Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

[Heirloom]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

what means this?

Good question. I have always taken it to mean scared or run like a rabbit. Hare...rabbit....

Thanks BID, I'm around, just dropping the neon signs.

if i understand correctly...congrats on making it =D
definatly stick around, even if it means making a clean forum account with no pictures or grow evidence linked to it

Thanks brother.

 

[Heirloom]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

i just got some blue dream clones and noticed a couple of my more sativa strains look like they wanna flower under glr as much as i love it i may have to go back to 18/6 at least till the sativas are in flower, seems to be just the sativa strains that have issues with glr, my other strains love it, well come visit at least

Yeah, I have noticed similar tendencies in all my sativa dominants. So to make it easy on myself (and the sativas!) I just standardized on 18/6 for all.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

Good question. I have always taken it to mean scared or run like a rabbit. Hare...rabbit....

Thanks BID, I'm around, just dropping the neon signs.





Thanks brother.

got it ok good thing well its uber important to keep ourselves safe, there are unscrupulous individuals that would do bad things, unfortunately, im glad to know your doing good,

Yeah, I have noticed similar tendencies in all my sativa dominants. So to make it easy on myself (and the sativas!) I just standardized on 18/6 for all.

yeah i have come to the conclusion that anything 50% and more sativa does not fare as well under glr ,which is a total bummer to me and right now ive been getting into more sativas , i love how my indicas do seems the more indica the better it does i think it has to to with most the sativas geographical origins coming from locations with longer/shorter days and such the purple power strain i have going can flower under 24hours of light if its weak fluros once the flower response it triggered to reveg and clones i have to do stronger light and 24/0 sched and its a 50/50 indo sati hybrid, but a lovely strain that makes concrete like buds under moderate light, but ya gotz ta do what works

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

1) Were Anna & Bonnie from seed?

2) Switching to GLR takes a bit more that a week or two... Some plants, as I stated before go into a faux flower... this is EXPECTED when changing, and they will recover. If GLR is continued, the full 9 to 11 blade fans come back. This also makes me question the PAR from the lights. what lights are you vegging under, and how old?

I have a friend that grows nothing but Blue Dream and Big Bang and uses GLR exclusively... sooo.... yeah...

3) Good call on the DWC cost of operation.

4) Very much agreed. And on top of that, you get stellar customer service from Corey.

 

[Heirloom]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

Hi there jandre2k3!

1) Were Anna & Bonnie from seed? No, clones received at random

2) Switching to GLR takes a bit more that a week or two... Some plants, as I stated before go into a faux flower... this is EXPECTED when changing, and they will recover. If GLR is continued, the full 9 to 11 blade fans come back. This also makes me question the PAR from the lights. what lights are you vegging under, and how old? They had been in it for months, since I got them. I used a T5 5 ft (not 4ft) 8 bulb. Each is bulb is 80Watts so total is 640watts of 6500K. Distance is less than a foot. Hashplant Haze preflowered and grew normal. Grapefruit preflowered then grew well in GLR, very dense foliage and interdodes. My Blue Dream just hates it. Big Bang and SLH are from seed and may be stunted from old stock, bad storage...who knows. SLH did change and grow better/faster after switching to 18/6

I have a friend that grows nothing but Blue Dream and Big Bang and uses GLR exclusively... sooo.... yeah...Glad it works out for your friend. Not in my enviro with some of my phenos.

3) Good call on the DWC cost of operation. Thanks

4) Very much agreed. And on top of that, you get stellar customer service from Corey.Very true!

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

Hi there jandre2k3!
No, clones received at random

They had been in it for months, since I got them. I used a T5 5 ft (not 4ft) 8 bulb. Each is bulb is 80Watts so total is 640watts of 6500K. Distance is less than a foot. Hashplant Haze preflowered and grew normal. Grapefruit preflowered then grew well in GLR, very dense foliage and interdodes. My Blue Dream just hates it. Big Bang and SLH are from seed and may be stunted from old stock, bad storage...who knows. SLH did change and grow better/faster after switching to 18/6

Glad it works out for your friend. Not in my enviro with some of my phenos.

