil grow is going to out perform hydro with regard to raw yield.

Why? Because hydro is faster....no need for a root system. You can pack the plants in tighter, since they don't need roots. The time from veg to harvest is also speeded up, because the plant doesn't need time to grow a root system.

I average 4 oz per plant without extended veg or training......not bad at all, but not quite as good as hydro.

But the quality of the product can't be compared. Moving forward in an ever changing market, a few things are clear:

1. people are demanding quality
2. people are soon to learn that their hydro buds are loaded with pesticides, fungicides and who knows what else.
3. Flavors in High Brix are simply not achievable in hydro.

Hydro has us beat in harvest time and overall yield, especially if we look at production per square foot. But no one is going to choose that hydro bud over one of mine.....not even close.
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I am thinking about 6 oz from my Blue Dream wont be bad. And from the little sample I quick dried, the quality is there also. I am just experimenting trying to improve things. I have never been complacent in any thing.

One thing that has me totally baffled is the lack of a very strong smell from my flowers. I am not complaining as it makes it easier to come in the back door with out your eyes watering.... LOL
 
Doc Bud said:
My yield is above average for soil. However, no soil grow is going to out perform hydro with regard to raw yield.

Why? Because hydro is faster....no need for a root system. You can pack the plants in tighter, since they don't need roots. The time from veg to harvest is also speeded up, because the plant doesn't need time to grow a root system.

I average 4 oz per plant without extended veg or training......not bad at all, but not quite as good as hydro.

But the quality of the product can't be compared. Moving forward in an ever changing market, a few things are clear:

1. people are demanding quality
2. people are soon to learn that their hydro buds are loaded with pesticides, fungicides and who knows what else.
3. Flavors in High Brix are simply not achievable in hydro.

Hydro has us beat in harvest time and overall yield, especially if we look at production per square foot. But no one is going to choose that hydro bud over one of mine.....not even close.
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I’m not looking to debate, especially since I know little about growing in soil and I’m sure you’ve been challenged on and defended your assertions in the past.

But how do you objectively measure “quality” and “flavour”? And how is point 2 in any way relevant to a grower who controls what he or she introduces in their environment? Am I missing something, are you saying there are pesticides and fungicides in popular commercially available hydro nutes?
 
DobeWan said:
I’m not looking to debate, especially since I know little about growing in soil and I’m sure you’ve been challenged on and defended your assertions in the past.

But how do you objectively measure “quality” and “flavour”? And how is point 2 in any way relevant to a grower who controls what he or she introduces in their environment? Am I missing something, are you saying there are pesticides and fungicides in popular commercially available hydro nutes?
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Flavor is a personal thing, but generally speaking you can "measure" it by doing a terpene analysis. Many High Brix growers get terps above 2%.....regularly. That's nearly double what "normal" weed has and it's not strain related. Here's one from my website: Neiko's lab tests

As for pesticides, a recent study of a large, diverse sampling of dispensary bought cannabis in CA showed that 95% of it had "concerning" levels of pesticides etc. The vast majority of weed sold in dispensaries is grown in hydroponics, but the study didn't differentiate hydro from soil.....the point was that nearly all of it has pesticides and fungicides in it. It's quite tragic.

The nice thing is that if you use my gear properly you'll never need a single "nasty" pesticide in your garden.
 
JustMeds said:
I am thinking about 6 oz from my Blue Dream wont be bad. And from the little sample I quick dried, the quality is there also. I am just experimenting trying to improve things. I have never been complacent in any thing.

One thing that has me totally baffled is the lack of a very strong smell from my flowers. I am not complaining as it makes it easier to come in the back door with out your eyes watering.... LOL
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My garden doesn't stink either...but when you rub one and smell your fingers......now we're talking.

The main thing is how does it taste and smoke? Please let me know....

As for increasing flavors, you'll find that playing with drench timing and amounts makes all the difference. A bit of experience will do the trick.
 
Doc Bud said:
My garden doesn't stink either...but when you rub one and smell your fingers......now we're talking.

The main thing is how does it taste and smoke? Please let me know....

As for increasing flavors, you'll find that playing with drench timing and amounts makes all the difference. A bit of experience will do the trick.
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The smoke and taste of what I have sampled is great. Ya, timing of drenches is something I can play with for sure.
 
TheGreenYeti said:
Aroma is strain dependent from what I have seen. I have some strains that have minimal smell and then others that will make your nose hairs curl. I have noticed that most of it is not as aromatic as buds grown other ways but I often attributed that to how I dried/cured.
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You hit on what I noticed, but did not want to contaminate the waters by being the one to say it. I think environment plays a big part in the aromas released also.
 
I really should say I see more smell coming from other peoples grows. Even when I grew using other methods it was hit or miss what I was left with for smell. Again Some plants smell amazing and I lose it in the dry and cure. I grew out a show and tell from annunaki and it smells super potent. Its a pungent glue leaning smell and I am not a fan. I have grown out bubblegum in the past which smells great even after the cure but it is weird how it chnaged from bubblegum while growing to citrus and lemon after the dry!
 
I guess I am feeling somewhat left out. People talk of all these smells and how strong it is. If you don't stick your nose in the bud here you don't smell much. Then again I may have become accustom to the smell more. I am wondering if it is something I am doing that may be the cause.
 
Super Lemon Haze bud porn. Is the saw tooth sticking up because light is to close?

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JustMeds said:
I guess I am feeling somewhat left out. People talk of all these smells and how strong it is. If you don't stick your nose in the bud here you don't smell much.
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Your not alone. I've tried, but pine and citrus and shit is just to much of a stretch for me. None of it smells good or tastes good. It just gets me buzzed.
 
JustMeds said:
I guess I am feeling somewhat left out. People talk of all these smells and how strong it is. If you don't stick your nose in the bud here you don't smell much. Then again I may have become accustom to the smell more. I am wondering if it is something I am doing that may be the cause.
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I definitely go nose blind. Some strains I cannot smell at all if I open a jar, while others tell me it smells great. I am always confused because I cant smell anything other than a light floral scent. I think between nose blindness and strain that is where you are at. Find something with diesel in it and it may do what you want in the smell department. Dynasty's gear also tends to produce some strong smelling plants and bud.
 
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