Jon's New Pared Down Setup Soil Grow: 3 Photo & 1 Auto With New Dedicated Auto Rig

Morning Jon, and of course Molly! I'm wondering how your cloning attempt has turned out? I'd also like to talk to you about your lights, I don't think my plants like mine. I recall you talking about 10w led's being too focused or something and at the time I hoped you were wrong but I'm coming around. It's tough to be certain because they're still getting a lot of sunlight, but the leaves look a bit leathery and they just don't look happy under the led's like they used to with my old CMH bulbs. So frustrating. All I want to do is grow some happy plants. At least I seem to have solved the calmag issues that were tormenting me earlier.

I saw where the slurricane in living soil is only getting ph'd water and something else I'm not familiar with. Will you be adding calmag when she goes into flower? I've already decided all future soil grows will either use what you/re using or else organic ferts that I'll mix in when I'm prepping things. I really wish I'd done that this time. All this time and I still haven't found a reliable soil schedule for GH nutes.

Have a great day my friend.
 
Morning Jon, and of course Molly! I'm wondering how your cloning attempt has turned out? I'd also like to talk to you about your lights, I don't think my plants like mine. I recall you talking about 10w led's being too focused or something and at the time I hoped you were wrong but I'm coming around. It's tough to be certain because they're still getting a lot of sunlight, but the leaves look a bit leathery and they just don't look happy under the led's like they used to with my old CMH bulbs. So frustrating. All I want to do is grow some happy plants. At least I seem to have solved the calmag issues that were tormenting me earlier.

I saw where the slurricane in living soil is only getting ph'd water and something else I'm not familiar with. Will you be adding calmag when she goes into flower? I've already decided all future soil grows will either use what you/re using or else organic ferts that I'll mix in when I'm prepping things. I really wish I'd done that this time. All this time and I still haven't found a reliable soil schedule for GH nutes.

Have a great day my friend.
Hey BK909 - How you doing my man? Molly says hi too. So to your questions...

- The cloning attempt (which was by no means a real attempt, lol) went predictably nowhere. All three are history, experiment over. I know enough to know how to clone, that's easy to do with cuttings, I just don't have the stuff yet. Mostly because I don't have anywhere to grow a clone right now. When it's time I'll get the root cubes and the rooting solution and all that happy stuff. Just tossing them in water ain't gonna get it done.
- Happy to talk to you about my light but we can't here as it's unsponsored. Send me a private conversation message and I'll tell you whatever you want to know. Suggestion: enter the @ViparSpectra contest to win the light that's going on right now - that would be a GREAT light for you. It's super easy to enter. I did.
- The element you aren't familiar with is mono-silicic acid, or MSA. All the plants get it once a week. It's a concentrated silicon type thing that is 40% instead of what most people get at 1-8%. ONE DROP PER HALF GALLON OF CLEAN WATER is all you use. I give it to all the plants once a week with the post nute clean watering. It does several things for the plant, you can google it to learn more, but what I consider the most important is that is facilitates the plant getting immediate access to it's nutrients instead of delayed, and it greatly increases the water transferring capabilities of the plant. What it's done to Chunky has been astounding. It's part of why she drank three gallons of water this week alone! It also does things like increase resistance to pests and such, look it up.
- My soil mix has been 40% Fox Farms Ocean Forest, 40% Fox Farms Happy Frog, and 20% perlite #3. The Sohum living soil I used as is from the bag. Those are the mixes I'm using now, and the Sour Apple is also in Sohum. But before you go committing to using whatever I use, I would strongly suggest you check out some folks who know a TON more about this than me, like @Emilya, @Bill28, @Tokin Roll, @Virgin Ground, etc....Just check out some of the folks who comment on my stuff and ask them. They ALL know a lot more than me, and I know nothing of organics. Just so you know. I will say my FF soil blend has served me extremely well.

I hope some of that is useful!?

Peace!
 
Thank you Jon! I knew about your silica but didn't make the connection, thanks for clarifying that. I'm officially a dumbass, not that that's anything new. I've concluded that my monster Gold Leaf is not actually budding and is therefore not even an auto, but rather a photo as I originally thought. @Emilya you were right. That leaves me with the same problem you just faced, the real autos still have 3-4 weeks left but this Gold Leaf is already probably too big for me to flower. Not that that will stop me but I didn't train it or anything and my indoor frame will struggle with it. Hell my outdoor fence is only 4'. Not good. I'll have to supercrop it, I've done that before and it definitely works but I hate to do it. I can see that plant easily yielding 6oz, now I just have to not screw it up. Probably should give it a dose of veg nutes before I switch the lights but that's gotta happen soon. I've been feeding them all the mid bloom mix. I feel like a total newbie. Sheesh. I'll pm you about your light, take care.
 
