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[smokesbetter]

Well done ,Looks like a lot from here . Like the hash ball !!

 

[HashGirl]

Congrats on the DV take down, Shed. Are you going to have her tested for THCV?

 

[BakedARea]

Wooooo!!! Nice harvest man! Sucks about the back and shoulders. Can 100% relate there amigo. So I am very seriously considering one of those hand cranked spinning trimmers from @VIVOSUN . I would love to see one of those in action. Have you considered one of those? Just thought I'd mention it to see if there are others here that have tried them.

Also, I'm working on a drying box project. I keep failing during my dry and cure. What are your temps and RH in there? How long are they hanging before switching to rice (if needed) & jars?

Are you on board with some growers that say burping isn't needed if they are dried slowly and properly?!

 

[InTheShed]

Baking steels store larger amounts of heat than a stone does and then transfer it more quickly but a steel is more $$ than a stone. Stones are a lot heavier so keep toes out of the LZ. I use a Nerd Chef ⅜" and it cooks like a champ.
Re. 800° - anything but a Neapolitan should be cooked in a home oven ≈ 500°F. If you cook higher than that, you'll need be careful how quickly the crust (and the toppings) cook. It's a balance.
If you want to go to Neapolitan, 900° is the magic number to get the rise in the crust. The Ooni and Roccbox will get you to those temps.
The best source of info I've found is here. Lots of good into for beginner through pro.

Sorry I missed this quote earlier...thanks Delps! Been a while since you stopped by so I'm glad you paid a visit right around harvest time. Good pizza info which I will put in the pizza file, but that's on the back burner for now since my life has gotten a bit more complicated recently.

Congrats on the DV harvest Shed! Looks like a pretty nice haul from her!
Too bad about the sore shoulder and back from all that trimming but I’m sure the end result will be worth the pain!

Thanks N! It's amazing how well advil and a heating pad work on trim-pain.

Yep got dog high just like him right beside me aswell

Thanks 7D2! It is tough for me to trim alone but like N said, it's all worth it in the end. And remember folks, don't expose your dogs to THC...it's really bad for them!

Congrats on the harvest Shed. Sorry to hear about the specs on that DV, it would be interesting to see what you got, if you do get it tested.

I really hope that tax time leaves me some spare change. Thanks double H!

Congrats on the harvest!

Thank you Melville...yours won't be too long now!

Great harvest, Shed! Fingers crossed for lots of THCV...there's a lot of something there- I hope it's the right stuff...

Thanks Carcass! Fingers crossed and holding thumbs I get something besides "it gets me high."

Congrats Shed, nicely done! Hope you had a great weekend!

Thank you kindly MrS! Weekend was a bit odd, but that's for another time. I hope spring has truly sprung up by you!

It'll be really interesting how she tests for you, nice harvest!

It sure will...thanks Stunger!

harvest hash is the best.

And it comes with an extra hit of dead skin cells for that something special!

Congrats on the DV harvest Shed, she was a beauty! Looking forward to seeing what’s next!

Me too! Thanks Boo!

Great presentation of your harvest! You always have great presentations! Congrats on the amount of DV in the drying box! That's a lot from one lady!! Hope the Varin is prominent. I read about it. Supposed to not induce the munchies. I forgot whatelse, lol. Great jobT Happy Smokin'

Thanks Bode, glad you enjoyed it!

No munchies would be a start in my house. We're constantly running low on snacks! It's supposed to aid in appetite suppression, improving bone density, and blood sugar regulation.

Looks like you had a busy weekend. Nice harvest!

Thank you BigD!

Nice harvest Shed!
How many buckets for your wash?

Last time I did:
#1 = water plus hydrogen peroxide (4 gals water : 1 gal h202)
#2 = 4 gals water plus 1/4 cup lemon juice and 1/4 cup baking soda
#3 = water
#4 = water

Dip and swish in each for about 20 seconds, then move to next.

Thanks Grateful! I just did two buckets. One with the citric acid and baking soda and one with plain water to rinse.

Another harvest well done Shed congratulations, how's the new bosses?

New management isn't 100% in place but so far so good. No major changes yet other than an increase in my workload during the transition, which is a good thing as it makes me valuable. Thanks dynamo!

Well done ,Looks like a lot from here . Like the hash ball !!

Thank you sb! I hope I don't lose it on the breakfast bar.

Congrats on the DV take down, Shed. Are you going to have her tested for THCV?

Thanks HG! I sure hope to have the money available to get it tested. I'm waiting to hear from @BeezLuiz when he gets his lab's new priced to compare to mine.

Wooooo!!! Nice harvest man!

Just thought I'd mention it to see if there are others here that have tried them.