Thanks

Very true!

Hmmm... That's new data to add to the mix... An anomaly as compared to the rest. If you please, I need more data:

Style of grow, all nutes, additives, airflow, etc...​

The more complete, the better. I'll make an extra entry about it. Thank you.

 

[GigaGrew]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

haha Heirloom, you have woken up JD's geek brain...hope you got enough food for it, cos its hungry now

 

[Heirloom]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

All of my BD originated from one single plant I was given. Unknown background on it. It was super lanky and shretchy and was in about a solo cup sized pot with a decent soil mix when I got it, so I put it in Pro-mix Bx in a 1 gallon smart pot. I took 3 cuttings from it and then let that original stay outside for a while since daylight was enough at the time. The 3 cuttings rooted fast and once root were put in coco 1/2 gallon smart(er) pots. With successful clones I let the original flower outdoors. Nutrients for all up to this point were BPN 2 part and liquid blue and I used BPN's feeding schedule. Light for the clones was the Sun for about 11h hours then supplement with, at first, 4x 100w 'equivalent' 6000k CFL's, as close as I dared. After a week they were in the 640w T5 for supplemental. I took 6 cuttings total from the 3 in coco after they vegged enough. Those six saw the same GLR through veg and are flowering now. Then weeks later another round of cuttings from the 3 original cuttings. This time I have added the rest of BPN's line. So now it's everything on the current 2 part...vitablue, liquid seaweed, early bloomer, liquid blue and root magic. More/better vigorous growth, lush, dense and very green, but still giving 3 pinnates at best. And the pinnates are disproportional. The center one is huge, any others are proportionally tiny.

Now everything is green housed. Everything gets Sun/T5 supplement combo on an 18/6 schedule. Switched two weeks ago when I took another BD round. These will not see GLR. 24h until rooted, 18/6 then 12/12. We'll see what they do. Same equipment, different schedule.

Also keep in mind Hashplant Haze is right along next to BD. It's 70/30 S/I, and doing great. Grapefruit is too Indica to compare.

Hope there is some useful info there. All I can figure is the lighting routine. Whether it was the Sun/floro combo, or 12-1, they are stressed out about it. Two weeks into 18/6 I have seen no complaints, actually Grapefruit exploded in growth. My next BD round is hardening off right now.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

yeah im going back to my glr after 2 weeks of 18/6 mainly it to get the purple power to stop flowering i was warned about this strain its almost like an autoflower except it can reveg and clone just fine just very sensitive to darkness

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

haha Heirloom, you have woken up JD's geek brain...hope you got enough food for it, cos its hungry now

It's funny, the scientist just takes over when something like that happens. I have to add it to the rest my collected info on GLR and find out exactly what caused the adverse growth, now. At the very least it will be a set of variables to avoid in the future for anyone else considering the lighting schedule. I'm very confused about this, and now I have to find out why it happened.

It could be that the T5 tubes are over 9 months old, but I'll break it all down and see once it's all been analyzed and compared against what I've collected already. T5 tubes tend to give less, and less PAR as they age. Even though they are still giving light that *we* can see, known as lumens, PAR has dropped considerably, causing a change in growth of the plants they are providing light for. Although it may not be as noticeable at 18 hours of light per day, the plant doesn't get the light it really needs to maintain that perfect amount of life processes. This can be seen in a faster shift to flower when light drops to or below 14 hours. I've found that past 9 months of 18 hours a day, or about 4800 hours, it becomes necessary to replace the tubes. If replaced at 12 months, PAR has already dropped below useful levels for optimum growth for three months... But... Here's the plus: with only 13 hours a day on GLR, PAR is maintained the whole 12 months.

Need the math?

We'll use normalized months with this equation: 365.25/12=30.4375 This gives 12 even segments for a year, so we don't have to worry about the different month lengths of 30 and 31 days, and 28 of February, or 29 during the leap year...

Now we take the effective hours per lamp of 4800 hours, divide that by the total hours per day, then by the normalized month. This gives us the expected end-of-life for the tube in which it is no longer giving the correct amount of PAR.

