GG7's Indoor/Outdoor Grows!

[THsea]

I have a question GG7.. Since you have done a lot of growing (or I assume you have with what you got going on! )

This has to do with vegging plants... How long do you think they need on average to produce the best quality buds... Not talking in-terms of weight, just straight up quality/potency... Does vegging too long have detrimental effects? I would assume that a well established root system would be key for developing good buds.. So would 12/12 from seed be bad, based on this assumption? Are clones really exactly as good as the parent? I've heard they loose some quality the further is removed, is this true? If your GoldenGoose7... what happened to the other six? Did you eat GoldenGoose9?!

Okay, I'll stop there. Don't be upset with me! Trying to drown myself in studying the herb... Today isn't the best of days.. And its only begun!

 

[Goldengoose7]

Glad to help buddy! Supercropping isn't your only option.. There are two other techniques I believe.. called LST (low stress training) and of course topping ("fim"ing).. Though I think topping is supposed to be for vegetative state?? I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir on those techniques though!

The only other thing I can think of is... Well, my buddy the OldMedMan uses it... I think its called Bushmaster...? It's a chemical to stop vertical growth. Makes the plants "bush out". From what I have read it can be a little hard on your plants... However, if the OMM uses it without trouble, it must be pretty good...

Oh, and about your plants with thin stems.. If I remember correctly, there is another thing the OMM uses (all my information comes from him! ) Silica Blast.. There are other companies that make Silica supplements, but the main point of me mentioning this is that its supposed to help with making more robust stems.

If you want more specific information on feeding cycles, I wouldn't mind asking OMM for you... Or you can always send him a PM now that your over 50 posts! Or just post in his thread. He's one cool old dude.

Thanks as always for the input! I'm familiar with those other forms of training plants etc. and have spent this evening refreshing my memory on the various techniques involved. I am intrigued by this "Bushmaster" stuff you are referring to! I think I will Google that after I finish replying to your posts here.

As a rule, I have found that a good stiff breeze from a 9" fan when the clones or seedlings are small usually does the trick in terms of thickening up the main stalk of my various plants, but these Urkles have proven to be the exception to that rule, mainly because they grew so freaking FAST that they didn't spend the usual time as "little" plants, and basically ZOOMED up into the 20" and 30" range in record time! Way too fast to suit me and I blame that rapid growth for their somewhat willowy physique.

I've grown a lot of plants over the years and have dealt with some fast growers, but since switching over to primarily Indica strains, I kind of forgot how to deal with what is more typically a stereotypical Sativa growing behavior. In fact, if I didn't trust my source for these Urkle clones, I would be starting to question the lineage of these plants at this point.

I guess I could drop OldMedman a line, but since you are already in talks with him, perhaps you could ask him for me? I would appreciate that!

 

[Goldengoose7]

I have a question GG7.. Since you have done a lot of growing (or I assume you have with what you got going on! )

This has to do with vegging plants... How long do you think they need on average to produce the best quality buds... Not talking in-terms of weight, just straight up quality/potency... If your GoldenGoose7... what happened to the other six? Did you eat GoldenGoose9?!

Okay, I'll stop there. Don't be upset with me! Trying to drown myself in studying the herb... Today isn't the best of days.. And its only begun!

Since my grows must revolve around the overall HEIGHT of the plant and not so much the age because of my grow room limitations, I can only comment on my results. I generally put a plant into flower when it reaches between 28" and 36" tall. With some additional vegging after this I usually end up with a plant in the 36" to 45" range, which equates to approx. 2 months of vegetative growth, give or take a week or two on either side depending on the strain.

I've always been very satisfied with my home grown buds most of the time, and with higher end strains I find the potency to be as good if not better than any of the dried bud I have purchased or sampled from local dispensaries and collectives.

This latest difficulty with these Purple Urkle plants is the first time I have missed the mark on picking the right time to move a strain into the Bloom Room. These things have just been way too fast growing for my previous experience to deal with! It could be the fact that when these all went outside for the first time, we were smack dab in the middle of a heat wave and the plants growth rate just went nuts practically overnight! The Blueberry and Northern Lights plants have shown a bit of a spike too, but nothing on the order of the Urkles!

As for my handle of GG7?