@BeezLuiz has an iPower and so does @Virgin Ground. BL did a demo on his here.

What are your temps and RH in there

Whatever nature brings me! This morning the RH in the garage was about 50% and the air coming out of the holes was 57%, so I turned off the fan and will let it sit for a day.

How long are they hanging before switching to rice (if needed) & jars?

No rice balls unless you are either a) in a high RH environment or b) doing low and slow the OG way. I try to get them to hang for as close to a week as possible by closing off the holes in the box if the RH drops too quickly.

Are you on board with some growers that say burping isn't needed if they are dried slowly and properly?!

The reason behind the hanging/burping phase is to allow the burn-off of the bulk of the chlorophyll in the first few weeks. Once that's done the microbes can focus on digesting the rest of the plant sugars and remaining chlorophyll. The microbes that do that are aerobic and need fresh oxygen to survive. If you seal them up without burping there may not be enough O2 in the jars to allow them to do their work.

 

[Bode]

Highya ITS,

Would you post a source to :

The reason behind the hanging/burping phase is to allow the burn-off of the bulk of the chlorophyll in the first few weeks. Once that's done the microbes can focus on digesting the rest of the plant sugars and remaining chlorophyll. The microbes that do that are aerobic and need fresh oxygen to survive. If you seal them up without burping there may not be enough O2 in the jars to allow them to do their work.

That sounds very interesting, and wanted to go more indepth if possible. Oh, you're right as usual - improving bone density and blood sugar regulation were the other two benefits (according to several websites). Oh, I hope your workload slows down so you can have time to enjoy life again. Happy Smokin'

 

[InTheShed]

Would you post a source to :

Not sure which websites I'm allowed to link to these days, but here is some info from Maximum Yield:

"To burp your nugs is to remove air from glass jars that contain bud material during the curing process. As cannabis buds cure and dry, moisture is released and CO2 gas is produced. When cured in a sealed container, pressure builds up. Burping the jars allows both pressure and moisture to be released.

"There are many variables that determine how often you must burp your nugs and for how long. One of those is the desired humidity level in the finished cannabis. Another is the starting humidity level of the plant material. Of course, you also need to account for other factors, such as the temperature of the area where the drying is taking place, the altitude, and even the humidity level outside of the sealed jars.

"The primary functions of curing are potency and flavor. As the chemical components of the plant matter break down over time, it shifts the taste from an overly earthy and green flavor to flavors that are more palatable and that we can more readily associate with particular strains.

"This process is conducted by aerobic bacteria present in the plant at the time of harvest. The bacteria consume the chlorophyll in the cannabis making the taste and overall experience less harsh."

Greenhouse Grower states:

"Curing is a process that involves aging/drying harvested plant material to fine-tune the moisture content and allow for the decay of sugars and chlorophyll before consumption."

And PotGuide says:

"Curing...preserves the terpene profile, which affects the smell and flavor of different strains. As enzymes and bacteria feed on the decaying plant matter, they can also consume terpenes and cannabinoids. While it may sound logical, then, to just cease all decay, the fact is you actually want some compounds in the plant to be eaten up.

"Freshly cut cannabis is still loaded with excess sugars, starches, and other “stuff” of living plant matter like chlorophyll, all of which taste terrible when smoked. This is why improperly cured (or fresh-plucked) cannabis tastes bitter, and feels abrasive in the lungs."

Hope that helps!

 

[BakedARea]

Not sure which websites I'm allowed to link to these days, but here is some info from Maximum Yield:

"To burp your nugs is to remove air from glass jars that contain bud material during the curing process. As cannabis buds cure and dry, moisture is released and CO2 gas is produced. When cured in a sealed container, pressure builds up. Burping the jars allows both pressure and moisture to be released.

"There are many variables that determine how often you must burp your nugs and for how long. One of those is the desired humidity level in the finished cannabis. Another is the starting humidity level of the plant material. Of course, you also need to account for other factors, such as the temperature of the area where the drying is taking place, the altitude, and even the humidity level outside of the sealed jars.

"The primary functions of curing are potency and flavor. As the chemical components of the plant matter break down over time, it shifts the taste from an overly earthy and green flavor to flavors that are more palatable and that we can more readily associate with particular strains.

"This process is conducted by aerobic bacteria present in the plant at the time of harvest. The bacteria consume the chlorophyll in the cannabis making the taste and overall experience less harsh."

Greenhouse Grower states:

"Curing is a process that involves aging/drying harvested plant material to fine-tune the moisture content and allow for the decay of sugars and chlorophyll before consumption."

