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[Virgin Ground]

When GF says "in cups" at the bottom, I'm guessing they mean in a liquid measuring cup like the way we measure flour? They really should be giving their measurements in weight since it's a dry product!

Yeah.
They should be sticking to one or the other. I wonder which one is correct?
If only we had some sort of insight from the company....

My second email wasn't returned. I asked questions about transplant and frequency of watering etc.
Asked in two different places if anyone has had to use cal-mag with their product. No answer.

I'll resend it...

 

[InTheShed]

Yeah.
They should be sticking to one or the other. I wonder which one is correct?
If only we had some sort of insight from the company....

My second email wasn't returned. I asked questions about transplant and frequency of watering etc.
Asked in two different places if anyone has had to use cal-mag with their product. No answer.

I'll resend it...

Let us know when/if you hear back. Any number of folks are looking for the answer to the feed-chart question!

 

[bluter]

Yeah.
They should be sticking to one or the other. I wonder which one is correct?
If only we had some sort of insight from the company....

My second email wasn't returned. I asked questions about transplant and frequency of watering etc.
Asked in two different places if anyone has had to use cal-mag with their product. No answer.

I'll resend it...

ask them for a metric equivalent.
it's always more precise and is not hard to convert to stone age measurements ..

 

[HashGirl]

Let us know when/if you hear back. Any number of folks are looking for the answer to the feed-chart question!

If GF is a sponsor, can't you contact the rep through this website???

 

[bluter]

As far as I'm aware, organic taste is a myth.

actually it isn't. wine depends on flavours derived partly from the soils and environment the vines are grown in. it can even vary year to year. there's a fancy french word for it - terroir

the major part of wine flavour is from - you guessed it - an expression of terpenes. the cannabis terpene wheel, a tool used to describe weed flavour, is a direct adaptation of the wine flavour wheel, which has been around a couple hundred yrs.

the bottom line is the plant brings the possibilities, and the environment adds or helps to promote certain ones, or give some of it's own. this is true whether organic or not. same as the wine industry.

(iirc) the organics buds had higher terpene levels and greater THC percentage. Overall yields were greater for synthetics.

a lot depends on if the synthetics are using growth hormones.
if they are then yes, you can get bulk with a big helping of meh.

so much depends on the grower. at the outset of hydro in the late 70's early 80's, everyone went gaga to try buy the stuff here. you could get an extra $20 -$60 bucks a half just by calling it hydro.

the reason was it was better than indoor soil stuff at the time. soil was fair to average, if you wanted the good stuff it was always imported. there wasn't a lot of support for the growing industry until hydro came along. the indoor soil stuff was all grown in whatever garden stuff guys could scrape together and amend. the quality reflected that.

when hydro happened it was a game changer. hydro shops themselves were not illegal, and there was finally an outlet for the industry. hydro growers had more control over the nutrients and environment, and the result was reflected in the product.

at the time hydro always had higher thc counts.

since then, the whole growing industry has evolved - again because of the shops. the environmental control is now better for everyone, indoor at least. there is far more access to better products , and loads of information available to all growers.

the result has been now it really depends on the grower and how well they are dialed in to their style and method of growing.

 

[Virgin Ground]

ask them for a metric equivalent.
it's always more precise and is not hard to convert to stone age measurements ..

I already resent the email. If they answer , I'll ask. Lol

If GF is a sponsor, can't you contact the rep through this website???

The rep hasn't been on since Feb.4th.
He said he would get right back to me.

 

[bluter]

The rep hasn't been on since Feb.4th.
He said he would get right back to me.

geo-flocked off .. ?

 

[InTheShed]

actually it isn't. wine depends on flavours derived partly from the soils and environment the vines are grown in.

Exactly what I was saying! You're not tasting "organic." You're tasting what the nutrients impart to the plant. The correct mix will always make for a better product. If that weren't true we wouldn't still be chasing the correct NPK-Ca-Mg-S ratios.

the environment adds or helps to promote certain ones, or give some of it's own. this is true whether organic or not

True. Organic or not, it's what our plants have available to them at the roots. If your organic soil is very heavy in nitrogen you will still burn your plants and end up with more leaves than buds. Soil needs to have the correct set of elements just like synthetics. That's why Van Stank can do an entire grow with very little top dressing, where as some other mixes require sprays and regular drenches of one sort or another. The plants have to get it from somewhere to be their best.

The rep hasn't been on since Feb.4th. He said he would get right back to me.

Oof! I wonder if a word to @Renee Roberts would be helpful in getting some replies. Renee!

 

[bluter]

I already resent the email.

as long as it's resent as in there we go again, and not damn i wish i hadn't

 

[bluter]

Exactly what I was saying! You're not tasting "organic." You're tasting what the nutrients impart to the plant. The correct mix will always make for a better product. If that weren't true we wouldn't still be chasing the correct NPK-Ca-Mg-S ratios.

careful. you'll circle back to the we better flush all the chemical nutrients out at the end school of thought, with that going on ....

and we both know

The plants have to get it from somewhere to be their best.

there is a point to making them work. organic or not.
one of the best things i ever learned came from a good friend pre-web.

"don't love them too much."

he's been right every time.
i would also add don't ignore them. that's a bit of a given though.

 

[InTheShed]

i would also add don't ignore them.

Not for too long anyway!

 

[bluter]

guilty your shedness ...