Long story short... Use to own a company and we had multiple email accounts that used part of the company name along with a number, 1 through 9. Happened to pick 7 as one of my online addresses and later I used it for a handle on a few forums and gaming sites. 20 years later and long after the company folded, I am still using the handle because so many of my online friends know who I am simply by the handle, wherever it happens to turn up.

Did I cover all the questions? Let me know if I missed anything or if you need more info.

Thanks!

 

[THsea]

Awesome GG7! Yes, you answered it great!

Never heard about the fan on the youngin's to produce nice stems! That's so cool! I knew I had a good feeling about you! That's great to hear you get good results off of 2 months of veg, that's kind of what I was thinking.. Well, my real plan is to get auto's going and some photoperiod plants.. Have the photo's vegging until the auto's are done, then throw the photo's into flower... So more like three months probably, but what the hell.

Okay.. I forgot to ask about your pots.. What sizes do you use? Do you repot before putting in bloom?
Do you use any Nutes? A lot of people here are big fans of OC+, which in my experience is hard to locate in stores... I read in another thread you like to use FoxFarm soil, do you use Ocean Forest, or Happy Frog?

I get a little manic at nights, sorry man!

I've been without smoke for over a month... It does a number on me.. First off, when its all out of my system.. I have crazy dreams.

A few days ago, I was training a tiger in Korea... And when the training for the day was done, we put it in a over-sized baby stroller and took it back to the village. I woke up kinda just thinking... What the hell?...

 

[Goldengoose7]

Wow! What a bizarre dream!

Glad I covered all the bases for you.

Pots?

Lately I've been using 6" Peat Pots for all my seedlings and transplanted clones. The advantage here being that when the time comes to move them into permanent larger pots, you just plant them, pot and all into the new soil and the peat pot will eventually decompose and crumble, allowing the roots to grow through the pot wall and out into the new soil colume. The draw back I am finding is that when using the water retention soil I use (Black Gold • Waterhold Cocoblend), they get saturated enough that they begin to break down long before I am ready to transplant them!

I'm probably going to go back to my previous methods that involved three different size pots starting with 4" followed by a 1 gallon nursery pot, and finally a 5 gallon pot. For transplant I just water the roots with a B1 transplant solution as I transplant them into the larger pot and then water the new soil with it too. Never really had any visible transplant shock from doing it that way. Just don't touch the roots and carefully sprinkle the new soil around the root ball till it is all covered and then finish addiing final amounts of soil. I use the Black Gold for everything these days. Plain Jane version with no added nutes or anything.

As for where I get my pots, I buy all these in bulk for very cheap or just recycle pots I get from plants bought at the nursery. I got 30 of these 5 gallon vinyl pots for $20.00 a few years ago, and even though they are on the thin side, they can be used over and over again.

As for nutes.... I've been using FoxFarm Grow Big and Alaska Fish Fertilizer (Fish Emulsion) for veg, and FoxFarm Big Bloom for flower. For clones I feed them B1 for the first few weeks after they go into soil and a half strength solution of Grow Big. IF I see any leaf yellowing, I either give them a half solution of Miracle Grow Blue if I suspect Nitrogen deficiency, or a tablespoon of Epsom Salt into 1 gallon of water if it looks more like a mangesium dificiency.

OC+ as in Osmocote Plus? Have never tried it. I generally take the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach to my gardening. Having been an avid gardner of conventional food crops and flowers now for well over 30 years, I have basically applied my proven techniques there to my Cannabis crops and aside from a few tweaks here and there, that has served me well so far.

Hope that answered all your questions?

Thanks for your interest and I will talk to ya soon!

 

[papatater]

Sounds like you got everything under control thats what i would of done top the plant that will start it growing on the lower parts of the plant if it gets back up there again i would suppercrop it you can do it during flower to keep it down just make sure you get a good break when you bend it or it will go right back up you can you use a twist tie after you suppercrop it to hold it down it wont hurt it a bit Ive heard good stuff about bushmaster on the 420 site and THsea is right Old Med Man is a really nice guy you will pick up a lot of good tips in his journal I hope this helps ive never grown indoors always outdoors so height was never really a problem i keep them 4 to5 feet before bloom and im good thx for taking the time to share your grow with us some one will read this one day and say there's the answer to my question right her e

 

[Goldengoose7]

Thanks Papa! Appreciate your input and enthusiasm as always!

