Growing Without Bloom Nutes By Farside05

Day 81, Day 46 from flip

Woke up last night in the middle of the night and checked on the girls. They were extremely dry and the biggest was a little wilted. Had to pull them all out and water at 1:30AM. Not what you want to have to do on your night off. Gave them a gallon of tap plus 2 gallons of 6/5/5 each.

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Good thing you woke up with them that thirsty! I try not to let then get too dry in flower, but sometimes I miss.
 
InTheShed said:
Good thing you woke up with them that thirsty! I try not to let then get too dry in flower, but sometimes I miss.
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With the humidity dropping a bunch I definitely misjudged it.
 
What kind of frequency do you guys fertigate, or simply weight and appearance guides? I feed every third day for the whole of flower time, most of veg as well. Except when I apply drought, the third day I thought was a rule almost?
 
Maritimer said:
What kind of frequency do you guys fertigate, or simply weight and appearance guides? I feed every third day for the whole of flower time, most of veg as well. Except when I apply drought, the third day I thought was a rule almost?
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I'm running promix, and I feed when the pots are light.

My girl in a 3gal gets wet every day. The others are in 7gal, and get it every 2-3 days, depending. Been closer to 2 days for the last week.
 
multiVortex said:
I'm running promix, and I feed when the pots are light.

My girl in a 3gal gets wet every day. The others are in 7gal, and get it every 2-3 days, depending. Been closer to 2 days for the last week.
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To add to that, since I got distracted, I feed every time. No in betweens of water. Feed feed feed feed feed.

I will do a pH'd rinsing flush between veg and flower. Not to pull nutes from the buds, but to clean up any salt buildup.

This is may be my last promix grow though, so not a huge deal. Next run will be straight perlite, with recirc feed, and depending on that, the run after will either be more of that, or autopots w/coco.
 
Maritimer said:
What kind of frequency do you guys fertigate, or simply weight and appearance guides? I feed every third day for the whole of flower time, most of veg as well. Except when I apply drought, the third day I thought was a rule almost?
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I also feed by pot weight, not by time. Sometimes life gets a little busy and I do a "quick watering" where I wet the medium decent, but not 'till runoff, so I can move on to something else. The rest of the time I'll take them to the tub and soak them good. Of course the difference between the two watering types leads to varying amounts of days between waters.
 
Maritimer said:
What kind of frequency do you guys fertigate, or simply weight and appearance guides? I feed every third day for the whole of flower time, most of veg as well. Except when I apply drought, the third day I thought was a rule almost?
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multiVortex said:
I'm running promix, and I feed when the pots are light.
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This ^ whether you're in soil or ProMix.
multiVortex said:
I will do a pH'd rinsing flush between veg and flower. Not to pull nutes from the buds, but to clean up any salt buildup.
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No need to pH the rinse water. No need to pH the nute water either, but certainly no reason to pH rinse water.
 
multiVortex said:
To add to that, since I got distracted, I feed every time. No in betweens of water. Feed feed feed feed feed.

I will do a pH'd rinsing flush between veg and flower. Not to pull nutes from the buds, but to clean up any salt buildup.

This is may be my last promix grow though, so not a huge deal. Next run will be straight perlite, with recirc feed, and depending on that, the run after will either be more of that, or autopots w/coco.
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I did Megacrop(faux) in rockwool and found that using added silica shot the PH too high to use. With the Faux mix, you have the peat and lime to control the PH, but when you jump into perlite, you're going to have a whole new set of laws that will apply to you. I advise beginning with no Pro-Tekt, then adding some as you see fit as you get acclimated.
 
Skybound said:
I did Megacrop(faux) in rockwool and found that using added silica shot the PH too high to use. With the Faux mix, you have the peat and lime to control the PH, but when you jump into perlite, you're going to have a whole new set of laws that will apply to you. I advise beginning with no Pro-Tekt, then adding some as you see fit as you get acclimated.
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Thanks for that! I wonder if that is why my pH keeps insisting on bumping its way to the 6’s the first day on new water in my RDWC? I may have to tinker with that (cut the silica back) and see.
 
multiVortex said:
Thanks for that! I wonder if that is why my pH keeps insisting on bumping its way to the 6’s the first day on new water in my RDWC? I may have to tinker with that (cut the silica back) and see.
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It's hard for me to predict how actual Megacrop behaves. I made my own Megacrop from salts and chelated micros, so it's definitely not the same exact thing, but I still believe the PH of the genuine and the Faux would be the same. I've found that 0.9ppm of silica they add, when I target my mix to also have 0.9ppm, that the nute solution would land on 5.9 like Johnny on the spot! If I were you in RDWC, I would use only your Megacrop and CalMag if ya have it. Otherwise, you'll likely need to use PH down which has a lot of P in it and can alter the MC's low P content.

