GeoFlora Nutrients Discussion Thread

[Jon]

I always enjoy reading your logic and thought process Shed. Thank you for asking and glad you noticed. It's on purpose. I wanted to do my own comparisons with various factors. One of them being Terp inside but not outside. I would like to see if I can distinguish the taste difference for myself.

I am by no means an expert or even experienced enough to consider myself a connoisseur. I do however want to approach my grows as though I'm growing the finest buds possible. I want to start fine tuning my nose and instincts if that makes sense. Bare with me...I'm a little baked.

Your next question is also excellent because I wanted to see how the plant responds to pest pressure with ONLY foliar applications versus in the drench. So far, the SNS209 foliar is doing amazing! I see signs of pests but none that are alive long enough to cause more damage! That's a game changer for me!

Just catching up and not trying to jump in and extend the conversation, but one observation/opinion: Terp inside vs. Terp outside, the difference, imho, will be indiscernible. Terp is Terp. It seems the real question is how is the sun going to affect the Terp inclusion versus LED, not so much outdoor/indoor. I believe the environment will be irrelevant, and the only difference, if any, you notice will be due to the sun/LED difference. It's an interesting experiment.

 

[Jon]

I saw some pretty healthy grows in the Girl Scout Cookies threads using these nutes so whatever the mix is, it must be complete enough to produce consistently good results. There were some questions early on about how much to add to the potting mix and then top dress with, but once those got sorted all of the grows seemed to have great success with them.

I'm not debating the science of what you're saying and it makes sense, I just don't know enough about the science to have an informed opinion on that.

I'm sort of with you on this one Azi. It works amazingly well by itself. Yet at the same time, as it's basically just microbes, it gives you the flexibility to play around with whatever you think might work. I thought and think they're spectacular just as is. That said, I do add stuff cuz I like to experiment, and as you see from some of the horse's mouth commentary here, it's perfectly fine to do that.

 

[Jon]

I watched a Dian Fossey special on the Nat Geo channel about a year ago. This discussion is reminding me of those gorillas pounding on their chests. But through all that the troop of gorillas were tightly knit and looked out for one another. Nothing wrong with differences of opinions as it sparks debate which often lead to new ideas beneficial to all. Just please remember to respect each others opinion even if you don't agree with them.

I personally know nothing you guys and gals are talking about. I don't have a scientific bone in my body nor do I have a desire to spend time trying to figure it all out. We have scientists to do that for us. But I have like 40lbs each of GeoFlora Veg and Bloom and trying to decide if I want to give it a go with my auto flowering plants. I grow my autos in ProMix and want to find out how it will work in this medium. As yet I have been unable to find a grower on this site growing autos in promix using the GeoFlora nutes. Anyone know someone on here using the GeoFlora nutes with autos and promix?

Oh, I agree with everyone who has posted on this thread the last 2 days.

Hi @beez0404 - I haven't used it with ProMix, but I have grown autos with Geo in Fox Farms soil, and I've grown autos in Sohum living soil with Geo amendments. If that has any correlation to what you're looking for I'll be glad to talk about whatever, just say so.

 

[beez0404]

Hi @beez0404 - I haven't used it with ProMix, but I have grown autos with Geo in Fox Farms soil, and I've grown autos in Sohum living soil with Geo amendments. If that has any correlation to what you're looking for I'll be glad to talk about whatever, just say so.

Promix really only has mycorrhizae, perlite, and lime in it. There are no nutrients in it as far as I am aware. I guess some nutrients can be found in the peat moss right? So the plants would 100% dependent on whatever nutrients are added to the promix to grow and flourish.

At some point I'll grow an experimental auto plant and use the Geo Flora nutrients and see what comes of it.

 

[Jon]

Promix really only has mycorrhizae, perlite, and lime in it. There are no nutrients in it as far as I am aware. I guess some nutrients can be found in the peat moss right? So the plants would 100% dependent on whatever nutrients are added to the promix to grow and flourish.

At some point I'll grow an experimental auto plant and use the Geo Flora nutrients and see what comes of it.

