G-13 by Zigzagburning

Lebowskii said:
How much was that filter? and do you think it would help super mineral heavy water? If I ever go indo Im gunna need something like that, or all of my lines and pumps and stuff will get clogged up from the water. Stupid well water...
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All together with install kit about 70$ with 5 micron filter and oh ya it will take out most minerals but leaves the good ones behind. It is also fully upgradeable to 2 filters with UV witch is Ro (Reverse Osmosis) but that kills every thing. Also there is a kit to let you run it on it's own tap, but that cost more money. I bought the cv1 filter besides the one that came with it. CV1 dual action is a 1 micron sediment and carbon filter in one and is for removing Harsh chemicals like chlorine and chloramines and it works good .I have notice already in the plants that the water is much better. My PH after filter is 7.9 - 8 and it stays there and doesn't jump a point after 3 days of sitting and it is very clear. They recommend to use a 5 micro before it to prolong life but I only hooked it up to the cold water from the kitchen sink with the the CK3 kit and it has a bypass so I don't have to uses it all the time only for drinking and watering so I figure I will get 6 months out of it.

The filter I have is twice expensive as the Normal 5 micron but does twice as much and it goes for 24.99 .I spend 20$ a month easily on bottle water drinking and all so I am saving 60$ or so I figure.
Prices are all in Canadian and are from Rona Hardware store.
There are many verities but rain fresh 250 was the cheapest and it houses most filters.
We are lake water here so it is pretty good it just has a lot of treatment chemicals in it so the one filter I think will be fine and the filter targets all the chemicals that they would use.
IT is bigger then most and water flow is unnoticeable .It seems the smaller the unit the more it costs.
I love it ,My plants love it and my dog loves it to.
 
Lebowskii said:
Excellent! Ill look into one eventually, My water is straight run-off from mountains into our well, so im glad it can filter out crazy amounts of minerals. Something tells me my plants would like plain water better then the mineral enriched stuff. I think some of the leaves have little plant "pimples" because of the water. Is it possible to hook a hose up to one do you think?
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Ya it will hook up to gaden hose right out of the box but be careful it is all plastic. I would use leak tape so you won't hurt threads other then that it would be good to go. I might get an elbow just in case The filter works best when filters are vertical.
If you do have the money to buy a full kit with 2 filters I would check this one out. pretty good price and it made for hydro or indoors.
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Oh I have seed pods starting on that one cola .So I got creative so on a bottom branch I used pollen from my WW&BB I will see how that pans out and my little clone has showed roots ,she is ready for the pot .I will use her as a mom with 2 others .
Man your plants look beatiful
 
well I got my soil down to 6.3 finally. did a water test and there is no chlorine or any other harmful chemicals. I must admit one thing though I was also over feeding extremely.so I cut it in half and now all my plants seem to be growing better .No new leaf discoloration appearing which I am thankful for, because it was stressing me out. I will post pics here after this.Oh I left a seeding room open and my dog ate my clones i took off my flower mom.I was going to take more cuttings but they look so good and yummy I decided not to.
My freak is growing really well and I have 2 moms besides it so I am good to go.
My mom has seeds coming on branches I selected so I am good there too.

2 gallon 32ml of sensi grow 2 part cut down to 15ml for every 2 gallons. I will keep my veg at this and my flower I will boost to 20 ml every 2 gallons half way through grow.I was told this will work best.
 
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Freak
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The frist picture is one of my freaks. Finally I had to give it away. It would not die but yet would not grow. So before I gave it away we went to the next step which I don't like doing ,success rate is very low. I took the plant out of soil shaked it gentely so most of the soil left the roots. I have found for some reason the root were in a little ball. I pulled them a part very carefully and removed the ones that were changing color, mostly the ball.Then I gave it root juice replanted it and then I gave it A good spray .
Hopefully it will recover.
 