 

[farside05]

MrS has found that a 5-1-5 seems to work well, along with a 41 K:Ca:Mg ratio and added silica up to 50ppm.

Funny how 5-1-5 goes back to the AN tissue sample results for blooming plants. Now is that 5-1-5 on a ppm level? Because you would have to have a combined ratio of 5-2-6 (fertilizer label numbers) to equal that 5-1-5 after adjustments for what the fertilizer actually provides. I'm guessing if you're using hydrobuddy that your 5-1-5 is the net ppm number.

 

[InTheShed]

Funny how 5-1-5 goes back to the AN tissue sample results for blooming plants. Now is that 5-1-5 on a ppm level? Because you would have to have a combined ratio of 5-2-6 (fertilizer label numbers) to equal that 5-1-5 after adjustments for what the fertilizer actually provides. I'm guessing if you're using hydrobuddy that your 5-1-5 is the net ppm number.

Indeed, I'm using the hydrobuddy software to do the calculations, and I'm not sure about the differences between the label and what the contents actually provides. What I can tell you is that the software gives you the option to enter certain elements in two different forms (like either Si or SiO4, or phosphorus as either P or P2O5, etc.). It will change the number you input if you change the element type in the drop down, so it may be doing the compensation you're referring to.

That kind of stuff is above my pay grade, so @Mr. Sauga would be the better person to ask, but without using individual elements you're never going to hit all your targets exactly anyway, so even if you do end up to 5-2-6 it would be considered a win.

A lot of it depends on how many different products you're willing to commit to!

 

[farside05]

Indeed, I'm using the hydrobuddy software to do the calculations, and I'm not sure about the differences between the label and what the contents actually provides. What I can tell you is that the software gives you the option to enter certain elements in two different forms (like either Si or SiO4, or phosphorus as either P or P2O5, etc.). It will change the number you input if you change the element type in the drop down, so it may be doing the compensation you're referring to.

That kind of sruff is above my pay grade, so @Mr. Sauga would be the better person to ask, but without using individual elements you're never going to hit all your targets exactly anyway, so even if you do end up to 5-2-6 it would be considered a win.

A lot of it depends on how many different products you're willing to commit to!

About the difference between labels and what's supplied....

"Also, P and K percentages shown on fertilizer packages are not the actual amount of P or K in the blend. The percentage of P on the package is the percentage of P2O5 (phosphorous pentoxide) and you need to multiply the percentage shown by .43 to get the actual amount of P in the fertilizer. Similarly, the K level percentage shown is actually the level of K2O ( potassium oxide) and must be multiplied by .83 to arrive at the actual amount of K supplied."

Source document (same as link in post 4 of my journal)

Pretty sure Hydrobuddy compensates for that based an the drop-downs you mention.

 

[HashGirl]

I already resent the email. If they answer , I'll ask. Lol

The rep hasn't been on since Feb.4th.
He said he would get right back to me.

I was going to say that shouldn't 420 Magazine have some sway with unresponsive sponsors? But, it looks like Shed is right on top of it like always.

Oof! I wonder if a word to @Renee Roberts would be helpful in getting some replies. Renee!

 

[MrSauga]

That kind of stuff is above my pay grade, so @Mr. Sauga would be the better person to ask, but without using individual elements you're never going to hit all your targets exactly anyway, so even if you do end up to 5-2-6 it would be considered a win.

It's based on PPM, yes. These are the targets I try and shoot for.
10 parts Nitrogen
1 to 2 parts Phosphorus
10 parts Potassium
5 parts Calcium
2 to 3 parts Magnesium

 

[InTheShed]

Monday update and greetings folks! Nothing much to talk about at this stage of the grow, but I thought I would post a picture and talk about our great sponsor Geopot.

I use Geopots for all of my cannabis and a lot of my pineapples as well, and I have quite a number of them in different sizes. They are much better than the felt ones I used to get from Amazon because they are really heavy duty. The fabric is a hell of a lot tougher than the felt ones which rip and tear and wear out from being dragged around when wet. The Geopots wash well and show no signs of getting thinner after many uses.

And another way I use Geopots is to keep the sun off the black plastic pots I use before they get transplanted into their final homes:

20210322_085024 Spring grow.jpg

• InTheShed
• Mar 22, 2021

Spring grow day 38/36

(L to R: Tin Can Kush 1-2-3, Red Dragon, Candida)

I have two sizes of "1 gallon" black plastic pots, and the 2gal. Geopots fit perfectly around the larger of the two. The 1 gal Geopot is on the Candida in the smaller plastic pot.

I have found that the sun on the black plastic will turn the outer roots brown and unhealthy, making new growth take longer upon transplant. A light colored cloth pot works really well at keeping the soil from getting overheated.

That's it for me today! I hope you all had a good weekend and are getting ready to roll up your sleeves. A lot of folks seem to be making up ways to get the vaccine before they're really eligible, but I don't have that subterfuge in my constitution.

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[Grand Daddy Black]

That's a "cool" bit of info. for young plants in the sun!

 

[Reave]

I have found that the sun on the black plastic will turn the outer roots brown and unhealthy, making new growth take longer upon transplant. A light colored cloth pot works really well at keeping the soil from getting overheated.

Until i read this i had a WTF look on my face, why is he putting geopots around his plastic pots. Hehe. I actually noticed that happaning in the grow tent too. The outer roots of the solo cups do a similar thing.