Glad you guys agree with my decision to pull the Urkles out of the Bloom Room and deal with the out of control vertical growth and wimpy stem development head on!

Got some new photos for you that I just took this morning.

Purple Urkle 1 after trimming

Also doing some transplanting of a few seedlings and clones into permanent 5 gallon pots today!

GDP Clone #3

Northern Lights Seedling #1

GDP clones 1 & 2 will also be getting transplanted later today. The roots of GDP 3 were all the way to the bottom of its 6" peat pot at the time of transplant.

GDP Clones 1 & 2

Second Generation Urkle clones
Notice that they have no humidity domes and are in direct sunlight and 80 degree heat!

And last but not least, Blueberry clones 1 & 2 alongside some of our tomato plants on a VERY warm and sunny June 24th, 2011

 

[Goldengoose7]

Transplant Update!

I just got done transplanting the remaining two GDP clones into larger pots. Because Clone #1 was showing some impressive growing tendencies, stretching about 2 inches taller than the other two, I gave her the priviledge of moving up into our special 10 gallon pot and designated her the official GDP MOTHER PLANT!

GDP Clone #1 Sitting in Her Royal Throne

Clone #2 will have to settle for a 5 gallon pot like everyone else!

GDP Clone #2 in her 5 gallon!

All of Today's Transplants on Deck and Ready for Action!

 

[Goldengoose7]

FRESH BLUEBERRY CLONES in the HOUSE!

Well... I went ahead and took some cuttings today from the two Blueberry plants. I was pleased that there were actually a few more medium sized braches with three nodes than I thought there were once I really started getting in there with my scissors.

Took 6 cuttings off of each plant for a total of a dozen. Some were on the large side, but as I mentioned before, both these plants don't seem to like doing anything half ass!

I trimmed them all up, dipped them in ROOTECH and inserted them into their little collars in the top of the Turbo Klone.

Here are some photos of the cuttings after they had been trimmed, dipped and added to the T48.

You may have noticed my little Oregon Scientific wireless temp and humidity sensor in there. I have three of these and move them around to my various growing areas to keep tabs on temp and humidity. We have three base stations that all receive the signal from the three remotes so it is easy to keep an eye on temps and humidity levels of my two grow rooms, my bud drying closet, and now, the T48 Cloner. All from the comfort of my La-Z-Boy!

Water temp is starting to rise now that the pump is running. The T48 manual says that the optimum water temp for fastest rooting performance is around 72 degrees F. That is one of the major advantages of owning the Turbo Klone over the EZ Clone machine. The T48 has this intake fan on the front that blows cool outside air through the cloning chamber and exhausts the stale warmer air out, keeping a higher O2 level for the roots while also reducing the risk of encountering the high water temp problem that often plagues EZ Clone owners to no end.

Before I bought the T48, I read about all the hoops EZ Cloner owners sometimes had to jump through such as putting the machine on a cycle timer to reduce pump induced water heating, spending several hundred bucks for a water chiller and other nightmarish after sale realities like that! I'm hoping that the marketing info from the Turbo Klone folks is legit and their machine will not suffer from the same water temp issues. We shall see.

I've got the digital termo probe's temp alarm set to 74, so if the temp starts to rise up above the comfort zone it will start squawking.

As for the water's PH... I added my 4.5 gallons of water to the T48 last night and worked on adjusting the PH before I even took the cuttings today, so all I needed to do was make a slight adjustment to bring the PH right in line to where I want it. Starting it around 4.8 and know from prior research that as the cloning gel gets washed off the cuttings and into the water, it will cause a several point rise in PH over the next few hours which should end up giving me about 5.5. The sweet spot this needs to be.

My digital PH meter is currently reading 5.2 and "slowly" rising

If you haven't picked one up already, there is nothing like having a quality PH meter around when you are growing Cannabis! I am constantly turning to it for something at least once a week! Mine is the PH-200 made by HM Digital Inc. which is considered one of the best out there for the money. I agree 100%! Great meter!


So... There you have it!

I will of course post updates on this project over the next 7-10 days. I hear that this T48 has been known to root cuttings in as little as 3 days! I will be happy with anything under 10!

Next week I add 3 ml of H&G Roots Excelurator to the cloner's water supply as per instructed by the guys over at Turbo Klone.

Stay tuned!