Well here is one for the books .My mom was doing so well.I was checking it out yesterday and the smell was so unreal I couldn't take my nose away. Ah that sweet spice sent ,very addictive. So i couldn't stop the urge to grab a bud a give it really good smell. So gave it a little shake to get the scents going and they did filled the the room in a split second.Then Snap! the 2 colas broke but not fully! OOPS
Boom my brain went into doctor's mode and i came up with seal wrap and duct tape. I wrapped it tightly with sealing wrap then warped it with duct tape to give it support.
This is what I got:
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It seems to work.I will tie the branches for support because it seems they are bending allot now.The big bug really kick the bud to produce. due to my light hard to see but the crystals are amazing frosty very frost.
so for some positive pictures
Lebowskii these are for you.You can exspect this but probally allot bigger ,Usally the case when you grow G-13 out side.
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at last but not least one of the buds I seeded
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Weird even the buds with seeds are frosty as hell. Not sure why but i will take it. :bigtoke:
 
Lebowskii said:
Frosty buds + seeds!?!? whoooooooo!!!:thedoubletake: I cant wait for my plants to fill out. Thursday was the start of week 12, and I figure my first one (kandy that has at least a few buds so far....) will be done by the second week of august.

Outdoor takes a really...really... really... long time compared to indo.

Beautiful plants man, how far out from harvest for you? :grinjoint:
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smells like right now Joking:)
It will be exactly 4 weeks in tomorrow(8weeks from seed) 3-4 more weeks to go .But the way she is producing trich's I am thinking 3.I look at her with 30x and they are just starting to fog up.
 
zigzagburning said:
smells like right now Joking:)
It will be exactly 4 weeks in tomorrow(8weeks from seed) 3-4 more weeks to go .But the way she is producing trich's I am thinking 3.I look at her with 30x and they are just starting to fog up.
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Sorry it is 5 weeks in I missed a week some where.They will get final flush on august the 7th and choped august the 13th ha ha my brithday
 
zigzagburning said:
Sorry it is 5 weeks in I missed a week some where.They will get final flush on august the 7th and choped august the 13th ha ha my brithday
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NO WAY MAAN! I will have to have a birthday smoke for ya:bongrip: ill even post a picture for you lol. just remind me... memory is shit these days.... ;)

And its funny you say that... That is almost the same time I expected my Purple Kush to be done... maybe Im being too optimistic though... She doesnt even have crazy uber colas like yours yet... We'll see.... Ive heard a lot about flushing, is a week long enough?

Side note, I had to remove a branch off the lower parts of kandy because it was growing too close to the dirt. In doing so I found a small little bud I accidentally took off, so I dried it out and let it sit for a bit in a paper bag until crispy... I think it was by far the best undercured/under developed bud I have ever smoked!!
 
hey buddy, great journal. as far as G-13 goes, here's another story i was just reading on another board and i just love all the tales surrounding it, so i thought i'd share this one as well.

The Ever Increasing Legend of G13

What could Bigfoot and Marijuana possibly have in common? Every year there are hundreds of reports of sightings of the infamous Bigfoot across North America. From Alaska to Florida, Northern California to Ohio. Much is the same with the elusive and equally legendary G13. A variety reputedly liberated from a government research facility at the University of Mississippi by an unknown assistant, news of the clones “liberation” from Uncle Sam’s garden spread quickly on the underground growing scene. As legend has it, so did the clone before ultimately making its way to the Netherlands’, where its fate would ultimately be sealed as one of the most sought after and elusive legendary strains of cannabis of all time. The Seed Bank was the first Dutch marijuana seed company shipping internationally to all corners of the globe, at the helm, by all accounts, a charismatic Australian known as Neville Schoenmaker who would take the liberated female only cutting and turn it into a variety whose story would later go on to become nothing short of mythical.

