Icemud's Breeding Projects And Motherchucking Pollination Extravaganza

Graytail · Jan 2, 2023

That looks kinda familiar. It's the timing. I've been getting that hard fade in some of my plants at about that same time. It looks cal/mag def, but it can't actually be that because in my case it's in the soil and it's in the right proportions. So ... WTF, right? :hmmmm:

I have no idea yet, but I ran across some stuff about ammoniacal nitrogen vs urea, and there might be a clue in there. From the High Brix side, we give a good shot of Cat drench (ammonnia) to switch up the soil charge which shaves mineral ions off the adsorption sites. But the switch in soil charge also messes with the existing ion paths, and can produce that same heavy fade if the adsorption sites aren't full.

Might be a clue in there.

StoneOtter · Jan 2, 2023

Hey Icemud, nice to see you get back to work. I liked my work too and was happy every day to do so! Plants look laden. I wonder what's up with the timing and leaf browning? Whoops I'm dizzy from reading Graytail's post :thedoubletake:

. Why not change something up this year.?

Stunger · Jan 2, 2023

I'm glad you got your vehicle updated and are happy with it, hopefully it goes well for a long time. The fade/deterioration on those plants is a puzzle. Everyone using nutes seems to do well with Cal/Mag which Graytail mentioned. I grow in soil too and I never check for pH or use Cal/Mag, but I hope some small change avails itself to improve things. Hopefully you've get some good seeds, as that strain sounds pretty legendary.

Big Sparks · Jan 2, 2023

Bummer about the leaves browning on you Icemud but on the other hand, it does look like you've successfully made plenty of new seed stock, so i guess there's that. As far as you running some of your own creations...i think that sounds like a great idea! I for one am excited to see what you come up with next! Happy New Year to you and your pops.

Icemud · Jan 3, 2023

Graytail said:
That looks kinda familiar. It's the timing. I've been getting that hard fade in some of my plants at about that same time. It looks cal/mag def, but it can't actually be that because in my case it's in the soil and it's in the right proportions. So ... WTF, right?

I have no idea yet, but I ran across some stuff about ammoniacal nitrogen vs urea, and there might be a clue in there. From the High Brix side, we give a good shot of Cat drench (ammonnia) to switch up the soil charge which shaves mineral ions off the adsorption sites. But the switch in soil charge also messes with the existing ion paths, and can produce that same heavy fade if the adsorption sites aren't full.

Might be a clue in there.

Hey Graytail, sorry to hear you also are experiencing similar problems with the fading. Yeah I am really not sure what is causing it... I thought maybe since now I'm running synthetic fertz, maybe it was a buildup to salts and the EC was zapping the roots, maybe a fungus or bacteria that somehow gets into the roots and kills them, maybe somehow I still am not watering correctly (even though I wait until they actually need it), or I was even thinking maybe it was something like you mentioned above when I feed them nutrient-less feedings where its just water, enzymes and mycos/bacteria, maybe its disturbing the roots/ions.... really not sure and haven't been able to really find an answer for it online yet.

Either way, I got seeds which is good and they are mature so goal accomplished. I just wish the plants looked nice and healthy upon harvest like I used to get when I was running organic/natural soil and amendments.

Hope you had a great holidays! Cheers to a green 2023!

Icemud · Jan 3, 2023

Big Sparks said:
Bummer about the leaves browning on you Icemud but on the other hand, it does look like you've successfully made plenty of new seed stock, so i guess there's that. As far as you running some of your own creations...i think that sounds like a great idea! I for one am excited to see what you come up with next! Happy New Year to you and your pops.

Hey Sparks! I'm definitely excited that this project was a success per getting a lot of seeds and hopefully will have plenty to sort through at a later time for a good g13HP pheno. The one I selected really isn't that good but I may try to re-veg the smaller one (which is much younger) and the terpenes on it were much more interesting, kind of a hashy skunky berry smell.