Sounds just like coco if you added Great White. Whatever you feed, they get.

 

[zPotato]

this is my to go guru when it comes to busting bro science

 

[UrbanGardner]

Promix really only has mycorrhizae, perlite, and lime in it. There are no nutrients in it as far as I am aware. I guess some nutrients can be found in the peat moss right? So the plants would 100% dependent on whatever nutrients are added to the promix to grow and flourish.

At some point I'll grow an experimental auto plant and use the Geo Flora nutrients and see what comes of it.

I am on my 6th (4 photo 2 auto) run with Promix HP mycorrhizae and @GeoFlora Nutrients plus @DYNOMYCO. I add FF Microbe brew and Big Bloom because it is on hand and I hate to see it sit on the shelf. In my first few runs I ran into issues in mid/late flowering. I suspect it was due to ph rising because I use city tap water. Our water has a high alkalinity and I feel buffering capacity of the pro-mix diminishes. I fixed that issue by using RODI water with added cal-mag. I also am now growing in only 10gal pots from seed to harvest. I find that the larger medium volume helps stabilize everything. I have seen vigorous growth and large yields.

 

[Jon]

I am on my 6th (4 photo 2 auto) run with Promix HP mycorrhizae and @GeoFlora Nutrients plus @DYNOMYCO. I add FF Microbe brew and Big Bloom because it is on hand and I hate to see it sit on the shelf. In my first few runs I ran into issues in mid/late flowering. I suspect it was due to ph rising because I use city tap water. Our water has a high alkalinity and I feel buffering capacity of the pro-mix diminishes. I fixed that issue by using RODI water with added cal-mag. I also am now growing in only 10gal pots from seed to harvest. I find that the larger medium volume helps stabilize everything. I have seen vigorous growth and large yields.

Nice. I use the same additives sometimes in microbe grows. I also toss in some Kelp Me Kelp You for the initial wetting of the medium/prepping the pot.

 

[Jon]

I am on my 6th (4 photo 2 auto) run with Promix HP mycorrhizae and @GeoFlora Nutrients plus @DYNOMYCO. I add FF Microbe brew and Big Bloom because it is on hand and I hate to see it sit on the shelf. In my first few runs I ran into issues in mid/late flowering. I suspect it was due to ph rising because I use city tap water. Our water has a high alkalinity and I feel buffering capacity of the pro-mix diminishes. I fixed that issue by using RODI water with added cal-mag. I also am now growing in only 10gal pots from seed to harvest. I find that the larger medium volume helps stabilize everything. I have seen vigorous growth and large yields.

But if Ph is irrelevant to microbe grows, are you sure that's it? Mid to late flowering issues, depending on what kind of issue, *might* be the result of the plant getting ahead of the microbe load in the pot? I tend to change the Geo Bloom nutes schedule in mid to late after doing it this first time with success to every 12 days instead of 14, maybe the last two or three bloom feedings. Just wondering. Thanks.

 

[HashGirl]

I personally know nothing you guys and gals are talking about. I don't have a scientific bone in my body nor do I have a desire to spend time trying to figure it all out. We have scientists to do that for us. But I have like 40lbs each of GeoFlora Veg and Bloom and trying to decide if I want to give it a go with my auto flowering plants. I grow my autos in ProMix and want to find out how it will work in this medium. As yet I have been unable to find a grower on this site growing autos in promix using the GeoFlora nutes. Anyone know someone on here using the GeoFlora nutes with autos and promix?

Oh, I agree with everyone who has posted on this thread the last 2 days.

I have ProMix doctored with GF Veg ready to go for my 2 Blueberry autos. I haven't moved them from the Solo cups where they are currently being fed MC at the start. The Blueberry autos are in my HashGirl's 2021/2022 Grow: Blue Dream, Clementine, Gelato & Pineapple Express In ProMix grow journal.

 

[GeoFlora Nutrients]

I’m copying this here because I’d like to make sure @GeoFlora Nutrients sees it, as well as anyone else looking for information on their products:

Okay so, @GeoFlora Nutrients i have some questions.