The subject of great debate for many years, and to this day a subject of contention with the few dedicated growers who are concerned with the true origins and facts of the variety, G13 has become one of the few varieties of cannabis to cross over into mainstream folk lure, most notably being featured in Kevin Spacey’s classic movie ‘American Beauty’ as a variety of cannabis whose going street price was some two thousand dollars. A price which actor Wes Bentley justified by explaining, “This shit is top of the line. It's called G-13. It's genetically engineered by the U.S. Government. It's extremely potent, but a completely mellow high. No paranoia." An absolutely outrageous price for such a small quantity of cannabis, regardless of quality, none the less it exemplifies the kind of reputation this variety has established for itself since its initial marketing by Neville in the mid 1980’s. Indeed, this variety would never have become the success story that it has if it wasn’t for the subsequent hybrids of the female clone known as G13, which was offered in his store front catalogs to growers all a crossed the globe.

It was these hybrids marketed by Neville and acquired by literally thousands of growers who had access to The Seed Banks Catalogs that would cement G13’s legacy and legendary status as being among the strongest varieties of cannabis ever encountered. A tribute itself to the absolute power of the cutting, since there was only a female clone and no male counter parts to breed a pure G13 with, hybridizations from other varieties had to be used in an effort to pass along the G13’s incredible attributes. There no longer exist a G13 in pure form, the mother plant passed away long ago now while in the care of The Seed Banks ultimate benefactors, Sensi Seeds. So as it goes with the search for G13, one will quickly realize with any kind of dedicated research the only varieties left out there related to the honest, to goodness G13 that can be absolutely authenticated are the original hybrids offered by Neville at The Seed Bank in Holland over 20 years ago now. Among those hybrids were G13xSkunk#1, G13xNorthern Lights, G13xHaze, G13xHashplant, G13xOrtega, G13 x White Widow and G13 (skunk) x White Widow as well as a handful of other obscure hybridizations that were never marketed heavily like some of the varieties mentioned above. Those varieties of course are all verified, legitimate hybridizations that can be said without any doubt to be related to the original cutting. This is the point where things may get confusing and somewhat frustrating for the average consumer because knowing where to obtain these legitimate hybridizations can be a head ache all of its own. Most consumers want to get the best buy for their hard earned currency, and generally speaking a replica or poorly bred G13 simply will not do. And when one looks at the absolute mountain of breeders offering something supposedly related to G13, your train can suddenly come to a jolting halt as you ponder over exactly which variety or varieties to purchase. And a wise decision it would be to want the true facts my friends, because not all G13 hybrids are created equal and some of them are outright frauds.

When I initially became interested in the G13 myth, the most natural starting point in my mind upon the discovery of quite a few sources to obtain the genetics from was to research where the original genetics ultimately went and where they can be obtained today. Along the way I discovered quite a few cuttings in private hands which are said to be G13 its self, but for which no credible proof exist or has been offered in which to authenticate their claims or the ultimate origins of their “G13”. Most notably among those private cuttings is the Airborne G13 cut which looks very similar to the known G13 x Northern Lights photographs, which of course though, is not nearly enough evidence to say with any kind of certainty that it is indeed one of the hybrids originally released by Neville in the ‘80s.But that is pretty much all we are left with, such as the case with many varieties on the market today in fact. Where the only real proof one has is the word of the breeder or what little photographic evidence exist to support their claims. Other private cuttings said to be G13 include the So Cal G13, the LG13 (Louisiana) and the PG13 (Pacific). Interestingly enough, the person known as Pacific had no less than three versions of G13, none of which were related to the true G13 cutting and some of which were actually obtained from government (DEA) confiscated marijuana stock from private growers and medical users. So the ultimate pedigree of some of the Pacific G13 varieties could be anything from Durban Poison to Hindu Kush, and anything in between. There are dozens more varieties all touted to be G13 or a derivative of G13, but none of which can offer any kind of validation or support to back up their assertions. And ultimately any G13 variety with any kind of authentication has to be traced back to Neville and the hybridizations initially offered twenty years ago at The Seed Bank, because that’s where it all started in the first place my friends.