I did manage to pop a few beans of my creation and one of the ogiesel x 79xmas bud vegging plants is beyond skunky....like that 90s I know what you have in your pocket skunky! really stoked about that one in particular. I will try to get some photos over the next week of my creations in veg.

Hope you had a great holidays and happy new year to you!

Gotta get to work now...

Big Sparks · Jan 3, 2023

Icemud said:
Hey Sparks! I'm definitely excited that this project was a success per getting a lot of seeds and hopefully will have plenty to sort through at a later time for a good g13HP pheno. The one I selected really isn't that good but I may try to re-veg the smaller one (which is much younger) and the terpenes on it were much more interesting, kind of a hashy skunky berry smell.

I did manage to pop a few beans of my creation and one of the ogiesel x 79xmas bud vegging plants is beyond skunky....like that 90s I know what you have in your pocket skunky! really stoked about that one in particular. I will try to get some photos over the next week of my creations in veg.

Hope you had a great holidays and happy new year to you!

Gotta get to work now...

Oh man that O'giesel × 79 X-mas bud sounds like a bad mamma jamma! Ive been a fan of your O'giesel for years now so to hear that you may have some good old school funky skunky bud has me watering at the mouth with anticipation! Lol! Yeah, whenever you get the chance to share some photos and some skunky descriptions of how she smells then i will be all eyes and ears!

Icemud · Jan 3, 2023

Big Sparks said:
Oh man that O'giesel × 79 X-mas bud sounds like a bad mamma jamma! Ive been a fan of your O'giesel for years now so to hear that you may have some good old school funky skunky bud has me watering at the mouth with anticipation! Lol! Yeah, whenever you get the chance to share some photos and some skunky descriptions of how she smells then i will be all eyes and ears!

I can honestly say, that Ogiesel is my night time strain like no other... its rare to find a strain that after 1 or 2 hits, and 5 hours later I wake up to drool all over and a half packed bowl.... So strong. I picked this cut up many many years ago from a clone supplier who no longer is in socal. They always had the most amazing OG's and genetics. I wish they were still around.

Its the 1 strain I can't see myself ever giving up. It definitely has OG kush, and also some bubba kush in it and skunk.

The cross is going to be amazing I hope.... and the way it smells on a stem rub already has me very interested.

Icemud · Jan 3, 2023

Stunger said:
I'm glad you got your vehicle updated and are happy with it, hopefully it goes well for a long time. The fade/deterioration on those plants is a puzzle. Everyone using nutes seems to do well with Cal/Mag which Graytail mentioned. I grow in soil too and I never check for pH or use Cal/Mag, but I hope some small change avails itself to improve things. Hopefully you've get some good seeds, as that strain sounds pretty legendary.

Thank you Stunger! I definitely am very happy with my purchase. I picked up an older but low mile toyota highlander which are known to go 250 to 300k miles so really happy with it... it has a few issues with the exterior paint that I didn't notice when I bought it but found out there is a recall for it so hopefully can get the paint fixed.

Yea the leaf fade is really a doozy, I can't seem to figure out what is causing it. Hopefully I will be able to figure it out soon. I used to never check pH or anything when I was doing organic/natural but ever since I switched over to synthetics I've been checking ph just to make sure that its good to go when feeding. Definitely will figure it out eventually.

I'm really stoked that I got a bunch of seeds and I do think this strain will cross really well into other strains, so should be some good hybrids in the making

Hope you had a wonderful new year and holidays!

Azimuth · Jan 3, 2023

Think a flush might reset the soil?

Big Sparks · Jan 3, 2023

Icemud said:
I can honestly say, that Ogiesel is my night time strain like no other... its rare to find a strain that after 1 or 2 hits, and 5 hours later I wake up to drool all over and a half packed bowl.... So strong. I picked this cut up many many years ago from a clone supplier who no longer is in socal. They always had the most amazing OG's and genetics. I wish they were still around.

Its the 1 strain I can't see myself ever giving up. It definitely has OG kush, and also some bubba kush in it and skunk.

