Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Pots!

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

Hey Ice...gotcha pal...I'm gonna keep an eye out here if that's cool brotha. Like your style!

Fa show Duggan!! Glad to have ya Always cool to stop by and say high "icemud's journal, always cool" hahah

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

Here are a couple photos of the young tangies in veg

 

[CronicHempHog]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

Next round

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

Day 50 flowering!!!!!!!

Well I started off today with some repotting of my Tangie vegging babies since they were overgrowing the party cups I had them in. I have premixed and cooking soil in a large 100 gallon rubbermaid bin, which I just recycle and re-amend every time I finish up a grow. I am using 3 gallon plastic pots for their new home and these most likely will be their home for the remainder of their life, however I may upgrade them to 5 gallons if I decide to put them in my larger tent, there in my 3rd smaller 2x4 tent currently.

After filling up the 3 gallon pots with soil I made room for the cup sized root ball by using my little gardening spade. Then I lined the hole with 2 types of mycos (biovam from T and J and also Growology 1 which is humic acid and mycos). I then placed the girls rootball into the soil and gave them each 2 cups of plain R/O water.

I also gave the girls a foliar feeding of cold pressed seaweed, fulvic acid, vitamin b, pgr and yucca extract and added some SNS pest control and spinosad for preventive measures.

In the photos the girls leaves look a little wilty and this was because they were at the end of their daylight schedule and getting ready for rest. Tomorrow at sun up they will be perky again. (running them on 18/6 right now).

As for my flowering tent.... well... its a story of life and death. I decided after some very hard consideration to cull my harlequin plant. It was a hard decision but the more I thought about it, already the genetic potential has been messed up because of all the nutrient issues, and I didn't really feel like extending my flowering time for another month to see if anything happens. I also didn't see myself spending hours trimming hundreds of grape sized buds, most were actually smaller than that. So based on all that above, I culled her today.

I figured giving my other 2 plants some room to sprall and get more spread of light hitting the lower buds would really fill them out as well as allow better airflow and light penetration so overall I think it was the right decision.

The black cherry cola and ogiesel are looking really good and I think probably another 2-3 weeks and they should be ready for harvest

Getting close

Upon culling my harlequin I removed the pot and dumped it back into my soil bin, adding some amendments which included alfalfa meal, calcium carbonate, soil lime (for the raised MG needs of LED), greensand for slow K release, and azomite as well as some micos and worm castings.... It will cook until next time I need soil.


Well other than that, nothing else at the moment to report on. Here are some photos to enjoy

In Memory of my harlequin:

The tent with only 2 plants now (Ogiesel and Black Cherry Soda)

 

[Bamalabrat]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I know that was a tough choice ICE. Your other two ladies are looking quite nice though, and I love the pics of the next generation. Hopefully some really nice buds in your future buddy.

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I know that was a tough choice ICE. Your other two ladies are looking quite nice though, and I love the pics of the next generation. Hopefully some really nice buds in your future buddy.

Yeah it was a hard choice which I debated for weeks, but the more I thought about it, I thought, there is always a next time since I still have the genetics would rather be happy with the grow gotta keep the vibe positive cause the plants love it happy weekend Bamalabrat!

 

[SweetSue]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

Here are a couple photos of the young tangies in veg

May I ask you to get some shots of the roots when you transplant? My start was in no-till - you drop the seed into the pot you'll finish in and never dig anything up. No transplanting. Lately I'm asking myself if I'm crazy for exploring any other approach. Seriously. I went back and read my first journal and I'm wondering.

The thing is, I think the Kit gives me the best chance at growing the Sativa high I'm looking for, so I'm pretty determined to learn all this. Maybe I just enjoy the challenge, but I'm determined. So part of that learning process is figuring out when to transplant before they get root bound. I notice yours are much larger than the first ones I just transplanted. How old are they?

You see why pictures could be helpful to the of us not as skilled as you. If we lived down the street I'd be visiting with food gifts to gain your favor so I could just watch. Where's a transporter pad when you need one? They are beautiful little ones Icemud. This whole post got my blood pumping faster and plastered this stupid grin on my face. I'm gonna learn to grow them like that.

 

[SweetSue]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I read the second installment and see I missed that window of opportunity. Maybe a future transplant?

You sure do grow pretty buds Icemud. Those two plants are sucking up all that light.

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

May I ask you to get some shots of the roots when you transplant? My start was in no-till - you drop the seed into the pot you'll finish in and never dig anything up. No transplanting. Lately I'm asking myself if I'm crazy for exploring any other approach. Seriously. I went back and read my first journal and I'm wondering.