So where can we as the consumer go to purchase legitimate G13 hybridizations today? There are a handful of legitimate breeders all offering something that can be legitimately traced back to the original cutting known as G13. Most notably is Mr. Nice Seed bank, which is fronted by infamous international Hash smuggler Howard Marks and operated by legendary breeders Shantibaba and the man himself, Neville Schoenmaker (the former owner of The Seed Bank). So it’s pretty much a no brainer that if you would like to obtain some authentic lines related to the original cutting of G13, that you start with the very place the legend started, Neville himself at Mr. Nice Seed. Mr. Nice Seeds (MNS) currently offers a three generation interbred variety of G13 x Skunk where the criteria for each subsequent backcross was for G13 dominant varieties. From there the original skunk male was used to create a G13 (skunk#1) x skunk #1 variety easily available to the public as well as the G13 (skunk) x Black Widow (White Widow) which looks to be an incredibly encouraging variety in its own right. Other companies which offer a variety legitimately related to the authentic cutting include Sensi Seeds, which offers a G13xHashplant hybrid strangely enough named after the aforementioned Howard Marks. Known as Mr. Nice, the G13xHashplant offered by Sensi Seeds is a legitimate G13 hybrid that can be traced back to the original cutting because Ben Dronkers, the owner of Sensi Seeds, ultimately acquired his stock from Neville. Along with Sensi Seeds, Soma Seeds offers a G13xHaze lineup from which one haze dominant male G13 x Haze hybrid was found in a very small handful of seeds said to have been given to Soma by well known author Ed Rosenthal, who acquired the seeds originally from Neville. Soma has subsequently used that haze dominant male, although technically related too the original G13, to hybridize several other varieties in his library and thus establishing the authenticity of his G13 stock, however remote it may be.

Like with any good marijuana story of this nature, there exist quite a few versions of the original story. Some of which make for great camp fire stories, but none of which seem to have any kind of real sustenance behind them other than popular lure. Such is the case with one Sandy Wienstien, who is said to be a founding member of Sacred Seeds (a point of contention by Sam the Skunk Man). Sandy is credited for the breeding of Early Girl and is also said to be the one who discovered G13 along with the Bay Area Durban Poison clone. As the story goes, the group responsible for the breeding of Skunk#1 lost some of their Afghan varieties due to grey mold issues and at this point in time during the ‘70s Afghanica cannabis genetics were not as widely prevalent as they are today. As luck would have it, Mr. Wienstien is said to have had a friend in the Alabama/Mississippi region who was a first year botany student. This friend is said to have lucked into a job with Dr. Carlton Turner at the University of Mississippi and sent a handful of Afghan varieties that showed promise from the University of Mississippi, back to Mr.Wienstien. Among those Afghanica varieties was the famed G13.

In another twist of the story, perhaps even related in some strange way is the story of Michael Hallman, who is a character said to have collected a wide variety of quality cannabis strains in the 1960’s and ‘70s. As the story goes, the CIA and FBI did hybridization experiments with Mr. Hallman’s collection of marijuana genetics and they are said to have developed one of the most powerful marijuana strains of all time. With an alleged THC percentage of over 28%, this variety would be more than double the potency of most conventional marijuana strains of the era. It is this clone, said to have been developed by the government that was liberated from Green House 13 all those years ago now, that is today responsible for the urban legend as it stands that became known as G13. This particular part of the story is one of the newer elements of the story to emerge and in my opinion is an example of an urban legend continuing to evolve and expand as the years go by. What we do know, is that in fact the government was growing marijuana at research facilities no later than the 1970’s. According to Zimmer and Morgan, The Potency Monitoring Project (PMP) conducted at the University of Mississippi in 1973 found the average sample of cannabis tested to have a potency of 1.62% THC with many varieties being over 4% THC. With the highest sample of cannabis tested at the time coming in at 9.5% THC. Two years later, a study done by PharmChem is said to have tested a variety which registered at 14% THC. So the possibility of strains of cannabis existing at the University of Mississippi seems to certainly be plausible, although whether or not G13 was among them remains unclear. At the time of the Potency Monitoring project, Dr. Carlton Turner was in charge of the program and today the University of Mississippi still does research in regards to cannabis under the guidance and tutelage of Dr. Mahmoud El Sohly.

