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There are other interesting microbes as well - Wonder if it's a problem to mix different species together?
I doubt it would be, I've seen people adding up to 10 different species at once.

For example my pro mix has glomus and there's a post fix I.e. glomus intraradices, while the root Webstar adds about 4 or 5 other species of glomus, with a different post fix. I'm sure there's more than just glomus out there, available in different products and I know mine says it's compatible with all nutes all mediums and all feeding methods so I doubt you'd have an issue adding multiple bacteria to your medium.

Maybe a biologist will weigh in on this one day XD
 
I'm actually going through this currently lol. I started a compost pile out back. I think part of it is also wanting to lead by example for my little one...

Can you maybe give a dumbed down version of what it is exactly that's happening in your dirt? A brief explanation of why it's beneficial etc.? I'm a little confused between a "super soil" "high brix" and living organic soil. Is LOS naturally hi brix? Are there actually critters (worms) in your dirt?

Sorry if thats too many questions at once but again this topic really has my interest and I want to soak up all I can from experienced soil growers :)

Thanks

✌ Dabber

May I Gee?

Soil is evolved to support plant growth. Below the surface of a thriving ecosystem are entire communities of fungi and bacteria who've evolved to supply the plant with what it needs to grow healthy and strong. With LOS we attempt to replicate this delicate balance in a small plot of soil. Those of us who grow with LOS think of the soil more as a pet than a medium. We don't feed the plant, we feed the soil with the raw materials we believe will best support the soil communities. The amendments are added by way of drenches and foliars, and are often done on a regular schedule.

Growers using Living Organic Soil don't let their plants go dry. Going dry means your soil community is dying too, not a situation you want to ever be a contributing factor in. The soils of LOS pots get their regularly amended drenches, regardless of where they are in the developmental stage. There are certain amendments added at certain times, for sure, but the maintenance of the soil is very basic.

Chosen amendments are organic and typically found locally. There's a wonderful adaptability to LOS. If you're lucky you have a thriving community of worms in your pots, though this is mostly in the no-till community. I've seen pots that were almost completely filled with worm castings after years of proper maintenance. The plants loved it!!!

High Brix, those of us who use Doc Bud's system fall into that category, use a living soil too, but the community we utilize is different in character. Our amended drenches will support the revitalization of a community damaged by drought, and we keep the plants on that sweet edge that pushes trichome production. We use the wet/dry cycle to drive root mass. Living soil, but not at all in the same category as LOS. I think of Doc's system as microbes on speed. :laughtwo:

The infamous CAT drench changes the electrical charge in the soil, freeing up the very nutrients the plants need for flowering. That's why they frost up so dramatically. Then we flip it back after a time with a different drench. We play God more with HB.

Supersoils are developed to be water only, I believe. I'm not familiar with them at all.
 
There are other interesting microbes as well - Wonder if it's a problem to mix different species together?
Great white is what I use. It's all the microbeasties in one!

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Super expensive but I've heard it's the best money can buy ^
 
Thank you sue! Very well explained :) I still have a ways to go but I'm trying to learn all I can!
 
Super expensive but I've heard it's the best money can buy ^

It's not, actually. Including all those species meant they included the species that attacks and devours the very ones that benefit the plants we cultivate. Eventually, our necessary endos are triumphant, but why make them fight that battle of survival? It's well-marketed, but you'd be better off to spend your money on a more constricted selection of endo mycorrihizae.
 
Thank you sue! Very well explained :) I still have a ways to go but I'm trying to learn all I can!

Glad to help. I showed up around here completely wet behind the ears. They taught me, I teach you, you teach others, and everyone grows bad-ass cannabis. :cheesygrinsmiley:
 
It's not, actually. Including all those species meant they included the species that attacks and devours the very ones that benefit the plants we cultivate. Eventually, our necessary endos are triumphant, but why make them fight that battle of survival? It's well-marketed, but you'd be better off to spend your money on a more constricted selection of endo mycorrihizae.
Exactly why I use what I'm using .
 
So simple to use. Makes gardening easy. Tons of diy vids on how to make them with 5 gal buckets.
It's a great low maintenance way to grow I set it up last summer outdoor when I had to go out of town slightly different but the same concept. Then I made a 2 foot by 4 foot sip planter for indoor, I forget about the grow all the time since I rarely have to do anything for it. Again slightly different but real similar.