And PotGuide says:

"Curing...preserves the terpene profile, which affects the smell and flavor of different strains. As enzymes and bacteria feed on the decaying plant matter, they can also consume terpenes and cannabinoids. While it may sound logical, then, to just cease all decay, the fact is you actually want some compounds in the plant to be eaten up.

"Freshly cut cannabis is still loaded with excess sugars, starches, and other “stuff” of living plant matter like chlorophyll, all of which taste terrible when smoked. This is why improperly cured (or fresh-plucked) cannabis tastes bitter, and feels abrasive in the lungs."

Hope that helps!

And with all that said, which I have been following the best I can, there are growers that swear by drying for 2 weeks give or take a couple days until they have perfectly dried buds of their liking, typically in a stable 58-62% RH. As soon as they are stable at their desired RH, they lock them up and they're done. That's what I was getting at earlier. I'll have to send you a link via PM to get your take. I wanted to try that since you know how inconsistent my drying and curing has been.

 

[InTheShed]

And with all that said, which I have been following the best I can, there are growers that swear by drying for 2 weeks give or take a couple days until they have perfectly dried buds of their liking, typically in a stable 58-62% RH. As soon as they are stable at their desired RH, they lock them up and they're done. That's what I was getting at earlier. I'll have to send you a link via PM to get your take. I wanted to try that since you know how inconsistent my drying and curing has been.

I'm sure that you can get good results if you can hang dry for two weeks (in a controlled RH environment), but hang drying for that long means a loss of more terpenes to the open air. The reason for burping is not to let the volatile terps spend all that time dissipating, but still refresh the O2 and get the RH down in the process.

 

[BakedARea]

I'm sure that you can get good results if you can hang dry for two weeks (in a controlled RH environment), but hang drying for that long means a loss of more terpenes to the open air. The reason for burping is not to let the volatile terps spend all that time dissipating, but still refresh the O2 and get the RH down in the process.

And here is where the debate begins! Terpene levels are supposed to be a better concentration when dried at the correct temps and humidity. Too warm and trichs get too brittle too quickly. Colder temps allow for better preserved trichs but not for too long because then they get too brittle too. I just simply don't have the experience with enough good harvests to have an opinion one way or another. I love how old school growers would dry and cure inside a sunken hillside or underground rooms/cellars.

My goal...not to burp!

 

[InTheShed]

Most folks don't have a completely temp/RH controlled environment where they can hang their harvests for 2-3 weeks, so we do what we can. Feel free not to burp if that's where you find yourself messing up the drying, but you will be worse off if you can't control the RH in that time and end up with buds at 50% RH.

 

[Stunger]

I find hang drying whole for 3-4 weeks works well, it's then good to dry trim, if it's a good few ounces I'll usually let the buds remain in a brown paper bag before jarring the following day. But the thing I have to stress is, it just happens to work well in my drying environment, with different temps/RH etc it may do poorly. I like how the buds are all sugary cured on jarring, and that's it, no open/close and do it again.

Interesting reflection of the old timers drying methods @BakedARea, makes you marvel at how they did it. And good point from @InTheShed's on potential terpene loss if going the whole plant dry way. If you choose to burp you have to make sure you do it on schedule otherwise it'll be mould that greets you, which it has me, and super annoying to put it mildly after growing a plant for more than half a year.

 

[MrSauga]

Weekend was a bit odd, but that's for another time

Is it time yet?

 

[smokesbetter]

Thanks for the invite over at the @Mars Hydro give away shed

 

[BooWho2]

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[Heavenly Hybrid]

 

[InTheShed]

Okay, I have a spare minute for a Thursday update from last Sunday!

I did a bunch of things with the word "trim" in them, from trimming the Doug's Varin on Saturday (seen here), and then the following on Sunday...

I trimmed the Candida that will be flowered soon:

20220410_121945 CD-1 trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Candida trimmings

I also trimmed the Jack Herer 1.1 that will be flowered with the Candida:

20220411_084842 JH 1.1 trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Jack Herer 1.1 trimmings

Here is the before pic from a few weeks ago, so they were even bushier on Sunday:

Here they both are post thinning:

20220411_084909 JH and CD-1 post trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Jack Herer and Candida after trimming

Not sure I took enough on the Candida!

In other trimming news, I trimmed and root-pruned one of the Doug's Varin clones in a solo cup. Here it was before:

20220410_122836 DV 1.1 root trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Doug's Varin 1.1 before root pruning

Here are the roots:

20220410_122801 DV 1.1 root trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Doug's Varin 1.1 before root pruning

And here is the after shot. You can see the inch and a half slice I took off at the bottom right of this pic:

20220410_123806 DV 1.1 root trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Doug's Varin 1.1 after root pruning

I didn't have room to actually cut pieces off the sides so I scratched the sides up so the dirt fell away and I would have space to add more when I stuck it back in. I didn't get pics of that though.