Thank you Jon! I knew about your silica but didn't make the connection, thanks for clarifying that. I'm officially a dumbass, not that that's anything new. I've concluded that my monster Gold Leaf is not actually budding and is therefore not even an auto, but rather a photo as I originally thought. @Emilya you were right. That leaves me with the same problem you just faced, the real autos still have 3-4 weeks left but this Gold Leaf is already probably too big for me to flower. Not that that will stop me but I didn't train it or anything and my indoor frame will struggle with it. Hell my outdoor fence is only 4'. Not good. I'll have to supercrop it, I've done that before and it definitely works but I hate to do it. I can see that plant easily yielding 6oz, now I just have to not screw it up. Probably should give it a dose of veg nutes before I switch the lights but that's gotta happen soon. I've been feeding them all the mid bloom mix. I feel like a total newbie. Sheesh. I'll pm you about your light, take care.
Now you know how every moment of every grow feels to me. Just slightly better than flying blind.
 
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Go up to the conversations icon next to the posts icon and select "start a new conversation" and put me in the "recipient" space and type your message below like normal. It's just like email basically between you and whoever you're talking to on the forum. I use it for non sponsored product questions mostly that I don't want in the journal out of respect for the sponsors.
 
Autoflower Update
Chunky Day 44
Sour Apple Day 37


Chunky is done stretching just in time before I would have had to lower her a little. She's about six and a half inches from my light. She's getting blasted with around 1300 par and still her leaves all beg for more light. She doesn't look it in the picture provided here, cuz she's being dried to the bone before feeding tomorrow so she's very droopy at the moment. Still might lower her a little (just take a brick layer out, easy as pie) depending on how the buds develop but so far it looks bountiful. In the end she stretched a ton - more than any auto I have grown yet except perhaps the Pineapple Express, also a stretcher. She basically just short of doubled in size. Pretty awesome. Super healthy plant. Very thirsty. Very happy. Lots of bud sites all getting adequate light even if it doesn't quite look it in the pictures. Significant defol to get light to buds. Now we'll see what she does. The picture of Chunky from the side is a good example of how dry I let the pot get between waterings and how much she droops in response. Tomorrow morning she'll get fed and perk up like a madwoman on meth, and it will be spectacular. One of these days I will do a time lapse video of it with a plant, that would be cool to share. I won't be letting her get this dry much more often from here out, as now, as @Emilya will tell you, I want to cram as much water into her as I possibly can while keeping her on the proper Canna for Autos feeding schedule and the MSA schedule. She drank 3 gallons this week alone and as you see in the picture I could have watered her again today around noon but decided to wait. I'll post a perk up picture tomorrow afternoon that'll show you the gigantic difference.

The Sour Apple in the auto rig is on day 37 and she is also a couple days into budding. As I have found with this strain, the Sour Apple doesn't stretch much. I moved her up in the rig closer to the lights, and changed one of the blurples to reds only, I also rearranged the UFO panel to shine full spectrum light from the above/side. She is getting hit with around 1050 par right now, a 50/50 combination of 286 watts of full spectrum (red/blue) from one blurple and around 220 watts of red light from the other, plus a few extra watts from the UFO panel, maybe 25. So north of 500 watts of power for one plant should work out well. Plenty of light and power for one plant. Hell, I did my entire first grow with this exact setup of lights, and now I use it for one plant. LMAO. Probably leave her here and let her grow into more par if she does. But I created at least 11 legit bud sites on this Sour Apple, and although none of the buds will equal the one cola beauty of Sue Anne in size, my guess is that this plant yields more than one ounce and one eighth. But what do I know? She's undeniably extremely healthy however. And I must give credit to dude on Youtube I got the soil setup in the pot from cuz it's worked out beautifully. All her roots are well into straight Sohum at this point, but the transition was very likely made to work as perfectly as it did due to the core of straight soil mix as a buffer and the 50/50 Sohum/soil mix in the top half of the plant. In a trillion years I wouldn't have come up with that on my own.

So on we go. Photos update later this week.

Photographs:

- Sour Apple top shot
- Sour Apple side shot with blur from moving leaf due to fan, lol
- Chunky side shot not looking quite as droopy as I described but she really is in reality
- Chunky tops
- Chunky tops 2
- Chunky interior growth shot

Sour Apple top shot August 29.jpg


Sour Apple August 29 side shot with fan motion.jpg


Chunky August 29.jpg


Chunky Buds August 29.jpg


Chunky tops shot August 29.jpg


Chunky interior August 29.jpg
 
Phototown Update
Grow/Veg Day 45
Week 6 Nutrient Chart Feedings
More LST


Ok, we'll try to be brief today.