1) I see that your nutrients are made with a whole list of the “usual suspects” for soil amendments. Does this mean your top dress is a combination of bacterial and fungal foods meant to be made available by soil biology?

2) is the biological addition to your nutrients sufficient to supply soil with the minimum recommended biomass of 300ug/g of bacteria and fungi?

3) I notice also that your nutrient system supplies no predatory organisms (Protozoa, nematodes, micro arthopods), what is the mode of nutrient cycling that takes place with your nutrient system if no predators are present?

4) your listed organisms are only about 4-5 species of very similar bacteria and 4-5 species of very similar VAM fungi, do you have recommendations for driving biological diversity up?/do you make a product that provides bacterial diversity in the thousands or tens of thousands of species and a product that provides saprophytic fungi?

I’m just trying to understand how to better use your products, thanks!

For @ChefDGreen and everyone else tuned in to this question/conversation, science got back to me:

Our top-dress formula does contain some ingredients intended strictly as food for microbes, for example, molasses. Some of our ingredients (such as blood meal) are readily available for plant uptake, while others require breakdown by soil bacteria to become available to the plant. Because of this we include a boost of beneficial bacteria: Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus amyloliquefaciens, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus megaterium. We only include strains that are tested and proven effective, as well as able to survive through packaging to reach your grow.

You are correct in that we do not supply predatory organisms. We also don't include fungi in our formula. We utilize a few species of bacteria known as plant growth-promoting rhizobacteria. As the bacteria grow, they break down the components and secrete acids that contain soluble forms of nitrogen, phosphorus, and other micronutrients for the plant to uptake. While predatory organisms may help balance or further this process, the bacteria are sufficient to provide the plants with the necessary nutrients on their own.

You are welcome to add other bacteria, fungi, nematodes, etc to your grow based on your needs and experience. We often recommend adding a mycorrhizal inoculant such as @DYNOMYCO to further benefit your grow, though they are not required to keep your plants healthy with our nutrients.

We do not have a product to boost the types of bacteria to add to your Geoflora grow, just the addition of beneficial bacteria already present in our fertilizer. I'm not sure that there is any product available that would provide thousands or tens of thousands of species of microbes reliably. There are also a lot of legal and label restrictions around adding bacterial charges to these types of products, so that's something to keep in mind, too.

 

[UrbanGardner]

But if Ph is irrelevant to microbe grows, are you sure that's it? Mid to late flowering issues, depending on what kind of issue, *might* be the result of the plant getting ahead of the microbe load in the pot? I tend to change the Geo Bloom nutes schedule in mid to late after doing it this first time with success to every 12 days instead of 14, maybe the last two or three bloom feedings. Just wondering. Thanks.

I am very careful not to make too many changes grow to grow. I can say for certain the only thing I changed was my water. Based on some research I did on Pro-mix and how the media ph can change over time.
MYTH Series: Water pH Relates to Medium pH
It makes sense to me that the ph rises toward the end of the plant cycle with my tap water.

I can't speak to how ph relates to microbe grows. But I have had good success with @GeoFlora Nutrients and pro-mix.
I follow the directions on the package and that is it.

Like everything in life. Your mileage will vary.

Here is my last auto grown in pro-mix and @GeoFlora Nutrients

 

[StoneOtter]

I am very careful not to make too many changes grow to grow. I can say for certain the only thing I changed was my water. Based on some research I did on Pro-mix and how the media ph can change over time.
MYTH Series: Water pH Relates to Medium pH
It makes sense to me that the ph rises toward the end of the plant cycle with my tap water.

I can't speak to how ph relates to microbe grows. But I have had good success with @GeoFlora Nutrients and pro-mix.
I follow the directions on the package and that is it.

Like everything in life. Your mileage will vary.

Here is my last auto grown in pro-mix and @GeoFlora Nutrients

Sweet rootage Urb!