UPDATE:

The water temp has settled in at 71.5 degrees and has remained at that temp for the last 3 hours. PH has also stabilized at 5.6 which is still within the 5.2 - 5.7 range the T48 manual recommends.

So... Looks like everything is going great so far! I love the prospect of a total "HANDS FREE" cloning experience once you get the temp and PH dialed in like it appears I have now.

 

[THsea]

Holy Carp and Mackerel! We have the same PH meter!

The OMM gave it to me as a gift before I left the islands. Cool thing!
Now its looking like I will be using it IN the islands, but who knows... Everything is still up in the air for me...

I hope your BB clones come out well for you! Just curious, why do you trim the fan leaves on the taken clones? Were they funky on the tips?

Prolly wont be doing clones personally, but the subject always kinda interests me.

 

[Goldengoose7]

Holy Carp and Mackerel! We have the same PH meter!

The OMM gave it to me as a gift before I left the islands. Cool thing!
Now its looking like I will be using it IN the islands, but who knows... Everything is still up in the air for me...

I hope your BB clones come out well for you! Just curious, why do you trim the fan leaves on the taken clones? Were they funky on the tips?

Prolly wont be doing clones personally, but the subject always kinda interests me.

Really? You've got a PH-200 too? VERY COOL and WOW, what a great gift to get eh? It is one of those items that I always feel good about buying each and every time I use it!

I remember waffling back and forth between the PH-200 and the Hanna Champ, and I finally just said "screw it" and bought the PH-200. It was about double the price at the time, so it did take a leap of faith. Besides that, there were some bad reviews written by what I can now only call total idiots on AMAZON.COM. Now that I own the thing, I know that they obviously manhandled the poor thing, banged the delicate glass probe against the fluid container and cracked the probe and/or didn't keep it moist in the storage solution when they put it away and it dried out and stopped working.

Amazing to me how many bozos there are out there who don't bother reading owners manuals and then have the nerve to give the product THEY BROKE a bad review! The thought never occurrs to them that all the badly made products they keep getting are actually fine.. It is THEY WHOM ARE DEFECTIVE!

But I digress...

Why trim back the leaves you ask? They call it "TRANSPIRATION" and that basically means the loss of moisture through the leaves. If you trim back the leaves and reduce the amount of surface area, you reduce the amount of transpiration. Since the cuttings have no roots, they need to conserve as much moisture as possible, so you need to keep them in a high humidity environment and reduce moisture loss as much as possible. The Turbo Klone also has the optional humidity dome that I chose to purchase along with the cloner. Another difference between the EZ Clone and the TKlone.

The EZ Clone camp says you don't need a humidity dome with a cloner, but I beg to differ. Why risk losing your clones through too much "transpiration" ?

Even with all the cutting back, there is still plenty of leaf there for photosynthesis to continue. You basically need to keep the cuttings/clones alive long enough for them to grow roots, then you are home free.

May I ask...What Island did you live on? Were you born over there? I was over there only once in 1972 and LOVED IT! I was 12 years old and loved to body surf, so a grand tour of all the major islands was awesome! My favorite was Maui! Best waves hands down!

But...I digress AGAIN!

 

[THsea]

Cool! I knew you had to have a good reason for cutting those fingers!

Yep! I'm a born-and-raised Island boy! from Oahu.. I don't look the part though, my parents are Kentuckyians!

I've been to Kauai and the Big Island, never been to Maui.. If/when I go back I intend to visit more of the islands... I hear many great things about Maui in particular.

But hands down the best smoke I have ever had was from the Big Island

On a side note, I went to Isle of Palm out here in South Carolina... The worst beach I have ever seen. It's just so gross! I'm to spoiled by clear water and great sands... And actual waves!

Australia has nice beaches though. From what I remember, just as nice as Oahu

 

[Goldengoose7]

Cool! I liked Oahu too! I got stung by a Sea Urchin there on our very first day of vacation! Hurt like hell and my entire finger tip turned purple! I had no idea at the time that they could sting you, so like an idiot, I tried to pull one off the bottom by grabbing on to one of the thick spines. Didn't notice the thinner "STINGER" spines in between until it was too late! OUCH!!

But...This discussion would probably be more appropriate in the lounge area.

Now back to our regular program!

 

[Goldengoose7]

CLONING DISASTER! - TURBO KLONE PUMP DIES DURING THE NIGHT - ALL 12 CLONES RUINED!