18/6 shcedule:
4800/18=266.67 days
266.67/30.4375=8.76 months

GLR, or 12-1:
4800/13=369.23 days
369.23/30.4375=12.13 months



Anyway, this could be the cause of the plants starting to flower, or showing les-than-optimal growth during your GLR experiment. If you were using tubes that had been used 8 months or more at 18 hours a day, they weren't supplying the PAR needed when switched to 13 hours a day(GLR) because the tubes had already surpassed the useful hours. The 1 hour on at night's PAR was not enough to break the flower cycle, and pseudo flower and other adverse growth happened.



***PAR is Photosynthetically Available Radiation

 

[GigaGrew]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

i can help also...ill be ordering my 3rd set of 20 seeds soon, so ill have nearly 50 sativa/ruderalis plants in my grow room, also to save money, im buying a dual spec bulb for my hps instead of buying a MH lamp. (ill be getting more ballasts later but for now a swapped bulb gives me my blue so i can retire cfls from my main grow room and have a small 2nd cfl room

point being, brand new plants, brand new bulb and 50% sativa. i can test all this warping and stuff on sativa plants in GLR when i get a contactor.

 

[Heirloom]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

Holy crap jandre, I glassed over somewhere halfway through that....



Kidding. You know your light science and GLR, that's for sure! I had not thought of it in a mathematical PAR way. My lamps are now about 5 1/2 months old. Not used continuously the whole time. For about 3 months it was 12-1. Now it supplements from 5am-about 7am, then about 3:45-11p. Of course that is ever changing because the earth cant seem to fix it's wobble.

 

[BigIrishDoode]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

see im not a mathy type in school i hated anything that had even a slight odor of math to it to me all math was "666" as an adult i learned its value and have created my own forms of math to compensate for my lack, that and i have about 10 calculators, funny i was in senior advanced college prep english as a freshman but in retard math lol so i dont figure the math parts as well as i should i go by when i see those changes in growth occur , i know the sativa problem with glr is not from weak bulbs as the first 2 times i encountered it i was using brand new bulbs, and it happened with not only the t5 but the new 4oowatt mh as well , so i do believe its a genetic thing with certain sativas

 

[GigaGrew]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

even the things that go wrong need to be mapped and catalogued properly...its would suck ass if GLR became an indica only thing...but it would suck even more if people with sativas ruined entire crops because the rules of GLR were not fully written =D

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

Holy crap jandre, I glassed over somewhere halfway through that....



Kidding. You know your light science and GLR, that's for sure! I had not thought of it in a mathematical PAR way. My lamps are now about 5 1/2 months old. Not used continuously the whole time. For about 3 months it was 12-1. Now it supplements from 5am-about 7am, then about 3:45-11p. Of course that is ever changing because the earth cant seem to fix it's wobble.

Hmmm... now I'm really confused... They were, essentially, new tubes? Were those tubes in another fixture maybe? Something's not making sense here.

If it's not too much trouble, do you have a matrix of all of your environmental stats? An average over the whole experiment would be fine. Hell even a min/max would be fine. I need to figure this out.

Nute strength, frequency of res change, flush frequency, RH, temps, light's on/of times, everything you can think of. I know it's a lot to ask, but this has me perplexed.

Ever seen The Finder? I'm sort of like *that* when plants don't respond how they should... any plant really, but, doubly so with cannabis. I need to find the reason, other than just, "It's the strain" because I know that to be a false statement.

even the things that go wrong need to be mapped and catalogued properly...its would suck ass if GLR became an indica only thing...but it would suck even more if people with sativas ruined entire crops because the rules of GLR were not fully written =D

I have a full landrace sativa, and two sativa dom crosses, all doing very well for the past year under GLR... That's not the problem.

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

wanna gear something funny? That writup of the hours reminded me that I needed to change out my tubes! Lol! it's done, now, but I had gone 13 months on these tubes and 15 months on a couple others...

HEH! I had an indica dominant that was starting a faux flower and I was kinda thinking something was wrong with the plant...it was my lights! Too old and PAR had dropped.

