InTheShed Grows Inside & Out: Jump In Any Time

[MrSauga]

Have a good weekend!

 

[InTheShed]

Have a good weekend!

Thank you MrS! You as well.

 

[MrSauga]

Thank you MrS! You as well.

I will! The plants look great. They got the two thumbs up from me, which only a few ever get.

 

[InTheShed]

 

[BigD13]

Looking good Shed. Is the TCK2 the only one on GeoFlora nutes?

 

[InTheShed]

Looking good Shed. Is the TCK2 the only one on GeoFlora nutes?

It is. When I figure out which one I'm keeping I'll probably switch to that one to GF, if it's not #2!

After we all play the eventual game of guess-the-sex .

 

[Jerry Tyson]

I'm curious how TK2 or the proper successor to TK2 progresses! I had very similar leaf tip nutrient deficiency signs in my GF plant. I'm about a week to 10 days until chop and for me it's been a balancing act of feeding a bit sooner then 2 weeks and supplementing decently heavy with CalMag, I use the same TPS you have 0-0-0. I'll be honest @Grand Daddy Black doesn't appear to have any issues on his CK fed GF plant so maybe it's me? I like to think my plants are just heavier feeders

 

[Jerry Tyson]

A few progression shots GF is on the right (10 gallon pot) and MC on the left (5 gallon pot). For what ever reasons the GF just never seemed to be super happy?

 

[Grand Daddy Black]

A few progression shots GF is on the right (10 gallon pot) and MC on the left (5 gallon pot). For what ever reasons the GF just never seemed to be super happy?

Hey, Jerry. That's really revealing, I think.

In that last pic is the 5gal MC still on the left side? It looks larger than, or at least the same size as, the 10gal plant.

 

[Jerry Tyson]

Yeah, the MC has stayed on the left in the widdle 5 gallon pot. In my opinion the MC beasted past the GF and has out classed it almost every step of the way, even though I tried giving GF an unfair advantage. MC buds also look denser and larger. I will hold my final decision until after it's chopped, dried, cured and tested. My main hold out is perhaps the organic taste will be superior and the quality will show its strengths? Top shot for another comparison. Sorry Shed for jacking your thread , I'll go back to lurking from the distance!

 

[Grand Daddy Black]

Yeah, the MC has stayed on the left in the widdle 5 gallon pot. In my opinion the MC beasted past the GF and has out classed it almost every step of the way, even though I tried giving GF an unfair advantage. MC buds also look denser and larger. I will hold my final decision until after it's chopped, dried, cured and tested. My main hold out is perhaps the organic taste will be superior and the quality will show its strengths? Top shot for another comparison. Sorry Shed for jacking your thread , I'll go back to lurking from the distance!

I doubt that Shed minds hearing this info.

Still, I apologize for posing the question on his thread instead of coming directly to yours.

 

[Jerry Tyson]

And I apologize for not having my own thread LOL. Something I should really start. As long as I’m early enough I can catch Shed while he’s still sleeping on the west coast!

 

[Grand Daddy Black]

And I apologize for not having my own thread LOL. Something I should really start. As long as I’m early enough I can catch Shed while he’s still sleeping on the west coast!

No thread!

I take back my apology, Shed.

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

I will! The plants look great. They got the two thumbs up from me, which only a few ever get.

Like the Paul Hollywood handshake?

 

[InTheShed]

I'm curious how TK2 or the proper successor to TK2 progresses!

Me too! The new growth doesn't have the yellow at the edges, but the yellow at the edges hasn't recovered on the ones that have it. I've been using 3Tbs/1 gallon pot if that sounds right.

feeding a bit sooner then 2 weeks and supplementing decently heavy with CalMag, I use the same TPS you have 0-0-0.

I think @Virgin Ground has been on a two week schedule but she is definitely adding cal-mag as she goes, and hers are doing well. That said, there were your detailed posts in GDB's thread about the correct amount to feed using GeoFlora, because ounces are both liquid and dry measurements, and they seem to be using both in the instructions without distinguishing between them.

What was your final conclusion about amount/gallon pot-size?

In my opinion the MC beasted past the GF and has out classed it almost every step of the way, even though I tried giving GF an unfair advantage. MC buds also look denser and larger. I will hold my final decision until after it's chopped, dried, cured and tested.

That's always the time to do the last analysis, but seeing that one is happier as it goes is a definite consideration.

My main hold out is perhaps the organic taste will be superior and the quality will show its strengths?

As far as I'm aware, organic taste is a myth. A plant cannot tell where the ions it takes up come from. On a molecular level, nitrogen is nitrogen whether it came from a bottle or bat shit.
"There is absolutely no difference between a nitrate molecule from a synthetic source and a nitrate molecule from an organic source. This last fact is hard for the pro organic movement to believe. How can they be the same when organic is so much better?? The fact is that when it comes to providing nutrients for the plants, organic is NOT better. It is exactly the same as a synthetic source."
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Sorry Shed for jacking your thread

Not at all JT! We're here to learn and compare. I appreciate your posting this info here, especially since you don't have your own thread.

And I apologize for not having my own thread LOL. Something I should really start. As long as I’m early enough I can catch Shed while he’s still sleeping on the west coast!