Slurricane: This plant is very robust. Great genetics from all appearances so far. She needs pretty consistent controlling or she'll go nuts. Tons of bud sites. The second topping on all six main colas was a great call, but as predicted, I have more tops than I know what to do with. Lol. Slurricane is in Sohum so is still just getting Ph'ed water at 6.3 and once a week MSA treatment. She seems to be enjoying the Sohum.
Ghost Train Haze: Also a robust grower, not quite on the Slurricane level but faster than the Hulkberry. Also way healthy and loving life. Only topped this girl once, and at this point on day 45 we are done topping, at least that kind of topping. We'll see what happens later when we're trying to make sure we have as even a "canopy" as possible. GTH is on Week 4 repeating of the Fox Farms feed chart, where she stays until the flip. Following the chart to the letter has produced great results so far. Not a blemish or sign of too many nutes. Heck, there's not even a yellow tip. This tells me that any time I was concerned about too much nutes when adjusting the feeding chart I should have been concerned about other stuff like Ph. When the plant is healthy and you are giving the proper Ph'ed water all the time and no stress, using the chart as written works amazingly well. Thanks for that one, @Emilya.
Hulkberry: My slowest grower, but man does she look fine. Great color. Starting to catch up a little to her bigger friends. Four mains on this one, the two from node one will develop but they'll not get to main status like these other four. That's perfectly fine and frankly makes it easier to train her, lol. Hulkster is also on week 4 of the Fox Farms feeding chart as written and repeating until the flip.

The environment remains consistent as noted in previous posts. No spikes. No power outages. No issues.

Photographs, all overhead shots and all post weekly LST session:

Slurricane
Ghost Train Haze
Hulkberry

Have a strong week of growing everyone!

Slurricane post LST session August 30.jpg


Ghost Train Haze August 30.jpg


Hulkberry August 30.jpg
 
Phototown Update
Grow/Veg Day 45
Week 6 Nutrient Chart Feedings
More LST


Ok, we'll try to be brief today.

Slurricane: This plant is very robust. Great genetics from all appearances so far. She needs pretty consistent controlling or she'll go nuts. Tons of bud sites. The second topping on all six main colas was a great call, but as predicted, I have more tops than I know what to do with. Lol. Slurricane is in Sohum so is still just getting Ph'ed water at 6.3 and once a week MSA treatment. She seems to be enjoying the Sohum.
Ghost Train Haze: Also a robust grower, not quite on the Slurricane level but faster than the Hulkberry. Also way healthy and loving life. Only topped this girl once, and at this point on day 45 we are done topping, at least that kind of topping. We'll see what happens later when we're trying to make sure we have as even a "canopy" as possible. GTH is on Week 4 repeating of the Fox Farms feed chart, where she stays until the flip. Following the chart to the letter has produced great results so far. Not a blemish or sign of too many nutes. Heck, there's not even a yellow tip. This tells me that any time I was concerned about too much nutes when adjusting the feeding chart I should have been concerned about other stuff like Ph. When the plant is healthy and you are giving the proper Ph'ed water all the time and no stress, using the chart as written works amazingly well. Thanks for that one, @Emilya.
Hulkberry: My slowest grower, but man does she look fine. Great color. Starting to catch up a little to her bigger friends. Four mains on this one, the two from node one will develop but they'll not get to main status like these other four. That's perfectly fine and frankly makes it easier to train her, lol. Hulkster is also on week 4 of the Fox Farms feeding chart as written and repeating until the flip.

The environment remains consistent as noted in previous posts. No spikes. No power outages. No issues.

Photographs, all overhead shots and all post weekly LST session:

Slurricane
Ghost Train Haze
Hulkberry

Have a strong week of growing everyone!

Slurricane post LST session August 30.jpg


Ghost Train Haze August 30.jpg


Hulkberry August 30.jpg
Guys, take this for what it's worth, but I think it's important to point out.
MSA observations/information


As you know I have been giving the plants a weekly mono-silicic acid treatment. The 40% stuff I am using is way different than the usual silicon products people buy, as most of them are between 1.5% and 9%. I have yet to find one higher than 9%. There are two big differences I can see it has made that are very obvious. The second one is the reason for the post.

1. The 40% MSA allows for immediate accessibility to nutrients for the plants, and immediate benefit from the silicon. I can very clearly see that the plants are responding differently to nutrients in this grow than in any previous grow. They are way more robust. Way more consistently green. And they are growing much faster than it may appear in the overhead shots, these guys are basically going apeshit. It's a big jump from previous grows, and although there are some other variables at play, like the Sohum soil in few plants and the Canna nutes vs. the FF in another, ALL the plants have shown this to be the case, so I credit the MSA doing what it claims it does. It's an awesome thing.
2. This is the one you have to be mindful of a lot more than maybe you're used to. One of the major side effects of the MSA is that in addition to strengthening the cellular walls of the stems and such of the plant, and allowing for way more efficient transfer of nutrients, it also affects the stems themselves. It makes them get hard faster. Stronger, yes, and that's great. But if you are like many of us and doing a lot of training and light bending and LST and such, it is important to be aware of this. The first day or two you get the flexibility you are used to and then the hardness starts to set in and they don't want to bend quite as easily. You have to be patient. I was training them once a week on Mondays. Today I trained out the Slurricane first thing in the morning. When I was done there were lots of branches being held down by sticks in the soil, and SOLIDLY. So the plant couldn't move, just grow up. It was fine. Two hours later I checked it. The plant wanted to go up so badly that instead of pulling the stick out of the ground it snapped itself off a bit. I did not do it. The plant did it to itself. Just on one branch, but I lessened the restraints on the others a little after seeing that. I had it tied down solidly, but it was definitely not at the breaking point. I was astonished to see this. I taped it up and no big deal at all, but what a great learning experience. So my suggestion would be to leave a little bit of slack, or play, or room to move a little, when you tie a branch down if using MSA, cuz you don't want this to keep happening.