The thing is, I think the Kit gives me the best chance at growing the Sativa high I'm looking for, so I'm pretty determined to learn all this. Maybe I just enjoy the challenge, but I'm determined. So part of that learning process is figuring out when to transplant before they get root bound. I notice yours are much larger than the first ones I just transplanted. How old are they?

You see why pictures could be helpful to the of us not as skilled as you. If we lived down the street I'd be visiting with food gifts to gain your favor so I could just watch. Where's a transporter pad when you need one? They are beautiful little ones Icemud. This whole post got my blood pumping faster and plastered this stupid grin on my face. I'm gonna learn to grow them like that.

Hey SweetSue!

Happy Friday, well Saturday now...

I'm sorry that I got to your post after I had already transplanted. I actually was thinking while doing it, "I should take some photos of the rootball so anyone that is curious can see" and I didn't because I was dirty and sweaty and didn't want to get it on my phone... Now that I see the photos would have been useful, Next time I definitely will take note.

As far as being rootbound and how to tell, I don't really have a set technique to share with you. I just sort of got used to the pots I've grown in a for a while so typically I know when they need to be transplanted. Sometimes an indicator I use is that they are sucking up water very fast, like dry within 24 hours, but not really growing much more, almost as they slow down. This typically is a sign to me personally that they may need larger pots, but I've never really looked into it a whole lot. With the cups and my little ones, I was able to tell when the cups needed water every day and the soil felt light, and also had 2 more experienced growers with seedlings give me a hint it was time.

You asked how old they were? Well I don't have an exact date or record but I would estimate about 3 weeks to 1 month from when the seeds were dropped into the soil in the cups.

I will have to read up on "no-till" more to really understand it. I took about an hour one night and watched some youtube videos, but it was more from the origin of "no-till" which is more from big agriculture and farms. I couldn't really find too many videos at the time to learn more about how it applies to indoor potted plants. From what I gather, its a farming technique that basically leaves the ground as is, no turning or tilling of the soil each year. The purpose being that the soil when undisturbed for years holds onto moisture and nutrients better absorbing them instead of letting them run off. That is what I gathered when using the "no-till" method in farming. I couldn't see though how this would apply to plants indoors in containers since our cycle is short and they are in pots. I will definitely have to read more about it though as I am always curious to learn more.

I enjoy the challenge too, and as much as I think I know, there is 1000x more to learn and better my skills. Thats why I love the forums and internet because it allows easy access to this info that 20 years ago you would basically have to know a guy, who knows a guy, whos cool with giving away info..LOL. Now its everywhere, and the problem is finding the good info

 

[SweetSue]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

There's another popular grower site, that city of grass? They've got a "No-till Gardening" thread that's been ongoing for a couple years, made up of a band of growers who've been migrating through a few sites to finally settle in where they are now. They are the experts at the indoor application of LOS as used for cannabis cultivation. They've pretty much made it a science. I go there to mine information to bring here. There are a couple of our own LOS team that do the same.

Our home here at 420 Magazine is much more neighborly, if you know what I mean. The simplicity of the Clackamas Coots recipe COorganics introduced me to right after I arrived in the neighborhood - the soil base that group of no-till gardeners uses - was what drew me. The recipe essentially eliminates any concern for deficiencies and sets the soil up for regular minimal amendments that serve to enrich the soil solution in a way that keeps the entire pot in marvelous balance for you. You build the soil and regularly amend with just 8-10 different amendments, surround the plants with light, give them easy access to water (SWICK) and harvest sweet, resinous buds that will knock your socks off, guaranteed. You should flash read my first journal. Those were some exciting plants when they finally got their roots going. My no-till is finishing off its third cycle with a Cheese Candy that I should have killed but which instead is going to reward me with the best harvest from my first run in this tent, a grow marred by my husband's death in the middle of the cycle.

As I reread that, I'm once again asking myself why I bother with any other soil mix, Kit included. My no-till already grows HB product without any fussing around with measurements and ratios. My brain is going to keep fighting me on this I'm afraid. I keep telling that whiny voice to chill for a while as I become more familiar with the Kit and learn to make it sing like Graytail does. She can be something of a shrill when she doesn't make me jump right away. I really want to get Carnival to harvest in Kit soil before I make any judgements, and right behind Carnival will be a Jamaican Dream and then..... Yeah, I think I'll be playing with the Kit at least a year. By that time my no-till will be up canned from the current 7 gallons to the 15 gallon pot I have sitting here unused, making it even more potent.

Got to get out the door for my walk to the labyrinth. It's been nice visiting. Have a wonderful rest of your day.

Later.

 

[Duggan]

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Mornin Ice...too bad about the cull. Sounds like it was a difficult choice, but also sounds like you made the right one.Cheers eh and have a great day my brotha!