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I recently received a free sampler of some stuff from my local hydro shop. One of them was called Azos. It's some sort of beneficial bacteria. I had two mother plants that were looking quite sad, so I mixed up a batch and gave it to them and holy f*****g hell they loved that stuff. Gave them a real kickstart. Think I may buy a pack and give it a try again some time if I keep some of my soil grows.

Did any of you good folks try that stuff? Internet says this about it:

"Azos is an all-natural, growth promoting, Nitrogen fixing bacteria ideal for cloning and transplanting. Azos converts nitrogen into a usable form that is readily available to the plant. Nitrogen is critical for forming vegetative matter and supporting abundant growth. Azos promotes growth, while boosting natural root development. Nitrogen-Fixing Bacteria - Of all the nutrients transported to plants through the soil, nitrogen is required in the greatest amount. It drives chlorophyll production in the foliage and keeps plants green and efficient. It is a fundamental part of amino acids and other compounds that assure crop health and productivity. It is a major part of every protein molecule and soils are often deficient of this element. However the atmosphere is comprised of around 80% nitrogen which is in a form (N2 or atmospheric nitrogen) that is not conventionally available to plants. ​ Nitrogen From the Air! - Somewhere along the evolutionary development of the "Plant - Soil - Microbial Matrix", certain bacteria began to specialize in tasks to enhance plant growth, which in return provided the microbes with a food source exchange opportunity. A select group of bacteria classified as "Diazotrophs" began to supply nitrogen to plants from a range of sources, including decomposed plant litter, dead micro-organisms, and sequestration of atmospheric nitrogen. Azos belongs to the last of these groups and functions primarily as an atmospheric nitrogen converter. A Natural Isolate From the Amazon - Azos is a particularly-efficient agent originally isolated in the Amazon Basin where the lack of soil, the rapid breakdown of any vegetation by hungry microbes, and the environmental conditions which require "Growth to Survive" is a fundamental proposition of the ecosystem. Azos specializes in the highly-efficient conversion of the N2 form of nitrogen into plant-available NH3 ammoniacal nitrogen" Just make sure to use it all at once, cause it really stinks if you leave it standing there for a while.
I've used it with great results it's comparable to Great white for sure
 
P.s. I also used it to germinate my beans with great success. It's a great way to give your plants a head start without having to worry about nute burn and sensitivity etc in the early stages of a plants life.

Looking back, I would have watered the bacteria into the medium I potted the plants in, but either way they're soaring along and I think thats because the taproots came out directly into the root Webstar and just went crazy!

I've got pics documenting it if anyone wants to see what I mean by germinating with this stuff!

Also sorry Gee don't mean to hijack your thread :S

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I have been mixing Great white and molasses for clones as well it seems to draw the roots out
 
It's a great low maintenance way to grow I set it up last summer outdoor when I had to go out of town slightly different but the same concept. Then I made a 2 foot by 4 foot sip planter for indoor, I forget about the grow all the time since I rarely have to do anything for it. Again slightly different but real similar.

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Yep. Really low maintenance. I use them outdoors for veggies. Glad you stopped by.
 
Yep. Really low maintenance. I use them outdoors for veggies. Glad you stopped by.
Im hoping to learn a few things along the way! We grow similar but different, I had my head in the sand working through stuff on my own so I'm glad to see someone else doing it but slightly different.
 
My "lawn" is in reality a cloverfield. I kinda like them better than the grass. But never thought about planting them with my cannabis. What's the reasoning behind that choice?
 
It's for their nitrogen fixing capabilities - right? Because you don't feed nutes. Living soil. I have to read a little bit more about this.

Clover doesn't help against any pests?
 
Cool stuff Gee! :thumb:
 
It's for their nitrogen fixing capabilities - right? Because you don't feed nutes. Living soil. I have to read a little bit more about this.

Clover doesn't help against any pests?

Flax - Carter
Clover - Yellow Sweet
Clover - White Dutch
Clover - Medium Red
Clover - Crimson
Lentils - Indainhead
Millet - White Proso
Vetch - Hairy
Vetch - Common
Cowpeas - Iron and Clay
Buckwheat - Mancan
Pea - Forage

This is the list of the cover crop.
Mostly clover. All the plants listed are considered legumes.
Legumes have this structure on their roots called nodules. Those nodules are home to bacteria called Rhizobium.
Rhizobium and legumes have a symbiotic relationship.
The bacteria take nitrogen from the air in the soil and feed this nitrogen to the legumes. The legumes provides carbs for the bacteria.
 
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