That's your public service announcement for today.
 
Sour Apple Autoflower
Auto Rig Check In
Day 40, Wednesday, September 1
New Phone/Camera!


Hi guys. Today is a lovely day for a Sour Apple check in because it's day 40 and September 1st. That feeds my OCD jones so well I'm practically giddy. :)

Obviously this girl is budding. It's a great comparison to Sue Anne, the big single bud cola I grew and just recently exhausted the buds of, (lol - not). With Sue Anne I did nothing. She became a one ounce cola bud with two little side branches about 6 inches long top to bottom and a bud on each. Yield was an ounce and an eighth. Ugh. So this time we trained her hard for an auto. I know this strain well enough now to know that she is going to start budding early-ish, at around the day 25 mark, and so far always before 30 days. As this one did. So I took a chance and trained her hard very early on, and actually topped her using Uncle Ben's method. First time doing that on an auto. It's fairly extreme and I don't necessarily recommend it with an early budding strain like this, but it would be spectacular with a strain like the Chunkadelic. And of course it works the same as if you did it to a photo, except that topping an auto using this method is about as extreme an auto topping as it gets. It will generate lots of bud sites and growth for you, but the trade off is the plant's height will be compromised. I've only done this to the Sour Apple but I can see it would inevitably be the case regardless of strain. Just takes too long for the plant to generate useful stems after that instead of one inch long bullsh-- stems that'll make a bud that weighs a half gram. There's just no time left for it with certain strains after the plant recovers from the topping because you can't really use Uncle Ben's method until at least the third node is out, and that's the EARLIEST it's even possible. To use the method works in conjunction with having a great rootball, so to use UB early sort of compromises that. This one I did as late as I thought I could, around day 18 or something. So as you can see on any of these Sour Apple posts, this plant is short. Real short. The canopy is 9 1/2 inches off the dirt. But the training early and effective defoliation to get light to the inner growth after the topping has resulted in 8 exactly the same size and height main colas. So far not one is claiming dominance, and you could sit a paper plate level on top of the eight, they are that exactly the same height and distance from the light. This of course is spectacular. There are also three legit inner stem budding/stretching out, which will be smaller buds but very legit. The rest will be flarf. I'll be trimming the lower inner flarfy stuff off soon enough, once I see how the three inner buds separate themselves from the rest of the nest of garbage at the base. But sometimes you get surprised, so this is my worst case scenario. With a different strain, such as the Chunkadelic in the tent, there is an extra week of growth before budding and it naturally forms more side branching, so this methodology with a strain other than Sour Apple would result in better yields, but that said, the idea here was to see how much of a f--k you we can say to the ounce and an eighth with the same strain grown the same way. This one is in Sohum, but all else is the same. She will definitely yield more than Sue Anne.

Today is clean watering day for this plant, after lunch. I am discontinuing the use of the MSA at this point with this plant, as I also already did today with the Chunkadelic. The suggested usage of the stuff says to use in veg and discontinue shortly after budding. Although it doesn't explain that further, I'm guessing that by now the MSA has worked it's magic. And since the plant is now putting almost all it's energy into forming buds, it really doesn't need the distraction of stealing some of that energy to develop the stems further. They're as developed as they're going to get. So that is my semi-educated guess/opinion on why they say to discontinue early into flowering. It's also perhaps possible that if you kept using it through budding maybe it would start to make the buds unnaturally hard or something. I don't know. Need to research that more. Since this plant is in Sohum, that means the rest of the way, unless I see a need for a boost later in budding, she gets only clean, 6.3 water. Except that I am now replacing the MSA with the blackstrap molasses. From here on out any of her clean waterings will include the molasses. It's important always to Ph your water I now see, but if you use molasses it's especially important, so obviously I did that too.

Other than that the plant is at around 1070 par, getting hit with plenty of full spectrum and plenty of red light. Her environment doesn't change much. Temps stay between 64 overnight up to around 76 in the hottest possible day. This is only possible because the one AC unit blasts the space she's in with AC for one little plant, lol. Her RH stays around 65% which is higher than preferred obviously but I can't change it. Not a huge deal.

That's about it, other than I finally got a new phone, and thus a new and highly upgraded camera with tons of editing options I didn't have on the lowly 6s I was using. This is the first photo with my new toys, and the idea was to see if the tools could help me overcome the blurple effect. I couldn't quite make it natural looking, but it's way different than blurple pics and check out the definition. If you have seen any of this or previous journals of mine, the improvement in focus and detail is dramatic. I just posted this one pic cuz it's a work in progress. But here's the Sour Apple on Day 40, September 1st, through the eyes and editing tools of the new camera.