Edit - You'll definitely miss the silica, but I think that was part of Farside's magic as his Faux Mix is buffered very well, so the added silica doesn't change nuthin, but take the Faux Mix out of the equation and all bets are off.
 
farside05 said:
I also feed by pot weight, not by time. Sometimes life gets a little busy and I do a "quick watering" where I wet the medium decent, but not 'till runoff, so I can move on to something else. The rest of the time I'll take them to the tub and soak them good. Of course the difference between the two watering types leads to varying amounts of days between waters.
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This is good.
I always fertigate to runoff. I really enjoy feeding them, and with my boring agenda and ample free time, I have no reason to not follow suit and fertigate by pot weight. The plants are growing well with the schedule I have them on, so rather than change anything suddenly, I will continue to fertigate on my time schedule while gaining an acumen for the different pot weights and measuring my back's sensitivity to heavy lifting. Zero experience beyond 1 gallon lifts. Remember this is my first scrog free garden. So I am gonna practice lifting pots.

Thanks Guys
 
To @Skybound 's point. I also would not recommend my normal 1:blushsmile:1 of Mega, Cal-Mag, and Silica for hydro. The Silica just wants to drive the pH up and out of the optimal range for that type of growing.
 
I like Faux-Cal®. Life is a little marketing. Too bad we can't change user names, I could be Faux-Side. :rofl:
 
You'll always be the real side to us. :Namaste:
 
Skybound said:
It's hard for me to predict how actual Megacrop behaves. I made my own Megacrop from salts and chelated micros, so it's definitely not the same exact thing, but I still believe the PH of the genuine and the Faux would be the same. I've found that 0.9ppm of silica they add, when I target my mix to also have 0.9ppm, that the nute solution would land on 5.9 like Johnny on the spot! If I were you in RDWC, I would use only your Megacrop and CalMag if ya have it. Otherwise, you'll likely need to use PH down which has a lot of P in it and can alter the MC's low P content.

Edit - You'll definitely miss the silica, but I think that was part of Farside's magic as his Faux Mix is buffered very well, so the added silica doesn't change nuthin, but take the Faux Mix out of the equation and all bets are off.
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farside05 said:
To @Skybound 's point. I also would not recommend my normal 1:blushsmile:1 of Mega, Cal-Mag, and Silica for hydro. The Silica just wants to drive the pH up and out of the optimal range for that type of growing.
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I agree that it's likely the silica is driving it up.

I'm thinking of cutting the amount of ProTeKt in half (give or take) to see what happens. Go figure that the new batch of calmag I got is 2-0-0 instead of 1-0-0, which makes it a little more tricky keeping the N:K ratio right.

I will say that it's not exactly a horrid situation with it either. Once everything is mixed up, my pH is about 7.8ish. From there it takes me about 35ml-40ml to bring it down to 5.7 (+/- .1), and the "directions" say on average it takes 1ml/gal to bring it down one full point (like from 7.5 to 6.5.)

24-36 hours later, it starts to rise. I let it, and then 5ml or so brings it back. Maybe 10ml if I let it get to 6.2 or 6.3 before dropping it.


However, once it goes through that initial part, its pretty consistent from there and acts as you would expect.


Well, finally I'm off to the garden to get the mix up to the 5g/gal mark. I planned on starting 5 hours ago, but that shit didn't happen. 3 hours late off work, then had to go to stupid walmart. :rolleyes:

Was I able to make it to the indoor garden store? Nope. Will have to try and hit it on my lunch break tomorrow. If that doesn't work, or they don't have what I'm after in stock, I'll have to make a quick order from BG Hydro I guess.
 
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