James' Soil - Multi-Strain 2012 Grow

[jameswri85]

Awesome, so glad you were able to see it... they are looking a lot nicer now..... I just need to get to the updates....

 

[Closet Farmer]

Yes! Your plants are looking very nice and healthy!! Great Job!! Videos really show more than pictures do and the fan noise was not bad at all!!

 

[JamesTheGreen]

Re: James' Organic Soil, Multi-strain 2012 Grow

I am an Out Door Grower, and I would just like to SAY, That I agree with You Whole Heartedly on Self Watering by Hand. It really is the only way that You can TRULY TELL, if and how much Water Your Plants need! I know so many People that went to a Full Automated System, and sooner or later something either Broke, Got Plugged Up, Un-Plugged, Burned Out, Started a Fire ETC. That it always just seemed to Me that it is Easier to just rely on what You SEE and Know, and take the appropriate action when Necessary. Plus by doing it all Yourself by Hand, You learn a whole lot More!! Which always pays off in the End! Nice easy to Understand Instructions as well. Good Post Stoned4daze61! You May Not Even Get This, Cause I am Replying to Something 3 Months OLD!!! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

 

[JamesTheGreen]

The Fan Noise was Negligible, I did not mind it at all. I enjoyed the Shoot, I like the Looks of Your Set Up!!! Everything Seems Nice and Workable!! I would Pick off less Leaves than You, but Hey, to each His Own. And if I am wrong about You Picking Off Leaf's, Slap My Face and Tar and Feather Me. It looks like Great set up, I am VERY STOKED For YOU!!! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

 

[Closet Farmer]

The Fan Noise was Negligible, I did not mind it at all. I enjoyed the Shoot, I like the Looks of Your Set Up!!! Everything Seems Nice and Workable!! I would Pick off less Leaves than You, but Hey, to each His Own. And if I am wrong about You Picking Off Leaf's, Slap My Face and Tar and Feather Me. It looks like Great set up, I am VERY STOKED For YOU!!! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

I understand what you are saying about not cutting off leaves. But isn't the lighting of indoor plants different. With very much respect. Your grow is amazing. Everyone on this site should check it out.
Indoor plants only get light from above. Outdoor plants get light from all angles. I would think trimming a plant outdoors would be a waste of time compared to indoors. I tried both ways.. Trimming and not trimming and the difference is more tops and buds and less useless trim at the end of the grow. All the trim left is hashworthy!!
I know you know very much about growing and have a lot more experience than me. Why would you leave the leaves on the plant if they are covering up potential bud growth areas? I hope you don't get me wrong. I am just trying to learn.

 

[JamesTheGreen]

I would leave the leaves on because they act as Solar Panels, and just because it is covering up the Top, does not mean that said Top is Not getting any energy from the leaf. Remember, whenever you pick something off and expose something, it is always going to look like the spot you exposed is starting to Grow More, but that is because now it has to, to make up for the loss it just took. I am not saying do not do it ever, it just is not necessary from My experiences. In other words, it all usually works it's self out by the END. That does not mean You are doing anything wrong though. We all have Our Methods, and I am just giving You the Reasoning for Mine. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

 

[Closet Farmer]

I would leave the leaves on because they act as Solar Panels, and just because it is covering up the Top, does not mean that said Top is Not getting any energy from the leaf. Remember, whenever you pick something off and expose something, it is always going to look like the spot you exposed is starting to Grow More, but that is because now it has to, to make up for the loss it just took. I am not saying do not do it ever, it just is not necessary from My experiences. In other words, it all usually works it's self out by the END. That does not mean You are doing anything wrong though. We all have Our Methods, and I am just giving You the Reasoning for Mine. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

James. I understand what you are saying and I find it very interesting to hear an opposing view. Really do appreciate it. I do notice that that leaves on the plants do point at the light like solar panels. Maybe I will do a grow and leave all the leaves on on plants and trim the other and compare. I am thinking about doing an all clone grow after my next one so I can have 2 exact plants to compare.

 

[jameswri85]

I wonder if it would be possible to try on just one plant. Top it so you have 2 even tops then trim one and leave one alone to see which top does better...

It is always good to hear more than one side of everything!! Everyone has different opinions/ point of views/ and sees things differently. You can't always see why an idea is good or bad, but someone else may. Or may even have first hand experience with why it works or doesn't work.