Enjoy!!!

Hey, please, if anyone has any input or knowledge about the MSA please feel free to share and help educate?!!

Sour Apple September 1.jpg
 
Phototown Update
Wednesday, September 1
Grow/Veg Day 47
Primary Unchaining Day


Alright so we're on Day 47 and at this point things are going so well I'm sitting here every day waiting for the other shoe to drop. Lol. Hopefully it does not.

So here's the plan:
Today I took the all the chains off all three of the ladies. The are now growing unfettered. At this point they have been in their training positions long enough that when I unchained them they stayed where they were with minimal bounce back towards the middle, just a tiny bit of "up." What I have right now, which I attempt to display with the side shots of each plant, is three plants with tons of bud sites that are legit, and all with even "canopies." Now I unchain them and for a week or so I will do nothing. Just let them grow vertically. They won't train themselves, and all that will happen is the existing stems with bud sites will all grow up and get taller. This is what I want. After a week or so I will have a training session and a defol session with all three plants and start the process of shaping them the way I want for flowering. In a week or so they will again be chained and we will go through this process a couple more times before the flip. Just waiting now for them to be the height I want.

Basically what I'm doing is a scrog without a scrog, ie, no net or anything. I tried the scrog last grow and while it would have worked out fine had it not gone hermie, it will never be the ideal method due to my living in a wheelchair. I simply can't access the center of the tent. Not to do the finer work that's necessary there. Also a couple sides and other spots are impossible to get to. What I need is to be able to rotate and move the plants. Thus, no screen, and everyone on wheels. Once the Chunkadelic is out of the tent we will reposition the photos and then do more training. It's kind of challenging. I'm kind of trying to emulate @Tokin Roll and what he has going on into his scrog screen. I would encourage anyone who is interested in that style of growing to check out his current journal. All three of these plants could easily be made to look just like his, and I am basically going for that. The exception is since I have no screen I will be doing with sticks and twisties what he is doing with the screen, or approximately. Then I can rotate the plants and get to all of them. It worked out really well last time with Sadie, the Jelly Rancher, and this will be even better than her. I adjust the height of the plants as necessary, although that's really only necessary with the Hulkberry.

So a week of vertical growth. GO FOR IT GIRLS.

Chunky the gorgeous autoflower is drinking like a crazy woman and budding like mad. Wow. What a fabulous plant. I posted a picture to show how damn close she is to the light, and you can see from her upper leaves (the lowers are still coming up after her second watering of the week today. I gave her a gallon and a half instead of a gallon) that she's cool with it. There are zero signs of light burn. I may even top these buds, or some of them, at the right time, after seeing what @Emilya is getting from the backcutting she's got going on. Never did it but it's so easy and so effective, why not try it? Chunky's on week 6 of the Canna nutes for autos chart and loving those nutes. I believe I like them better than the Fox Farms, but still have to test a photo with them to be sure. Next time. Anyway, if she is 47 days old as she is, she has a month, maybe 5-6 weeks, to go. Can't wait to see what she yields. I'm looking at sometime in mid October for her and the Sour Apple in the auto rig I already posted about today.

Happy September 1 guys. Beginning of an important month for growing for all of us. Get it done.

Photographs:


Slurricane top shot
Slurricane side shot
Hulkberry top shot
Hulkberry side shot
Ghost Train Haze top shot
Ghost Train Haze side shot
Chunky tops to show proximity to light
Chunky tops closeup
Chunky entire plant post stretching

Slurricane unchained September 1.jpg


Slurricane side shot September 1.jpg


Hulkberry unchained September 1.jpg


Hulkberry side shot September 1.jpg


Ghost Train Haze unchained September 1.jpg


Ghost Train Haze side shot September 1.jpg


Chunky on September 1 showing proximity to light.jpg


Chunky closeup of tops September 1.jpg


Chunky entire plant still coming back from second watering of the week September 1.jpg
 
Sour Apple Autoflower
Auto Rig Check In
Day 40, Wednesday, September 1
New Phone/Camera!


Hi guys. Today is a lovely day for a Sour Apple check in because it's day 40 and September 1st. That feeds my OCD jones so well I'm practically giddy. :)