 

[GigaGrew]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

wanna gear something funny? That writup of the hours reminded me that I needed to change out my tubes! Lol! it's done, now, but I had gone 13 months on these tubes and 15 months on a couple others...

HEH! I had an indica dominant that was starting a faux flower and I was kinda thinking something was wrong with the plant...it was my lights! Too old and PAR had dropped.

lmao...you remind me of what einstein would be like if he was a heavy stoner

 

[Heirloom]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

jandre - Unfortunately I don't have all the data you're looking for. I encourage you to write it off as Heirloom screwed something up. It does happen, far more than plants responding differently at random. Lets face it, my set up was certainly not scientific, newb hobbyist at best. Environmental control was me looking at a (rather inaccurate) analog temp and hygrometer and adding ventilation or restricting it. I started a log early on, but sidelined it because I knew that my environment was not set up good enough to be able to really hold its self stable. When I came to that realization I laughed at myself for being foolish. It was tantamount to trying to control the temp and humidity in the LA Colosseum with a fan and a spray bottle.

I bought both the fixture and lights new. The timer was set for 7am-7pm,12:30a-1:30a.

Nute strength has and will be straight off Corey's chart until I have a base line couple harvest on each strain. From their I will customize. Blue dream was never on a res. It's was always either coco or Pro-mix, hand fed and watered. F,W,W until about week 3-4 when they really start to drink then it's generally F,W,F,W....

Sorry man. In the long run I'm working to setup my enviro(s) where all your parameters and more are controlled, sampled and logged automatically. I don't have the time, focus, drive to do it all manually right now. Next year is a whole new year, and along with it whole new environment(s) and problems to work out. I probably wont revisit GLR until my R&D facility is ready.

 

[jandre2k3]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

jandre - Unfortunately I don't have all the data you're looking for. I encourage you to write it off as Heirloom screwed something up. It does happen, far more than plants responding differently at random. Lets face it, my set up was certainly not scientific, newb hobbyist at best. Environmental control was me looking at a (rather inaccurate) analog temp and hygrometer and adding ventilation or restricting it. I started a log early on, but sidelined it because I knew that my environment was not set up good enough to be able to really hold its self stable. When I came to that realization I laughed at myself for being foolish. It was tantamount to trying to control the temp and humidity in the LA Colosseum with a fan and a spray bottle.

Omg that just struck me as really funny, and soda almost spewed all over my screen...

I bought both the fixture and lights new. The timer was set for 7am-7pm,12:30a-1:30a.

Nute strength has and will be straight off Corey's chart until I have a base line couple harvest on each strain. From their I will customize. Blue dream was never on a res. It's was always either coco or Pro-mix, hand fed and watered. F,W,W until about week 3-4 when they really start to drink then it's generally F,W,F,W....

Sorry man. In the long run I'm working to setup my enviro(s) where all your parameters and more are controlled, sampled and logged automatically. I don't have the time, focus, drive to do it all manually right now. Next year is a whole new year, and along with it whole new environment(s) and problems to work out. I probably wont revisit GLR until my R&D facility is ready.

I see. <sigh> That's disheartening. Now I have this half done entry in the log, anomaly flag waving, buzzers going, and all... you disappoint me!

Now that the sarcasm is done, ((oh, that was sarcasm up there)) maybe the next time you try GLR it will be more controlled, and we can narrow down the issue. Until then, do what works for you, and what's best for your grow as it stands, now. You needs you some good meds, and messin' around ain't cuttin' it! So grow like you know, and get a couple good harvests under your belt in your current set-up so you can better understand the strains you work with. Then maybe we can set aside some small, well-rooted clones under GLR and give it the ole college try.

 

[Xlr8]

re: Heirlooms' Hashplant Haze Hydro Perpetual Grow

Heya Heirloom - Glad to hear from you and I hope things are great. Sorry to hear you won't be journaling anymore, but I hope you peek in once in a while. Sounds like many interesting changes going on for you.

Nothing but the best to you, brother!

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