It's just another thing I love about this site... With all the people that have been growing for so long and have so much experience, there are lots of points of view to be heard.

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[miwa]

Do it..tie a piece of ribbon around the cut tops to keep track of them...compare when you harvest..

 

[Icemud]

IceMud, Maybe Indoors I Might Super Crop, Because You Can Control The Light, But Outdoors I have Found That There is Little to No Difference in the Amount Produced. Even From the same Strain. The ones that have Not Been Super-Cropped, tend to produce fewer, but Larger Buds, and the Super Cropped, Topped, Femmed, Trained Plants always Produce More Buds, but of Lesser Stature over All, The Weights are Generally the Same, Sometimes one way, weighs a Little More. the next it is the other Way that weighs More. And Please do not feel IceMud that I am trying to detract from Your advice, because it is STILL GOOD!!! I am just telling You what has happened for Me on this. You are "TOO GOOD A PERSON" IceMud, for Me to disrespect You, EVER! And Jim, I finally got to watch the Video, after I do not know How Many Times I Tried! I was so Stoked!!! Keep Up The Great Work. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

Definitely no disrespect taken at all my friend We're all here to share our knowledge, experiences and tricks of the trade...(this was a tip given to me by a long time norcal growerbuddy that I tried and worked with positive effect for me on a few different OG's I tried it on.....

I am curious, when you supercropped for your results, did you do it in veg or flowering? just was curious as to when you supercropped for your results...because If you did it in veg, I could definitely see more buds, but smaller..

I did mine around day 40 of flowering and what it did is allowed more light to reach the bud being that it was horizontal, the bud curved up like an L shape and swelled thicker and filled in better than the non supercropped branches on the same plant..also the buds on the lower nodes became much larger than the ones in the same position on the non supercropped branches.... that was my experience, but never done outdoors either

I definitely look at your outdoor grows and think to myself..."damn! Now those are trees!!! " I could only wish to be able to have a healthy strainforest in my yard Very much appreciate your kindness and also sharing your experience because you have much more than I do

 

[jameswri85]

Do it..tie a piece of ribbon around the cut tops to keep track of them...compare when you harvest..

It would have to wait until my next run... all I have right now are either destined for motherhood or flowering.... I think it would be a better test done from seed instead of clone though. I feel you would be more likely to get 2 even tops from seed rather than from clone...... If I can get an OG Kush or chemdog to sprout I'll give it a go!!!

 

[JamesTheGreen]

I don't know about the one Plant test. First off You would be damaging One side of the Plant, and not the other, if I hear You Right!?! It seems to Me that the side that was un- damaged would grow faster. But You SEE, that is the Difference about Growing In Doors and Out. Inside You can control the Light, or at least how much of it there actually is, and how long it Shines. I know that Outdoors, if You pick at one side of the Plant, and leave the other alone, the Unaffected Side will FAR outgrow the played with side, especially if they both get the same amount of Sunshine, sometimes the un played with side will Over Grow the played with Side. I don't know, maybe it is all just Semantics. So try the two Plant Same Strain Method, I don't Know? So many different factors play in, when You are Growing, from Strain, to Grower, ETC, ETC. And Icemud, I did it when they were in Vegetive Growth!!! Of COURSE, which I guess makes the comparison lacking, or maybe that was just the Stronger side of Your Plant, Anyways, Indoors or Out, Your Guys' stuff is Just amazing. Some of the best advice I have ever been given,"If it Works The Best For You, Don't Change a Thing, Or if it Ain't Broke, Don't Try Fixing It!!!" There is a statement I learned in the Military that I apply directly to Growing, it is known as KISS, or KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Which means make it easy to do right and impossible for most to mess up, and keep it that Way!!! Doing Things the Simplest and Best, that truly WORK, is how I try to operate. And Working Really Hard Helps as Well!!! Gonna Be Putting Up Some Garden Porn Tomorrow/Today, every ones Welcome to come By and Take a Look!!! The Girls are Getting Sexier and Sexier!!! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.

 

[jameswri85]

I do agree with you that the untouched side would grow much more than the trimmed side. However, most people here don't clip them until days 21(end of stretch) and 45 of flowering. I decided to just clip 3 or 4 every day or two when I noticed one that was blocking a main cola or just in the way. That way it is just a little bit of recovery at a time instead of needing a massive recovery twice. I also didn't intend to clip nearly this many leaves off, but with the smaller space (30X30) they filled it up very quickly. I have also had to go 2-4 days past them being dry a few times due to being too busy or too sore. Each time they wilt I have to pull off more leaves. I was actually very against defoliating at first, I would still rather not. However, I did see the value in it or this go 'round. I dream of being able to grow outdoor monsters like yours and just let them go crazy and develop frisbee sized leaves!!!!