This is what I woke up to this morning!

Instead of the beautiful healthy Blueberry clones I placed in this brand new Turbo Klone T48 not even 24 hours ago, I am staring at wilted and dying clones due to an obviously DEFECTIVE WATER PUMP that completely froze up and died sometime in the middle of the night!

As you already know, I just bought this machine a few weeks ago and this was the first time I actually plugged it in to use it. I purchased the Turbo Klone brand over the more well known and time tested EZ Clone line of cloners because the manufacturer claims that their product is superior in every way to the EZ Clone product. Their claims made sense and I always like to give a new company a chance, so I went for it.

Talk about a slap in the face! And of course, stuff like this ALWAYS HAPPENS ON A SUNDAY!

I have contacted the company via email and sent them these same sad photos of what used to be my first Blueberry clones. Based on my past conversations with one of their sales reps, I am totally expecting them to make good on the problem, but it is hard to restore the trust. Especially with a device that needs to run reliably for up to 2 weeks non-stop.

The worst part is that those 12 cuttings were all I could safely take from my two rather young mother plants, so it is going to set me back at least a few weeks while I wait for more growth to occurr and another shot at taking another batch of cuttings. This will also delay my plans to put the mother plants into the Bloom Room next week. Can't do that until I get another batch of cuttings.

I briefly considered trying to save the cuttings by putting them into Rockwool, but it has been way too long without a water supply and with my poor track record of manual cloning under ideal circumstances, I don't even want to go there. Besides... I would never attempt to manually clone 12 plants at once! 4-6 is already a ton of work babysitting them with the whole spray bottle and humidity dome routine.

Sucks no mater how you look at it.

Stay tuned folks. :surrender::rolleyes3

 

[THsea]

This stinks! I'm so sorry GG7. Those were nice looking cuttings...

Man, what a bummer! Let us know if the company is going to send you a knew one, I would be really surprised if they don't. Condolences to you friend!

 

[Goldengoose7]

TURBO KLONE FAILURE UPDATE

I just got done draining the T48 and removed the defective pump from the tub. I unscrewed the sprayer array and then took the pump to my work bench for a closer look. When I plugged it in, I could hear a hum coming from the motor, so I immediately suspected that something was stuck in the impeller preventing the motor from turning.

Tapping the side of the pump didn't do it, so I gave the pump a good solid "WHACK" with my rubber mallet and the pump started running but felt out of balance and is making a HORRIBLE rattling sound! From what I can see without taking the entire thing apart is that one of the blades of the impeller detached from the hub and got wedged between the remaining impeller blades and the housing basically freezing up the motor. The mallet hit dislodged the broken blade and it is now loose and bounching around in there.

I'm somewhat relieved that the failure is not a defective motor, but still concerned if my hunch is correct and the impeller self distructed under normal use and in under 24 hours of operation to boot! The other drag is all the wasted time and materials! I used high quality RO bottled water for the growing medium which set me back some $$, 12 of the neoprene collars have now technically been used and need to be replaced before the next session, so I will need to buy more of those now too.

I still can't believe that I just lost my entire batch of clones and I have a $380.00 cloning machine that went totally belly up less than 24 hours after plugging it in for the first time!

This stinks! I'm so sorry GG7. Those were nice looking cuttings...

Man, what a bummer! Let us know if the company is going to send you a knew one, I would be really surprised if they don't. Condolences to you friend!

Thanks Man!

Yes! They were some VERY nice looking cuttings and it is a real shame that they won't get a chance to grow into individuals.

Thanks for your condolences! It is hard to find any silver lining in a situation like this since there basically isn't one.

I will keep everyone posted on how this all plays out. In the meantime, it is back to the rest of my grows that are still alive and thriving outside!

 

[Goldengoose7]

Second Generation Purple Urkle Clone #1 Gets Transplanted!

After all the depressing events of this morning, I wanted to end the day on an up note and it even involves the subject of clones!

As I have mentioned more than a few times, my manual cloning success rate has been dismal at best and that is why I blew all that $$ on the Turbo Klone T48. :rolleyes3 However, my last attempt with four Purple Urkle cuttings didn't end as badly as normal and all four actually survived the process and are still with us!

While their rooting progress has been down right "glacial", they haven't died either! All four are now surviving without a humidity dome,, which is something to be hopeful about!