Obviously this girl is budding. It's a great comparison to Sue Anne, the big single bud cola I grew and just recently exhausted the buds of, (lol - not). With Sue Anne I did nothing. She became a one ounce cola bud with two little side branches about 6 inches long top to bottom and a bud on each. Yield was an ounce and an eighth. Ugh. So this time we trained her hard for an auto. I know this strain well enough now to know that she is going to start budding early-ish, at around the day 25 mark, and so far always before 30 days. As this one did. So I took a chance and trained her hard very early on, and actually topped her using Uncle Ben's method. First time doing that on an auto. It's fairly extreme and I don't necessarily recommend it with an early budding strain like this, but it would be spectacular with a strain like the Chunkadelic. And of course it works the same as if you did it to a photo, except that topping an auto using this method is about as extreme an auto topping as it gets. It will generate lots of bud sites and growth for you, but the trade off is the plant's height will be compromised. I've only done this to the Sour Apple but I can see it would inevitably be the case regardless of strain. Just takes too long for the plant to generate useful stems after that instead of one inch long bullsh-- stems that'll make a bud that weighs a half gram. There's just no time left for it with certain strains after the plant recovers from the topping because you can't really use Uncle Ben's method until at least the third node is out, and that's the EARLIEST it's even possible. To use the method works in conjunction with having a great rootball, so to use UB early sort of compromises that. This one I did as late as I thought I could, around day 18 or something. So as you can see on any of these Sour Apple posts, this plant is short. Real short. The canopy is 9 1/2 inches off the dirt. But the training early and effective defoliation to get light to the inner growth after the topping has resulted in 8 exactly the same size and height main colas. So far not one is claiming dominance, and you could sit a paper plate level on top of the eight, they are that exactly the same height and distance from the light. This of course is spectacular. There are also three legit inner stem budding/stretching out, which will be smaller buds but very legit. The rest will be flarf. I'll be trimming the lower inner flarfy stuff off soon enough, once I see how the three inner buds separate themselves from the rest of the nest of garbage at the base. But sometimes you get surprised, so this is my worst case scenario. With a different strain, such as the Chunkadelic in the tent, there is an extra week of growth before budding and it naturally forms more side branching, so this methodology with a strain other than Sour Apple would result in better yields, but that said, the idea here was to see how much of a f--k you we can say to the ounce and an eighth with the same strain grown the same way. This one is in Sohum, but all else is the same. She will definitely yield more than Sue Anne.

Today is clean watering day for this plant, after lunch. I am discontinuing the use of the MSA at this point with this plant, as I also already did today with the Chunkadelic. The suggested usage of the stuff says to use in veg and discontinue shortly after budding. Although it doesn't explain that further, I'm guessing that by now the MSA has worked it's magic. And since the plant is now putting almost all it's energy into forming buds, it really doesn't need the distraction of stealing some of that energy to develop the stems further. They're as developed as they're going to get. So that is my semi-educated guess/opinion on why they say to discontinue early into flowering. It's also perhaps possible that if you kept using it through budding maybe it would start to make the buds unnaturally hard or something. I don't know. Need to research that more. Since this plant is in Sohum, that means the rest of the way, unless I see a need for a boost later in budding, she gets only clean, 6.3 water. Except that I am now replacing the MSA with the blackstrap molasses. From here on out any of her clean waterings will include the molasses. It's important always to Ph your water I now see, but if you use molasses it's especially important, so obviously I did that too.

Other than that the plant is at around 1070 par, getting hit with plenty of full spectrum and plenty of red light. Her environment doesn't change much. Temps stay between 64 overnight up to around 76 in the hottest possible day. This is only possible because the one AC unit blasts the space she's in with AC for one little plant, lol. Her RH stays around 65% which is higher than preferred obviously but I can't change it. Not a huge deal.

That's about it, other than I finally got a new phone, and thus a new and highly upgraded camera with tons of editing options I didn't have on the lowly 6s I was using. This is the first photo with my new toys, and the idea was to see if the tools could help me overcome the blurple effect. I couldn't quite make it natural looking, but it's way different than blurple pics and check out the definition. If you have seen any of this or previous journals of mine, the improvement in focus and detail is dramatic. I just posted this one pic cuz it's a work in progress. But here's the Sour Apple on Day 40, September 1st, through the eyes and editing tools of the new camera.

Enjoy!!!

Hey, please, if anyone has any input or knowledge about the MSA please feel free to share and help educate?!!

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ADDENDUM TO THIS POST:
(If you are following the sour apple in the auto rig in this grow this post is for you)

Today was a watering day for the Sour Apple.
I just watered her and she takes a gallon to get the proper amount of runoff and satisfy her thirst. I expect her now to begin to want water as often as Chunky or something like it. I am beginning to much better understand the life cycle of an autoflower and when to do stuff to them for maximum effect. So with that in mind, I just gave her a boost. It was a semi-educated guess. Here's what I gave her exactly just now:

1 gallon tap water - my tap water comes in a narrow range of 7.1 to 7.4, which is pretty high
1 tsp. Cal Mag plus Iron (only CalMag application of the grow)
1 tsp. Canna Boost for soil
1/4 tsp. Fox Farms Beastie Bloomz
1/4 tsp. Fox Farms Cha Ching
1 tsp. Organic Unfiltered Blackstrap Molasses