 

[Icemud]

I do agree with you that the untouched side would grow much more than the trimmed side. However, most people here don't clip them until days 21(end of stretch) and 45 of flowering. I decided to just clip 3 or 4 every day or two when I noticed one that was blocking a main cola or just in the way. That way it is just a little bit of recovery at a time instead of needing a massive recovery twice. I also didn't intend to clip nearly this many leaves off, but with the smaller space (30X30) they filled it up very quickly. I have also had to go 2-4 days past them being dry a few times due to being too busy or too sore. Each time they wilt I have to pull off more leaves. I was actually very against defoliating at first, I would still rather not. However, I did see the value in it or this go 'round. I dream of being able to grow outdoor monsters like yours and just let them go crazy and develop frisbee sized leaves!!!!

I've actually heard from some experienced growers that do somthing similar to increase potency... not really sure if its hearsay because I've never tried it, but I have heard that some growers remove a few leaves every day because the constant low amount of stress causes the plant to generate more THC producing compounds...supposedly...again I've never tried this.... also I was told that some people till twist all of the tips off there fan leaves throughout the entire grow...just the tips... for the same reason though.. to constantly stress the plants which "essentially" produces more THC>..again this is just word of mouth hearsay, but thought it was interesting to share...

I usually do a defoliation around day 20 flowering and then around day 40 flowering... I was told that realisticly you can remove all fans below the 5th node down... I like to remove any leaves that clutter up my growing area or block budsites, the rest I leave...lol alone..

 

[jameswri85]

Hey, thanks for sharing that! I remember reading something about that a long time ago and forgot it. Thanks for the memory jog.

I have a fellow grower around me that is trying to convince me to put a stake through the base of my plants to stress them into creating more THC. I am very hesitant in doing this, though I may try staking just one branch of one and then compare to see if it does work or not.

 

[miwa]

i also heard about the nail in the main stem at ground level..read it in a growers manuel by Mel Frank...an old school growers guide...

 

[jameswri85]

Next time I water I will have to pop a nail through a branch and see how it works!!

 

[JamesTheGreen]

Jim, just make sure the Nail is Sterile. And if You Are Gonna do It, make sure You Place it above the water line on Your Stem, You Do not want Stem Rot To set In!!! I have seen Stem Rot Kill Big Healthy Plants in 3 days Time. And once You Get It, the Plant is NEVER The Same, even if it finishes!!! But if You get No Rot, Who Knows?!? I have heard of it before, but alas never tried it either. I was also told to Urinate in My Plants, because they Supposedly liked the salts, I never tried that One Either!!! All I am saying is BE CAREFUL!!! But it is up to You of Course. I have Read a few of those OLD MASTERPIECES, some of the info is GOOD,some, NOT SO GOOD. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN. P.S., No Insults Were Intended In This Post, CHEERS!!!

 

[miwa]

That nail idea came from an old school grow guide...they wasn't even using MH and HPS...they were using flures. tubes...as far as urien..i pee on mine all the time...the ones in the ground..i don't know if it has any effect..what about Blood Meal...anyone have any info on that...its all nitrogen...may have to Goggle...good post about the stem rot......don;t pee on plants that are in flower...they use less nitro...

 

[GracesGarden]

Jim, just make sure the Nail is Sterile. And if You Are Gonna do It, make sure You Place it above the water line on Your Stem, You Do not want Stem Rot To set In!!! I have seen Stem Rot Kill Big Healthy Plants in 3 days Time. And once You Get It, the Plant is NEVER The Same, even if it finishes!!! But if You get No Rot, Who Knows?!? I have heard of it before, but alas never tried it either. I was also told to Urinate in My Plants, because they Supposedly liked the salts, I never tried that One Either!!! All I am saying is BE CAREFUL!!! But it is up to You of Course. I have Read a few of those OLD MASTERPIECES, some of the info is GOOD,some, NOT SO GOOD. SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN. P.S., No Insults Were Intended In This Post, CHEERS!!!

I tried it myself but pee ran down my leg