Of the four plants, one of them has always done a bit better than the other three. The plant I call Second Gen #1 recovered first from the mangesium deficiency that is still effecting the other three, and so today I decided to transplat Second Gen #1 into a 5 gallon pot.

When I peeled back the peat pot there wasn't a root in sight on the sides or the bottom of the pot as had been the case with the GDP clones and the seedlings, but at least the plant looks healthy.

Whether this thing will even actually start growing at a normal rate and turn into a viable Purple Urkle plant remains to be seen, but at least it now has a lot of room to grow into if it ever decides to get serious about it!

I guess we will have to wait and see.

Meanwhile, we anxiously await a reply from the folks at Turbo Klone regarding our dead T48 clone machine.

Stay tuned!

 

[Goldengoose7]

The Guys at Turbo Klone Step Up in Spades!

First thing this morning I got a phone call from Darin over at Everything Green Hydroponics, LLC which is the parent company of the Turbo Klone line of cloning machines. He was of course calling in response to my angry email sent yesterday after my T48 pump died.

He was very sorry for the failure of the pump and to make things right, they are not just sending me a new replacement pump, they are sending me TWO pumps so that I will have a backup just in case this problem ever happens to me again! While Darin told me that the 450 gph Mag Drive pump they use for the T48 is usually very reliable and can normally be expected to last many years, they still have a 2-3% failure rate which usually manifests early in the pumps working life. Unfortunately, I and my Blueberry cuttings happened to fall into that statistic.

In addition to the two replacement pumps, because I asked, they are also going to send me a new set of collars to replace the ones that were used in the failed clone session. However, Darin informed me that unlike other clone machine collars used by other brands of cloning machines, the Turbo Klone collars are NOT made of Neopreen foam and instead are made of a different material that does not absorb chemicals as readily or premit roots to grow into them etc. They can be used more than one time, which is a real cost savings if you do a lot of cloning!

So... Although I was very disappointed that I lost my Blueberry clones as a result of this pump failure, I could not be more pleased with how professionally Darin and Everything Green Hydroponics handled my problem and even threw in an extra pump and a new set of collars to help compensate me for my lost time and my lost cuttings.

The new pumps should be here tomorrow via UPS. I'm VERY glad I chose to buy my cloner from these guys instead of another brand, because now I know that if I have a problem they stand behind their products 100% and will do whatever it takes to resolve your issue quickl and make you happy!

You can't ask for any more than that from a company, and as such I highly recommend the Turbo Klone product to anyone who may be in the market for a cloning machine!

My only caveat to that would be to TEST RUN your cloner for 72 hours using plain tap water and no plant material just to make sure you have a viable pump that won't give up the ghost on you in the middle of your cloning session!

Now we just need to wait for the Blueberry mother plants to grow a little more and give us another dozen cuttings! We will keep you posted on when our next cloning project will begin!

 

[papatater]

Man that sounds great they replaced the pumps sorry about the clones but your other plants are lookin great them blue berrys are smokin your outdoor grow will look like paradise before to long cant wait to see them gals in flower great grow plus reps if they well let me

 

[Goldengoose7]

Man that sounds great they replaced the pumps sorry about the clones but your other plants are lookin great them blue berrys are smokin your outdoor grow will look like paradise before to long cant wait to see them gals in flower great grow plus reps if they well let me

Thanks Man!

It did suck when the pump broke, but as I said in my last post, those Turbo Klone guys really took good care of me to the point that I am a VERY happy camper! An extra $80.00 pump and $25.00 worth of clone collars for FREE is nothing to sneeze at!

Thanks for the props on my other plants outside! No doubt that the pure mountain air and summer sunshine is making them all VERY HAPPY right now! There is talk of rain in the forecast for tomorrow and Wednesday, so I will have to keep an eye on that. Sometimes up here when we get T-Storms our overnight temps can plummet and get down into the danger range, even this time of year. Although seeing a storm system like the one off the west coast in July IS very unusual!

A 30 degree drop in one day is not unheard of up here in the Sierra!

In outdoor crop news...I finished transplanting all the remaining seedlings and second gen clones into 5 gallon pots, so everything is done and ready for final veg and eventual flowering! Like you said above, I can't wait to see what kind of buds I get off those mother Blueberries and GDPs!

Talk to ya soon and thanks as always for checking in!