After thoroughly mixing all that for a long time to make sure the solids of the FF line were completely dissolved, the Ph came in at around 6.1 and dropping. I was quite surprised it was that close considering all that's in it. I had no idea what the number was going to be. A bit of Ph Up until I got a steady 6.33 on her water with more time between the numbers on the test pen changing than I had patience to wait for. That's when I deem that number the final Ph of that watering, and yes, I know it changes. And so she got her watering, and for a specific reference that was today at about 6:15 pm. We will check her and post an update in 24 hours. By then we should know if my magical mix is actually going to work or if it will burn the crap out of the plant. A bit of a risk, not much. Based on what I know to be true it should be fine and it won't be done again except for the molasses most likely. I love experimenting on the autos. Sohum tells you straight up that you may need a boost in flowering depending on how you grow and your medium and the strain, so I know people do it. I know it can be done. And I knew the nutrients I was putting in. In auto time at day 40 she is beginning week 9, which was the reference I used to decide which of the Fox Farms nutes to use and how much, and the Canna Boost I added also due to where it's addition falls in the photo feed chart. I hope that makes sense. It's based on my concept that a week to an auto is five days and all decisions are based on that time line concept. Thus, tomorrow, day 41, is the first day of week 9 for the Sour Apple. Be careful if you do it this way and are using the Canna for autos chart, as it is designed to be used based on an actual 7 day week, not on my 5 day week version of Auto Time.

Can't wait to see if that was totally stupid and reckless or if the plant responds like a champion. I'm putting my money on the latter.

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Wow Chunky looks more like a haze to me than that haze does, it doesn't look sativa in the least. It looks beautiful though as they all do. Our tap water here out of the aquafier is a consistent 9.1 ph. You must have to pH up after you add nutes? After nutes I'm at about 6.6 so I have to pH down about 8 drops with the stuff I'm using.

Do you always mix your nutes right before feeding? I've been making it in batches of 3 gallons so it's been lasting for 2 feedings, and the pH has always drifted back up to around 6.5 in the interim. I'm going to try and just make what I need for the feeding that day from now on. I'm trying to surpress my natural laziness and do things right lol.

I'm not sure if you know this but I'm hoping you do, should I supercrop now at the start of flower or wait a while? The Gold Leaf is already almost to the top of the bird cage fence in the back yard and 30" from the lights, which as I pm'd you I'm replacing. Supposedly the vipar's are good at 14-18" above the canopy during flower so that still gives me about a foot of growth room indoors. Unless I make a new bird cage outside they only have 6-8" left so I'm hoping I can supercrop sooner than later. I've done it in the distant past but I don't remember the timing.

As always thank you and take care!
 
Wow Chunky looks more like a haze to me than that haze does, it doesn't look sativa in the least. It looks beautiful though as they all do. Our tap water here out of the aquafier is a consistent 9.1 ph. You must have to pH up after you add nutes? After nutes I'm at about 6.6 so I have to pH down about 8 drops with the stuff I'm using.

Do you always mix your nutes right before feeding? I've been making it in batches of 3 gallons so it's been lasting for 2 feedings, and the pH has always drifted back up to around 6.5 in the interim. I'm going to try and just make what I need for the feeding that day from now on. I'm trying to surpress my natural laziness and do things right lol.

I'm not sure if you know this but I'm hoping you do, should I supercrop now at the start of flower or wait a while? The Gold Leaf is already almost to the top of the bird cage fence in the back yard and 30" from the lights, which as I pm'd you I'm replacing. Supposedly the vipar's are good at 14-18" above the canopy during flower so that still gives me about a foot of growth room indoors. Unless I make a new bird cage outside they only have 6-8" left so I'm hoping I can supercrop sooner than later. I've done it in the distant past but I don't remember the timing.

As always thank you and take care!
Hey BK - I can answer some and not others.

- I have yet to add nutes and have the result not be in the 6-7 range somewhere before ph adjusting. Even with the molasses. In 9 out of 10 mixes I use a little Ph Down. I always go real slow, for two reasons. One, I hate yoyoing if you overshoot one direction or another, it's a pain in the ass, and two, every drop of Up or Down you add affects your stuff. My tap being where it is is not bad at all in this regard, WAY lower than 9.1. That's crazy high even from an aquafier.

- Yes, I always mix right before feeding. Every time. I never keep excess and use three days later. For one thing, the ph is different by then and has to be redone, and for two, I don't have any scientific information about the degradation of nute quality as the mix sits on the shelf for however many days. It's just as easy to mix the amount you know you're going to need instead of being "lazy" as you say. As Emilya would say, garden like a boss!

- Sorry my man, on supercropping I can't help you out. I have never done it. I understand it conceptually but that's about it. Way different to do it and have in the memory banks a result of doing it. I have no reference points. However, one option is to ask anyone you see in anyone's journal who has something going on that you respect. Another is to post a question in the questions section which is designed for just this purpose. I've used it often. I know some of the folks who occasionally check in here have lots of experience with it, but the who does what escapes me at the moment, sorry. I'm old and stoned.

Hope that helps a little!
 
