All I have is results, this pic was taken 5 weeks into flower with no pH adjustments, no flushing just mindful of what my plants are telling me
Hydrosalts and Organic Soil - Bad Practice or Perpetuated Rumor?
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FairyFHaroman
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Re: "Hydrosalts" and Organic Soil, Bad Practice or Perpetuated Rumor?
Yay, good to know
Yay, good to know
FairyFHaroman
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Sooo prettyyy
FairyFHaroman
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All I have is results, this pic was taken 5 weeks into flower with no pH adjustments, no flushing just mindful of what my plants are telling me
Soooo prettyyy
FairyFHaroman
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Re: "Hydrosalts" and Organic Soil, Bad Practice or Perpetuated Rumor?
I 2nd that motion
I 2nd that motion
JohnnyWonder
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As stated by some of the above, i am also not an expert. But from what i have read
Ph up(hydroxyl ion (OH-) + PH down(Hydrogen ion (H+)=H20
with the only extra byproducts of the reaction being several ions of Phosphorus and Potassium...
So my question would be, since we add those elements for nutrients anyway, how could they be damaging any important active beneficials? Wouldn't these beneficials not be able to survive anywhere near a nutrient balanced solution?
Water is actually amphoteric, meaning that is can release H+ protons or OH- ions by the Arrhenius definition as well as by the Bronstead-Lowery definition (an acid is a proton (H+) donor and a base is a proton (H+) acceptor) of acids and bases (there is one other definition of acids and bases, the Lewis definition). H2O can accept a H+ proton and become hydronium, H3O+, which is used to calculate the pH, or power of hydrogen.
According to Dr. Elaine Ingham, one of the leading soil scientists and in the book that she gave a forward to, Teaming with Microbes, the pH in the rhizoshpere will vary from around 4 to 11 as there are different beneficial microbes all along the the roots and in this way, they will make all necessary nutrients available to your plants. So while pH of the soil can be important, healthy soil will take care of itself and many different microbes will thrive will require drastically different pH's to thrive in.
I highly recommend reading Teaming with Microbes and Teaming with Nutrients as well as checking out Dr. Ingham's lectures on YouTube.
Just thought I'd throw my two cents in here.
JohnnyWonder
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Aloha Cannabinerd! Great post and thanks for the info which was what my gut was telling me. I am studying to be a chemist and have realized that "organic", especially certified organic, is largely an entitlement program that is exploiting people's gullibility and ignorance.
While I believe that the natural way of farming is best, sometimes plants have deficiencies that cannot be readily solved due to lack of natural bioregional resources and so one must purchase an amendment. The most important thing when considering non-organic fertilizers are the other compounds it may contain. Whether organic or non-organic, the product still has to be transported, generally from far away to where we are. Due to the high concentration of synthetic fertilizers, I would imagine that if one were to choose one without the "bad" other stuff, that it would actually be more environmentally friendly due to the lower carbon footprint of the product (it is concentrated so it goes much further, needing less to be trucked, so much so that I would say that the transport as well as the processing carbon costs is still lower than for organic products bought and sold). The main problem with synthetics is that it is so easy to over-apply them, especially for new people. Harley Smith uses a combo of organics and synthetics in the NPK Industries RAW line and swears that he doesn't even flush despite everyone telling him what a great job he did flushing. That is bc he feeds his plants medicinally in a way that they pretty much have only what they need. Also, only certain nutrients attribute to the bad tastes while others will actually enhance flavor and aroma.
As a chemist, I really like this approach. I do believe in only spraying organic sprays, with the exception of nitrates. Even organics can be bad for you if improperly applied. Leaves convert nitrates into carcinogenic nitrites. Not sure if this only affects a person who eats the leaves or if the nitrites will survive in the plant through flowering, but it's best not to chance it. Also, many organic sprays come with warnings of suiting up etc and not to get it on one's skin. DiPel, a strain of Bt bacteria, is organic and comes with warnings up the wazoo.
OK, I'm off topic here, so will end and thank you again for your pursuit of knowledge for the benefit of all
While I believe that the natural way of farming is best, sometimes plants have deficiencies that cannot be readily solved due to lack of natural bioregional resources and so one must purchase an amendment. The most important thing when considering non-organic fertilizers are the other compounds it may contain. Whether organic or non-organic, the product still has to be transported, generally from far away to where we are. Due to the high concentration of synthetic fertilizers, I would imagine that if one were to choose one without the "bad" other stuff, that it would actually be more environmentally friendly due to the lower carbon footprint of the product (it is concentrated so it goes much further, needing less to be trucked, so much so that I would say that the transport as well as the processing carbon costs is still lower than for organic products bought and sold). The main problem with synthetics is that it is so easy to over-apply them, especially for new people. Harley Smith uses a combo of organics and synthetics in the NPK Industries RAW line and swears that he doesn't even flush despite everyone telling him what a great job he did flushing. That is bc he feeds his plants medicinally in a way that they pretty much have only what they need. Also, only certain nutrients attribute to the bad tastes while others will actually enhance flavor and aroma.
As a chemist, I really like this approach. I do believe in only spraying organic sprays, with the exception of nitrates. Even organics can be bad for you if improperly applied. Leaves convert nitrates into carcinogenic nitrites. Not sure if this only affects a person who eats the leaves or if the nitrites will survive in the plant through flowering, but it's best not to chance it. Also, many organic sprays come with warnings of suiting up etc and not to get it on one's skin. DiPel, a strain of Bt bacteria, is organic and comes with warnings up the wazoo.
OK, I'm off topic here, so will end and thank you again for your pursuit of knowledge for the benefit of all