In DV drying news, I think the flowers got over-dried. I bagged the smaller buds on Tuesday morning because the stems felt crackable, but they settled in the mid 70s. So I put them back in the box and left them with the larger buds. This morning they all felt dry as bone. I'm obviously a bit distracted lately.

I put two slices of bread in with them and we'll see if I can get the RH up quickly. Hope so!

Be well and stay safe.


Quotes:

I find hang drying whole for 3-4 weeks works well, it's then good to dry trim, if it's a good few ounces I'll usually let the buds remain in a brown paper bag before jarring the following day. But the thing I have to stress is, it just happens to work well in my drying environment, with different temps/RH etc it may do poorly. I like how the buds are all sugary cured on jarring, and that's it, no open/close and do it again.
Interesting reflection of the old timers drying methods @BakedARea, makes you marvel at how they did it. And good point from @InTheShed's on potential terpene loss if going the whole plant dry way. If you choose to burp you have to make sure you do it on schedule otherwise it'll be mould that greets you, which it has me, and super annoying to put it mildly after growing a plant for more than half a year.

Thanks Stunger! If terpene loss isn't a consideration than hang drying for 3 weeks is the same as hanging for a week and burping for two in terms of chlorophyll dissipation. As long as your RH plays nicely that works just fine!

Is it time yet?

I went to a memorial for a work colleague...very sad event.

Thanks for the invite over at the @Mars Hydro give away shed

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Boo!

And double H too!

 

[Maritimer]

Ahoy Shedster,
when you get time check this out.
Just put up pics 11 day drought, then 4 hours later after fertigation pics.
Amazing recovery.
on Krissy's thread.

 

[GratefulBud]

Okay, I have a spare minute for a Thursday update from last Sunday!

I did a bunch of things with the word "trim" in them, from trimming the Doug's Varin on Saturday (seen here), and then the following on Sunday...

I trimmed the Candida that will be flowered soon:

20220410_121945 CD-1 trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Candida trimmings

I also trimmed the Jack Herer 1.1 that will be flowered with the Candida:

20220411_084842 JH 1.1 trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Jack Herer 1.1 trimmings

Here is the before pic from a few weeks ago, so they were even bushier on Sunday:

Here they both are post thinning:

20220411_084909 JH and CD-1 post trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Jack Herer and Candida after trimming

Not sure I took enough on the Candida!

In other trimming news, I trimmed and root-pruned one of the Doug's Varin clones in a solo cup. Here it was before:

20220410_122836 DV 1.1 root trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Doug's Varin 1.1 before root pruning

Here are the roots:

20220410_122801 DV 1.1 root trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Doug's Varin 1.1 before root pruning

And here is the after shot. You can see the inch and a half slice I took off at the bottom right of this pic:

20220410_123806 DV 1.1 root trim.jpg

• InTheShed
• Apr 14, 2022

Doug's Varin 1.1 after root pruning

I didn't have room to actually cut pieces off the sides so I scratched the sides up so the dirt fell away and I would have space to add more when I stuck it back in. I didn't get pics of that though.

In DV drying news, I think the flowers got over-dried. I bagged the smaller buds on Tuesday morning because the stems felt crackable, but they settled in the mid 70s. So I put them back in the box and left them with the larger buds. This morning they all felt dry as bone. I'm obviously a bit distracted lately.

I put two slices of bread in with them and we'll see if I can get the RH up quickly. Hope so!

Be well and stay safe.


Quotes:

Thanks Stunger! If terpene loss isn't a consideration than hang drying for 3 weeks is the same as hanging for a week and burping for two in terms of chlorophyll dissipation. As long as your RH plays nicely that works just fine!

I went to a memorial for a work colleague...very sad event.



Boo!

And double H too!

Those plants look amazing, Shed!

Dude, you are my idol. Thanks for sharing your tips and wisdom with us!

 

[InTheShed]

Ahoy Shedster,
when you get time check this out.
Just put up pics 11 day drought, then 4 hours later after fertigation pics.
Amazing recovery.
on Krissy's thread.

Thanks Maritimer, and an excellent recovery!

Those plants look amazing, Shed!
Dude, you are my idol. Thanks for sharing your tips and wisdom with us!

Why thanks Grateful! The big takeaway from that post is don't veg your clones for 8+ months.

 

[Rexer]

Nice trim job Shed, hopefully didn't hurt as badly.

And wow, awesome job with that solo cup clone