ADDENDUM TO THIS POST:
(If you are following the sour apple in the auto rig in this grow this post is for you)

Today was a watering day for the Sour Apple.
I just watered her and she takes a gallon to get the proper amount of runoff and satisfy her thirst. I expect her now to begin to want water as often as Chunky or something like it. I am beginning to much better understand the life cycle of an autoflower and when to do stuff to them for maximum effect. So with that in mind, I just gave her a boost. It was a semi-educated guess. Here's what I gave her exactly just now:

1 gallon tap water - my tap water comes in a narrow range of 7.1 to 7.4, which is pretty high
1 tsp. Cal Mag plus Iron (only CalMag application of the grow)
1 tsp. Canna Boost for soil
1/4 tsp. Fox Farms Beastie Bloomz
1/4 tsp. Fox Farms Cha Ching
1 tsp. Organic Unfiltered Blackstrap Molasses

After thoroughly mixing all that for a long time to make sure the solids of the FF line were completely dissolved, the Ph came in at around 6.1 and dropping. I was quite surprised it was that close considering all that's in it. I had no idea what the number was going to be. A bit of Ph Up until I got a steady 6.33 on her water with more time between the numbers on the test pen changing than I had patience to wait for. That's when I deem that number the final Ph of that watering, and yes, I know it changes. And so she got her watering, and for a specific reference that was today at about 6:15 pm. We will check her and post an update in 24 hours. By then we should know if my magical mix is actually going to work or if it will burn the crap out of the plant. A bit of a risk, not much. Based on what I know to be true it should be fine and it won't be done again except for the molasses most likely. I love experimenting on the autos. Sohum tells you straight up that you may need a boost in flowering depending on how you grow and your medium and the strain, so I know people do it. I know it can be done. And I knew the nutrients I was putting in. In auto time at day 40 she is beginning week 9, which was the reference I used to decide which of the Fox Farms nutes to use and how much, and the Canna Boost I added also due to where it's addition falls in the photo feed chart. I hope that makes sense. It's based on my concept that a week to an auto is five days and all decisions are based on that time line concept. Thus, tomorrow, day 41, is the first day of week 9 for the Sour Apple. Be careful if you do it this way and are using the Canna for autos chart, as it is designed to be used based on an actual 7 day week, not on my 5 day week version of Auto Time.

Can't wait to see if that was totally stupid and reckless or if the plant responds like a champion. I'm putting my money on the latter.

:thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb::thumb:
ADDENDUM TO THE ADDENDUM:
Lol
Sour Apple Auto 24 Hours Post Feeding Boost Risk


Well, so as promised, here's a couple pics of the Sour Apple 24 hours after adding the "flying a little blind" nute mix I introduced yesterday as a boost in flower for the plant. As I said, I wasn't sure about this one. Ha. Forgot I was dealing with an auto, which means whatever I do to it it's going to take it. This one didn't blink. In fact, quite the opposite. She seems to have LOVED it. No droop. No yellow tips or worse. No shying from anything. Check out the level of leaf-up/praying in this picture. The light distance from the plant is not why she's praying like that. This is the very first day she has shown this. I mean in her entire life. It's odd and fascinating, and obviously a result of what I gave her yesterday, and I have no clue whatsoever about why this might be happening. But I can tell it's a good thing and this plant is responding way positively to my little nute booster pack. It's as if she went into hyperdrive and can't keep up with her own explosion. I'm sure I just got lucky, but hey, a little luck never hurts.

Check her out. Vigorous little bugger in this Sohum soil.
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Looking great Jon! I've been silently watching from the back, never said much as your posts are highly informative, and I follow your logic. And well, I know crap on soil :rofl:
 
Praying is a direct result and indicator of how much transpiration is happening. The only way those leaves can raise up like that is when the water pressure in the xylem reaches the optimal level. This means that the roots are unobstructed and able to suck up the maximum amount of water over time and in addition to that, the leaves have enough light/heat hitting them and breeze helping them to evaporate off a significant amount of that water. The leaves reach a point of 45 degrees and all the ridges stand up to increase the surface area of the leaf. The angle that the leaves present to the light is the maximum compromise between gathering photons and allowing as significant amount of the light energy to penetrate the leaf and go to the next level. It really is a beautiful thing, this praying, when you understand what all is going on, and going right, in a plant that can do this every time the light comes on and all through the watering cycle. Some people only see this right at the end of the watering cycle, when the container is mostly dry and the plants are sucking hard to get the last of the water.
 
Praying is a direct result and indicator of how much transpiration is happening. The only way those leaves can raise up like that is when the water pressure in the xylem reaches the optimal level. This means that the roots are unobstructed and able to suck up the maximum amount of water over time and in addition to that, the leaves have enough light/heat hitting them and breeze helping them to evaporate off a significant amount of that water. The leaves reach a point of 45 degrees and all the ridges stand up to increase the surface area of the leaf. The angle that the leaves present to the light is the maximum compromise between gathering photons and allowing as significant amount of the light energy to penetrate the leaf and go to the next level. It really is a beautiful thing, this praying, when you understand what all is going on, and going right, in a plant that can do this every time the light comes on and all through the watering cycle. Some people only see this right at the end of the watering cycle, when the container is mostly dry and the plants are sucking hard to get the last of the water.
Well I'm going to take that as a long way of saying I'm doing something right. :laughtwo:
 
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