The cross is going to be amazing I hope.... and the way it smells on a stem rub already has me very interested.

I love that really strong indica body buzz for night time or after work chilin meds! Them older cuts of OG Kush used to be my favorite and seem to do it for me every time. I had a Fire OG Kush that i grew from seed back in like 2014 or 2015 and it had that lemon kush fuel and at times skunky funk that i love! My buddy used to run a Master Kush × Skunk from Mr Nice seeds if i recall correctly that was extremely kushy skunk like that bomb weed from back in the early 90's right before they starting calling everything "the Chronic" (maybe it was later in the 90's-2000's) and man oh man that shit was good! I wish i could get my hands on something like that again, id never let it go, or at least try to make s-1's of it or something by reversing a female clone.
*sighs while reminiscing*
We all have those memories of what good weed used to taste like and i think thats the fun in growing is trying to get back to them good old memories.

Icemud · Jan 3, 2023

Azimuth said:
Think a flush might reset the soil?

I've tried it on past grows and it seems like once the leaves die off, the flushing will kill off the plants...

I really think its some kind of root rot or something, or maybe the microbes/mycos bottle I have is bad and its introducing bad bacteria... not sure.

Icemud · Jan 3, 2023

StoneOtter said:
Hey Icemud, nice to see you get back to work. I liked my work too and was happy every day to do so! Plants look laden. I wonder what's up with the timing and leaf browning? Whoops I'm dizzy from reading Graytail's post . Why not change something up this year.?

Hey StoneOtter! Happy holidays and Happy new year 2023!

Yea I'm really stoked with my job, and actually just got a promotion as well which is really awesome! Yea I really don't know why every grow they do this... I'm really starting to think that its something I have been using like my mycos/bacteria bottle of nutrients is bad, or maybe the soil bin that I keep all my soil in is harboring some type of root fungus/bacteria like fusarium wilt or similar... I really am not sure why it always happens late flowering and suddenly too. Its so odd. I think one of these days I may have to chalk it up and just bleach clean everything multiple times, scrub the pots, clean out the soil bin and do a level 1 biohazard cleaning...LOL. I really am not sure. Maybe I need to go back to bigger pots and quit using these 2 gallon ones, although I see plenty of people using 2 gallons or less and having no issues... I will have to figure something out.

Icemud · Jan 4, 2023

So here is a sneak peak at a few of my personal breeding creations, aka "Muddy Genes Beans" I've had this name Muddy Genes for a while but haven't really posted it yet, but eventually if I do take breeding commercial it will be under Muddy Genes

All of these plants are different ages, as I was popping seeds slowly while spaces in my mother/veg tent were opening up as I culled strains or pulled males.

Anyhow here is the 79xmas Bud x Ogiesel I created. One of these is extremely skunky on a stem rub, to the point it really will challenge if my carbon filters work come flowering...

79xmas bud x ogiesel (1).jpg

Icemud
Jan 4, 2023
genetics icemud muddy genes beans pollen chucking strain

79' Xmas Bud x OGiesel, Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

79xmas bud x ogiesel (2).jpg

Icemud
Jan 4, 2023
genetics icemud muddy genes beans pollen chucking strain

79' Xmas Bud x OGiesel, Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

And here is the (GDP x Deep Chunk) x DJ Short Blueberry that I also created. I took a single seed of GDP x Deep Chunk I made in my deep chunk project and ran it about a year or 2 ago and it was absolutely incredible. the Terpenes rivaled that of purple punch where it was like a mouth full of fruit punch candy flavored and the high was a good 50/50 blend of indica/sativa where it definitely was very very potent, but still somewhat functional and cerebral too. I then cloned the single plant of it, and hit it with my DJ Short Blueberry F4 pollen from my blueberry project. I'm pretty stoked to see how this one turns out as the Thai in the blueberry should really add some interesting effects to the high, and the berry flavor almost I am certain should come out strong because of the parents.