 

[Bill284]

For @ChefDGreen and everyone else tuned in to this question/conversation, science got back to me:

Our top-dress formula does contain some ingredients intended strictly as food for microbes, for example, molasses. Some of our ingredients (such as blood meal) are readily available for plant uptake, while others require breakdown by soil bacteria to become available to the plant. Because of this we include a boost of beneficial bacteria: Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus amyloliquefaciens, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus megaterium. We only include strains that are tested and proven effective, as well as able to survive through packaging to reach your grow.

You are correct in that we do not supply predatory organisms. We also don't include fungi in our formula. We utilize a few species of bacteria known as plant growth-promoting rhizobacteria. As the bacteria grow, they break down the components and secrete acids that contain soluble forms of nitrogen, phosphorus, and other micronutrients for the plant to uptake. While predatory organisms may help balance or further this process, the bacteria are sufficient to provide the plants with the necessary nutrients on their own.

You are welcome to add other bacteria, fungi, nematodes, etc to your grow based on your needs and experience. We often recommend adding a mycorrhizal inoculant such as @DYNOMYCO to further benefit your grow, though they are not required to keep your plants healthy with our nutrients.

We do not have a product to boost the types of bacteria to add to your Geoflora grow, just the addition of beneficial bacteria already present in our fertilizer. I'm not sure that there is any product available that would provide thousands or tens of thousands of species of microbes reliably. There are also a lot of legal and label restrictions around adding bacterial charges to these types of products, so that's something to keep in mind, too.

Thanks for the quick and thorough reply.
I find adding Bokashi and Insect frass to my coco with your nutrients turns them into rocket fuel.
I hope it's OK to list those two things.
I just love your stuff.
I recommend it to everyone, we'll you see that I guess.
From new to experienced growers, soil or coco, its perfect
Thank you so much for your excellent product and all your support.
We all really appreciate you and your wonderful service.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[ChefDGreen]

Thanks so much for getting back to me on those questions!

 

[BakedARea]

@Jon I ended up changing my logic/direction with the outside vs inside using Terpinator. It was a wrong approach.

At some point I'll grow an experimental auto plant and use the Geo Flora nutrients and see what comes of it.

Besides wholeheartedly agreeing with your statement of respect, I would definitely encourage you to give it a go. Everything you need for the plants is in there. The constant watering though, watch the pH and mineral requirements.

Not so impressive. What should I do with the rest of this All Natural Systemic Pest Control?

I'll happily take it off your hands.

If you dont want the rest of your 209, send it to me and it will be put to good use.

I'll fight ya for it!

For @ChefDGreen and everyone else tuned in to this question/conversation, science got back to me:

Our top-dress formula does contain some ingredients intended strictly as food for microbes, for example, molasses. Some of our ingredients (such as blood meal) are readily available for plant uptake, while others require breakdown by soil bacteria to become available to the plant. Because of this we include a boost of beneficial bacteria: Bacillus subtilis, Bacillus pumilus, Bacillus amyloliquefaciens, Bacillus licheniformis, Bacillus megaterium. We only include strains that are tested and proven effective, as well as able to survive through packaging to reach your grow.

You are correct in that we do not supply predatory organisms. We also don't include fungi in our formula. We utilize a few species of bacteria known as plant growth-promoting rhizobacteria. As the bacteria grow, they break down the components and secrete acids that contain soluble forms of nitrogen, phosphorus, and other micronutrients for the plant to uptake. While predatory organisms may help balance or further this process, the bacteria are sufficient to provide the plants with the necessary nutrients on their own.

You are welcome to add other bacteria, fungi, nematodes, etc to your grow based on your needs and experience. We often recommend adding a mycorrhizal inoculant such as @DYNOMYCO to further benefit your grow, though they are not required to keep your plants healthy with our nutrients.

We do not have a product to boost the types of bacteria to add to your Geoflora grow, just the addition of beneficial bacteria already present in our fertilizer. I'm not sure that there is any product available that would provide thousands or tens of thousands of species of microbes reliably. There are also a lot of legal and label restrictions around adding bacterial charges to these types of products, so that's something to keep in mind, too.

I'm glad the GF team responded because I was about to say exactly all of this.
Just kidding.