Was definitely sleeping! When you do start your own thread you can still feel comfortable having relevant discussions here. I can't see the need to go into a long back and forth about the difference between GH and AN nute lines (since I use neither), but what's relevant is definitely relevant.

No thread!
I take back my apology, Shed.

LOL!

Like the Paul Hollywood handshake?

Had to look that up, and once I did...

 

[Heavenly Hybrid]

As far as I'm aware, organic taste is a myth. A plant cannot tell where the ions it takes up come from. On a molecular level, nitrogen is nitrogen whether it came from a bottle or bat shit.
"There is absolutely no difference between a nitrate molecule from a synthetic source and a nitrate molecule from an organic source. This last fact is hard for the pro organic movement to believe. How can they be the same when organic is so much better?? The fact is that when it comes to providing nutrients for the plants, organic is NOT better. It is exactly the same as a synthetic source."

I offer up a counter point for consideration, Nebula Haze did a side by side experiment for organics vs synthetics. She did it with the same sets of clone cuttings, same lights, same environment (as much as possible). She sent the final product to the lab for testing and (iirc) the organics buds had higher terpene levels and greater THC percentage. Overall yields were greater for synthetics. Please do correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t terpenes determine flavor levels when smoking?

Had to look that up, and once I did...

Lol! I figured that would be the case, but with a Brit in the house, I thought there might be a chance.

 

[Stunger]

I offer up a counter point for consideration, Nebula Haze did a side by side experiment for organics vs synthetics. She did it with the same sets of clone cuttings, same lights, same environment (as much as possible). She sent the final product to the lab for testing and (iirc) the organics buds had higher terpene levels and greater THC percentage. Overall yields were greater for synthetics. Please do correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t terpenes determine flavor levels when smoking?

Personally, I don't have any experience with synthetics as I only take an organic approach, so I read with interest on whether there is any difference or not. As the logic put forward always seems like there can be no difference at all, but as HH mentioned above, some folk who've tried both, either feel or (in Nebula Haze's case) have tested their output, that their organic grown buds give something more. Like many things before they are apparent, I just wonder if there is something else that is contributing to a difference that isn't yet obvious.

 

[MrSauga]

Like the Paul Hollywood handshake?

Heavenly Hybrid, or HH. Hollywood Handshake, or HH. Hi Paul!

 

[Virgin Ground]

Highya.
Sorry I'm late. I can't seem to stay awake today.

I have been using this chart.

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• Virgin Ground
• Mar 20, 2021

I've been using this with the TPS 0-0-0 cal-mag in all-purpose Pro Mix without any extra amendments.
I have had some issues at transplant that have cause me some delays.
I just harvested my first plant using Geoflora. She has another day of hanging before I trim her up.
I am growing a Charlotte's Web and she seems a bit dark to me. She's growing fine and has no noticable deficiencies despite her spruce-like color.

 

[InTheShed]

I offer up a counter point for consideration, Nebula Haze did a side by side experiment for organics vs synthetics. She did it with the same sets of clone cuttings, same lights, same environment (as much as possible). She sent the final product to the lab for testing and (iirc) the organics buds had higher terpene levels and greater THC percentage. Overall yields were greater for synthetics. Please do correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t terpenes determine flavor levels when smoking?

Terpenes will definitely determine the taste (and effects) of the buds when smoked!

I can't correct you as I haven't done any side-by-side comparisons myself, nor do I think that one (or two) experiments means a lick in terms of science. I can say that I have no idea what Nebula was using to feed the plants or whether she subscribes to the theory that plants need a huge amount of phosphorus in flower and no nitrogen. Without knowing how the synthetic nutes were dealt with, it might be no comparison at all.

All that is to say that LOS or water only (or with some top dressing) has a definite advantage to growing healthy plants, as evidenced by Stunger or Van Stank! The plant will take up exactly what it needs with no burning as long as everything is supplied by the soil. That creates an excellent environment for the plant to produce the best version of itself.

Personally, I don't have any experience with synthetics as I only take an organic approach, so I read with interest on whether there is any difference or not. As the logic put forward always seems like there can be no difference at all, but as HH mentioned above, some folk who've tried both, either feel or (in Nebula Haze's case) have tested their output, that their organic grown buds give something more. Like many things before they are apparent, I just wonder if there is something else that is contributing to a difference that isn't yet obvious.

So much of smoking is subjective that going based on taste is a really iffy method of evaluation. That's what made "when do I start flushing to get rid of nute taste" a thing for so long. But as I mentioned, there are inherent advantages to the plant with LOS. But I still believe that an ion is an ion, as long as we're doing the plants right as we grow them.

Highya.
Sorry I'm late. I can't seem to stay awake today.

I have been using this chart.
I've been using this with the TPS 0-0-0 cal-mag in all-purpose Pro Mix without any extra amendments.
I have had some issues at transplant that have cause me some delays.
I just harvested my first plant using Geoflora. She has another day of hanging before I trim her up.
I am growing a Charlotte's Web and she seems a bit dark to me. She's growing fine and has no noticable deficiencies despite her spruce-like color.

VG! Those are truly lovely plants.

When GF says "in cups" at the bottom, I'm guessing they mean in a liquid measuring cup like the way we measure flour? They really should be giving their measurements in weight since it's a dry product!