GDP x Deep Chunk x DJ Short Blueberry (4).jpg

Icemud
Jan 4, 2023
breeding genetics icemud muddy genes beans pollenchucking strain

(GDP x Deep Chunk) x DJ Short Blueberry Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

GDP x Deep Chunk x DJ Short Blueberry (3).jpg

Icemud
Jan 4, 2023
breeding icemud muddy genes beans pollen chucking

(GDP x Deep Chunk) x DJ Short Blueberry Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

I also just popped 2 seeds of Laniakea which was created by an old 420 magazine member Curso, and the genetics he used stemmed from 2 passed cannabis warriors... Big Irish Dude (BID) who was such an amazing person and a 420 magazine member, and Subcool. BID and Curso were very much huge supporters of mine and friends too, and also taught me tons about growing over 10 years ago when I first joined 420 magazine and was learning to grow.

RIP to BID and Subcool!

Laniakea in Hawaiian I believe translates to "immense heaven" which I think is an incredible name being that some of the genetics used in this are from growers who have passed into the spiritual world now... If my memory serves me correct, Laniakea is (GDP x GSC) which I think BID called purple pussy and then Curso took the Purple Pussy and hit it with a Jack Skellington from TGA/subcools line. I've had these seeds for a long time and I think now is a really good time to pop a couple of them and give thanks and gratitude to those who helped me along the way learn to grow as well as keep their cultivation spirts alive and well. These seeds were just put into water tonight so it may be a few days before they get into soil and sprout.

Well everyone, have a wonderful day!

Graytail · Jan 4, 2023

Love the Lani. That was happening in my early years here.

Big Sparks · Jan 4, 2023

Icemud said:
So here is a sneak peak at a few of my personal breeding creations, aka "Muddy Genes Beans" I've had this name Muddy Genes for a while but haven't really posted it yet, but eventually if I do take breeding commercial it will be under Muddy Genes

All of these plants are different ages, as I was popping seeds slowly while spaces in my mother/veg tent were opening up as I culled strains or pulled males.

Anyhow here is the 79xmas Bud x Ogiesel I created. One of these is extremely skunky on a stem rub, to the point it really will challenge if my carbon filters work come flowering...

79xmas bud x ogiesel (1).jpg

Icemud

Jan 4, 2023

genetics icemud muddy genes beans pollen chucking strain

79' Xmas Bud x OGiesel, Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

79xmas bud x ogiesel (2).jpg

Icemud

Jan 4, 2023

genetics icemud muddy genes beans pollen chucking strain

79' Xmas Bud x OGiesel, Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

And here is the (GDP x Deep Chunk) x DJ Short Blueberry that I also created. I took a single seed of GDP x Deep Chunk I made in my deep chunk project and ran it about a year or 2 ago and it was absolutely incredible. the Terpenes rivaled that of purple punch where it was like a mouth full of fruit punch candy flavored and the high was a good 50/50 blend of indica/sativa where it definitely was very very potent, but still somewhat functional and cerebral too. I then cloned the single plant of it, and hit it with my DJ Short Blueberry F4 pollen from my blueberry project. I'm pretty stoked to see how this one turns out as the Thai in the blueberry should really add some interesting effects to the high, and the berry flavor almost I am certain should come out strong because of the parents.

GDP x Deep Chunk x DJ Short Blueberry (4).jpg

Icemud

Jan 4, 2023

breeding genetics icemud muddy genes beans pollenchucking strain

(GDP x Deep Chunk) x DJ Short Blueberry Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

GDP x Deep Chunk x DJ Short Blueberry (3).jpg

Icemud

Jan 4, 2023

breeding icemud muddy genes beans pollen chucking

(GDP x Deep Chunk) x DJ Short Blueberry Strain created by Icemud and Muddy Genes Beans

I also just popped 2 seeds of Laniakea which was created by an old 420 magazine member Curso, and the genetics he used stemmed from 2 passed cannabis warriors... Big Irish Dude (BID) who was such an amazing person and a 420 magazine member, and Subcool. BID and Curso were very much huge supporters of mine and friends too, and also taught me tons about growing over 10 years ago when I first joined 420 magazine and was learning to grow.