 

[Heirloom]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I don't even like culling males, lol, much much less a flowering female. But it had to be done. Glad it was you and not me that had to decide.

Looking good IceMud

 

[CronicHempHog]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I gotta ask what would everyone consider root bound?
as you can grow a pretty big plant in a tiny pot and it can practically fill the little pot with roots solid
some people consider root bound once they see roots on the edges
for me root bound would be I pull the plant out of the pot and I just got one ball of roots
im just wondering
and sue I gotta say starting in a cup and transplanting would be kind of an opinion matter but yet not
like autos people say don't transplant ok fine
photo plants can be transplanted and might be better heres the why this is what I have noticed
starting from a solo cup and starting in a 3 gallon pot
the 3 gallon pot takes longer to dry out causing issues just because the soil stays moist too long especially under led's
a solo cup would dry out faster causing the roots to want to stretch out and look for more moisture will have to water more but the plant will grow faster as the 3 gallon pot would stay wetter longer the roots wont stretch out as fast the plant wil grow slower
doesn't seem like it makes sense but the plants roots don't stretch out if it doesn't need too

 

[Heirloom]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I do solo cups both because of the dry cycle ability and space/portability from indoor to out. Portability may not be an issue for a lot of people, though space almost always is. Plus, several solo cups can go in 1020 trays with dome lids.

Rootbound is somewhere between roots just touching the edge of the pot (still a lot of soil visible), and maybe 25% coverage in roots. I consider anything beyond 25% to be bound.

Fabric pots are a different animal all together and not sure I would ever really consider them bound, but more like too dense/matted.

 

[Duggan]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

Hey gang...interesting chat. With my 26 gal. home made rootbuilder pots they need to be watered every three to four days .It's cool when they get dryer cuz when you lightly beat on the top like a drum, it sounds like one , do to all the air in the root mass. When alot of the moister gets used up, our soil gets very airy and light.That's why using the weight of the pot as a "guide" to when to water is so effective with smaller pots. You can't go wrong using that method. Cheers eh, goin for a Stella.

 

[SweetSue]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I gotta ask what would everyone consider root bound?
as you can grow a pretty big plant in a tiny pot and it can practically fill the little pot with roots solid
some people consider root bound once they see roots on the edges
for me root bound would be I pull the plant out of the pot and I just got one ball of roots
im just wondering
and sue I gotta say starting in a cup and transplanting would be kind of an opinion matter but yet not
like autos people say don't transplant ok fine
photo plants can be transplanted and might be better heres the why this is what I have noticed
starting from a solo cup and starting in a 3 gallon pot
the 3 gallon pot takes longer to dry out causing issues just because the soil stays moist too long especially under led's
a solo cup would dry out faster causing the roots to want to stretch out and look for more moisture will have to water more but the plant will grow faster as the 3 gallon pot would stay wetter longer the roots wont stretch out as fast the plant wil grow slower
doesn't seem like it makes sense but the plants roots don't stretch out if it doesn't need too

Excellent points Cronic. Thanks.

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

There's another popular grower site, that city of grass? They've got a "No-till Gardening" thread that's been ongoing for a couple years, made up of a band of growers who've been migrating through a few sites to finally settle in where they are now. They are the experts at the indoor application of LOS as used for cannabis cultivation. They've pretty much made it a science. I go there to mine information to bring here. There are a couple of our own LOS team that do the same.

Our home here at 420 Magazine is much more neighborly, if you know what I mean. The simplicity of the Clackamas Coots recipe COorganics introduced me to right after I arrived in the neighborhood - the soil base that group of no-till gardeners uses - was what drew me. The recipe essentially eliminates any concern for deficiencies and sets the soil up for regular minimal amendments that serve to enrich the soil solution in a way that keeps the entire pot in marvelous balance for you. You build the soil and regularly amend with just 8-10 different amendments, surround the plants with light, give them easy access to water (SWICK) and harvest sweet, resinous buds that will knock your socks off, guaranteed. You should flash read my first journal. Those were some exciting plants when they finally got their roots going. My no-till is finishing off its third cycle with a Cheese Candy that I should have killed but which instead is going to reward me with the best harvest from my first run in this tent, a grow marred by my husband's death in the middle of the cycle.

As I reread that, I'm once again asking myself why I bother with any other soil mix, Kit included. My no-till already grows HB product without any fussing around with measurements and ratios. My brain is going to keep fighting me on this I'm afraid. I keep telling that whiny voice to chill for a while as I become more familiar with the Kit and learn to make it sing like Graytail does. She can be something of a shrill when she doesn't make me jump right away. I really want to get Carnival to harvest in Kit soil before I make any judgements, and right behind Carnival will be a Jamaican Dream and then..... Yeah, I think I'll be playing with the Kit at least a year. By that time my no-till will be up canned from the current 7 gallons to the 15 gallon pot I have sitting here unused, making it even more potent.