Something to keep in mind folks is that in order to get the "organic" labeling, it requires irradiation of the bacteria to keep us safe. Bacteria is dangerous after all. Some species simply cannot live through the irradiation process. The process of allowing 24-48 hrs for the nutrients to start working, is a testament to just how big of a population of microbes are inoculated at every topdress. And as the fertilizer continues to breakdown, more microbes are being released to help attain a constant, consistent, and healthy population. Without them...the organic inputs are useless to the plants. The exact science is often beyond my scope of understanding. But the basics of soil biology, tell me to feed the soil, not the plant. This product does exactly that from the start.

 

[bluter]

look at their banner add at the top of our forum. Organic growing made easy. That seems to be a direct statement.

it's a claim. all it means is organically derived. then let the lawyers figure it.

the media itself would have to be organic to be true. and you of all folk know that. as you strived to grow that way.

is it organic if the media isn't? is it organic if isn't closed loop ? closed loop organics is essentially the goal. that means no outside inputs. so is any organic nute "organic" then ?

this is not a question for geo. it's a question of the definition of what organic growing really is.

in my mind geo is organic derived, and therefore less harmful. that's a step forward. i'm working on reducing my footprint. i re-use my nute run off in the vegetable garden. and try to compost / reuse as much of the cannabis grow material as i can.

this would help that happen.

that makes me happy no matter the claim.

 

[beez0404]

You guys have inspired me. I have a sponsored auto flower grow coming up in about 3-4 weeks and will add @GeoFlora Nutrients both to my ProMix as well as add them as a sponsor of the grow. So it will be a totally sponsored grow featuring the following sponsors.

@Mars Hydro providing the lighting with their FC-4800 LED
@Weed Seeds Express providing the auto flowering seeds
@GeoFlora Nutrients providing the nutrients
@beez0404 providing the well water and electricity

I do wish I had some @DYNOMYCO to add to the GeoFlora nutrients as I've seen a number of growers mention it enhances the grow.

I'm sure others are growing autos with GeoFlora but I have not been able to find any grow journals (cause I stink searching sites like this) so I'll follow directions and see what comes of it.

 

[Jon]

You guys have inspired me. I have a sponsored auto flower grow coming up in about 3-4 weeks and will add @GeoFlora Nutrients both to my ProMix as well as add them as a sponsor of the grow. So it will be a totally sponsored grow featuring the following sponsors.

@Mars Hydro providing the lighting with their FC-4800 LED
@Weed Seeds Express providing the auto flowering seeds
@GeoFlora Nutrients providing the nutrients
@beez0404 providing the well water and electricity

I do wish I had some @DYNOMYCO to add to the GeoFlora nutrients as I've seen a number of growers mention it enhances the grow.

I'm sure others are growing autos with GeoFlora but I have not been able to find any grow journals (cause I stink searching sites like this) so I'll follow directions and see what comes of it.

Hi @beez0404. This sounds awesome! Way to include so many sponsors in one grow, good stuff. That's how it's done!

Btw - I just grew some monster autos (for me - 5 to 6 ouncers) in Fox Farms soil using GeoFlora nutes. They're in my current journal, and they are specifically the Dos Si Dos auto in a 7 and the Gorilla Zkittlez auto in a 7. If you start about post #659 in that journal you'll find this picture, which will start you in mid to late budding but with plenty of time and much better pics as you go forward. You can clearly see they ROCK with GeoFlora nutes. I mean I loved them and will do it again ASAP. A couple things I did was I did use Dynomyco, but Great White or other mycorrhizae would do the trick as well. I also augmented with bokashi and frass, and gave them a few shots of tea from those ingredients. Basically I augmented the microbes the Geo provides whenever I could, and I also used molasses and Terpinator. It's all in there, so if you find it useful, check it out. The GZ and DSD are the two front plants in the first picture of post 659, and there's plenty of focus on them as time goes on. The DSD gave me 6.5 ounces. The GZ was 5.5.

 

[beez0404]

MAN THAT'S A LOT OF READING, @Jon I skimmed through about 20 pages so far and picked up some good ideas. Thanks for the information and very detailed journal.