RIP to BID and Subcool!

Laniakea in Hawaiian I believe translates to "immense heaven" which I think is an incredible name being that some of the genetics used in this are from growers who have passed into the spiritual world now... If my memory serves me correct, Laniakea is (GDP x GSC) which I think BID called purple pussy and then Curso took the Purple Pussy and hit it with a Jack Skellington from TGA/subcools line. I've had these seeds for a long time and I think now is a really good time to pop a couple of them and give thanks and gratitude to those who helped me along the way learn to grow as well as keep their cultivation spirts alive and well. These seeds were just put into water tonight so it may be a few days before they get into soil and sprout.

Well everyone, have a wonderful day!

The Lani sounds really great! And i think i remember Curso. But i definitely remember Big Irish Dude and when he passed...may he rest easy. He was really a larger than life guy and extremely friendly and helpful to even me, and im sure all others. The name is definitely fitting of the Lani, and being crossed to almost anything by Sub (RIP) should make for some flavorful fire! You're good man Icemud for helping the legacy of these past legends of 420 to live on through the genetics in wich they were such a big part of creating, crossing, and preserving. You are now carrying the torch so to speak and can think of nothing better than to see these and other older meets newer crosses being released back into the world under the Muddy Genetics banner. Very very thoughtful and so cool of you.
I know ive said it before with the O'geisel crosses and selfies you've made and hearing about this GDP × Deepchunk crossed to DJ's Blueberry just sounds friggin awesome man! And makes my mouth water thinking of all the potential hidden gems waiting to be discovered. You have a way of crossing lines that seem like they would compliment each other at the same time preserve these all star genetics in a way that ive never gotten around to doing but that ive often thought. Keep up the great work and keep up the good fight.
I think you are on the verge of finding some really special plants in the very near future. You have all of my attention and I am truly honored to be sharing in your search for genetic treasures. But before i go on sounding too corny or like a weird stalker, ill rap this up and just say thank you for taking the time to share and allow us to be apart of your adventures in growing.
Nothing but respect for Icemud.
Im out. Sparks.

✌

Mr. Krip · Jan 4, 2023

Wait! Are you actually going to do a grow for buds and not just seeds? :thedoubletake:

I'm definitely watching this one, especially with those genetics! :popcorn:

Great to see you still going at it strong, Brother! :high-five:

Icemud · Jan 6, 2023

Day 71 flowering (Harvest day).

Well I harvested about 1/2 of the ladies last night, cut them and hung them to dry. The other half of the plants I will be doing the same to over the weekend.

Overall I think this project was a success but we will find out once the plants dry and I start harvesting seeds.

As far as the 88G13HP... Overall it was a very easy to please plant for the most part, a nice medium sized hybrid type structure with short-medium internode lengths on the buds. The buds filled in quite nicely and I imagine in a different grow setting this strain would generate big spears. I think it would be an excellent outdoor plant as the stems and structure are very sturdy, and its not too lanky or whispy. Overall I definitely can see why this strain is legendary and it really makes me think some of the crosses are going to be amazing.

In this project I only had 2 females, and used 3 males as pollen donors. I can honestly say that the 3 males put out more pollen than any others strains I have bred with, it was COATED on everything, thickly! The 2 females, one as very mature at the time of flowering and one was just a very young sprout so that will show in the photos as why one is only about 1' tall and the other is about 3 1/2' tall. Pheno 2 is the young short one, Pheno 3 is the long older one.

Pheno 2- This pheno was very young compared to the other plants and only had a few weeks of veg before flowering. The trichome production on this phenos was amazing, and the sugar leaves were coated and sticky. The terpene strength was also very good and probably a 7.5 out of 10. The terpenes themselves were strong fresh tire rubber with a hint of garlic and armpit but mostly rubber. I will be re-vegging this pheno as I think this is the select pheno for future breeding and crosses.