Got to get out the door for my walk to the labyrinth. It's been nice visiting. Have a wonderful rest of your day.

Later.

Hey SweetSue!

Thank you for the explanation of No-Till and the resources for information. I actually am a member over there as well, and also keep a journal, but still prefer the members, forum format here


I very much appreciate the information and looks like I have some reading ahead of me Not sure if I will change my methods as my overall results are amazing and I'm still tweaking it to get it right, but I may even experiement with both in the near future too and see which result in the end I prefer. I still have to use Doc's kit too, been wanting to give it a try for a while, just haven't had the money to buy it and also feel bad dumping all the soil that I have had for like 2 years now. I took the educated guessing approach to high brix, which so far has given me excellent results and quite a few times have hit over 20brix just now have to tweak it so that plant health carries through the whole cycle

I will also have to read up on the SWICK method as Ive seen it mentioned a couple times but have no clue what it is my buess would be a water wick type setup which actually would probably help improve my watering so I definitely will have to read on that as well.

Everytime I feel like I am getting familiar with all the common growing knowledge... I find things like Swick and NoTill to keep me learning and experimenting I love growing and everything that goes along with it... only time until I can get a bigger setup, and an outdooor environment to setup a veggie garden

Thanks again SweetSue for giving me a reason to stay up late all next week..hahaha j/k I love reading about growing


*****EDIT
Upon re-reading this post I noticed that I came up with a new word "Buess" which is my high combination of Best Guess...haha Word of the day...buess hahahahahah good GSC

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

Mornin Ice...too bad about the cull. Sounds like it was a difficult choice, but also sounds like you made the right one.Cheers eh and have a great day my brotha!

Hey Duggan!!!

Yea, It was unfortunate but overall I think it was my best choice.... just couldn't see myself sitting for hours trimming dime sized buds to maybe get 1oz... So instead, all the buds and leaves were ripped off and put into my cooking soil for composting... stems disposed of.

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I gotta ask what would everyone consider root bound?
as you can grow a pretty big plant in a tiny pot and it can practically fill the little pot with roots solid
some people consider root bound once they see roots on the edges
for me root bound would be I pull the plant out of the pot and I just got one ball of roots
im just wondering
and sue I gotta say starting in a cup and transplanting would be kind of an opinion matter but yet not
like autos people say don't transplant ok fine
photo plants can be transplanted and might be better heres the why this is what I have noticed
starting from a solo cup and starting in a 3 gallon pot
the 3 gallon pot takes longer to dry out causing issues just because the soil stays moist too long especially under led's
a solo cup would dry out faster causing the roots to want to stretch out and look for more moisture will have to water more but the plant will grow faster as the 3 gallon pot would stay wetter longer the roots wont stretch out as fast the plant wil grow slower
doesn't seem like it makes sense but the plants roots don't stretch out if it doesn't need too

Great Question Cronic...

Well I guess my brains definition of root bound would be when you pull the roots and its a pretty much solid root ball where the main thick roots are long and circling around the pot, and a majority of the space in between is filled with tiny roots. I noticed that the plants usually at this point need a lot of water very frequently, and the growth seems to stunt or slow.

I really don't use "root ball" or anything as an indicator for transplant, and for me, personally transplant is more about plant cycle time/phase, grow style and growth area available. Like for instance, most of the plants I currently am flowering, were acutally in 5 gallon square pots for like 6 months or more before I gave them the larger smartpots for flowering. For keeping them as mothers, the dense roots actually provided as a slight benefit slowing growth in veg stage as I was waiting for room to flower them in my other tent however as a disadvantage, I have also lost a few strains due to rootballing and not watering in time.

my process pretty much is clone in root riot plugs, to 2-3 gallon plastic round pots, then transplanted to 5 gallon plastics for either flowering or extended veg, once the plants reach about 18" to 2'. Recently I added the #10 smartpots which is the last home before the flowering flip

 

[Icemud]

Re: Icemud's Advanced LED XTE Grow - Harlequin - Ogiesel - Black Cherry Cola - Big Po

I don't even like culling males, lol, much much less a flowering female. But it had to be done. Glad it was you and not me that had to decide.

Looking good IceMud

Yea I hate killing the plants, as I feel they should somehow be given the chance to keep going but in the same with limited space, only the strong survive

Yea it was a tough choice, but what made it easy was having another in veg ready to go... if it was the last cut of my plants...I would have been in tears..lol