Ultimately what should matter to you as the grower and consumer is where to obtain the most legitimate G13 hybrids if you’re interested in growing this variety. There is no shortage of companies peddling something called G13, but your best bet is to stick with the companies who have a legitimate claim to the varieties name sake. Of those companies, Mr. Nice Seeds may very well be your best option for obtaining an authentic hybrid related to the original cut. With the original cutting being marketed by Neville at The Seed Bank and of course the fact Neville can be found today working alongside Shantibaba at Mr. Nice Seeds, it’s a sure bet that what you’re receiving is a legitimate hybrid of this mythical and legendary variety. The G13 (skunk) x Skunk #1 and the G13 x Widow at Mr. Nice Seeds have both earned the respect of many growers around the globe, and who knows? Maybe you’re next?
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your ladies are looking great buddy, i'll be checking back :goodluck:
 
PhishyPhil said:
hey buddy, great journal. as far as G-13 goes, here's another story i was just reading on another board and i just love all the tales surrounding it, so i thought i'd share this one as well.



your ladies are looking great buddy, i'll be checking back :goodluck:
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Well I tell you the Truth of this strain as much as I know of it.It came out around the 70's .I got a few seeds of it that was from 80's and it came from supposedly from Russia and the female horticulturist that made this strain her name was Gaby . She made this strain from 13 back crosses of the 13 most potent strains back then.Then she crossed them again 13 times but all hybrids.This was the first time this was ever done. She also was the one to figure out that if you stress out a plant it would Hermie.Even when there were just cuttings as they say but it was actually out in pure female seeds and there was never a male in her crossing it was all done by grafting and this was the first time this was ever done. She was also the one that figured out that either had a hormone in it that female plants used to produce females and this method is the most common method used today.All the seed banks will put there own story to it to sell seeds(sorry guys). And by fluke that story did happen that I told but what didn't tell is that the strain was around before that and the dates were a little changed but it did happen on the 13th of a month.

They used the pot plant because it was easy to do it too.What they were actually trying to do is make a 100% identical plant from not a clone but from seed. Some say she have succeeded in that and some say she hasn't.
But some 40 years later they are making clones from animals and this was first started by an Russian scientist and some say that it was her worked that got him to that point.

The seeds I have I know are from the real g-13 gene. There is one seed bank I know that has the true g-13 and there are using it to make these high THC strains we see today.Mostly every plant we see today will have some trace of g-13 in it.
The funny thing is the were 2 strains .there were g-13 and gh-13 H meaning Hermie and that is what we are seeing today. The G-13 is an actual 100% identical plant done by seed but it was never given to the public.This plant when grown would never turn into a Hermie no matter if you stressed it or not and this what she or he was trying to do.
I said she or he because it is rumor that it was a he scientist that made this strain and named after his daughter Gaby but i think they did that so know one would know that it was a female that did it, that would not look good in the Russian books back then and maybe even today.

The orignal name of this strain was called Gabby 13 or G-13(Gabby)
And that is the turth!!!
 
Also if you have a real g-13 you will know because when crossed with a male it seeds should only be 1% male and the rest would be all female and g-13 dominant and the seed banks are trying to reproduce this strain but with no luck.But now we are seeing strains like.
Kush
sharks breath
Strom trooper
Kalli mist
blue berry
straw berry cough
any berry strain
and allot more all have the g-13 strain in it from back crossing it.
even the mini mites and low riders are from a Russian strain, rudiriles< haha not sure how it is spelt

Thank you Gaby who ever you are
I am not trying to pull the wool over your eyes but doesn't make sense
 
Ok well it looks like I will be harvesting this weekend so it was 7 full weeks of flower. But as I grow g-13 I will still post here. I decided that the big room is too big and I am going to try and flower with Fluorescents
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Lebowskii said:
Congrats on reaching harvest time bro! BEAUTIFUL plants!!

What are you growing next / how much / and when can I subscribe to your next journal!

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My next adventure you might like. I am going to grow 4 plants(G-13) indoors ,but I am going to do it under fluorescents lamps (8 2' lamps 2000 lum each =16000 lum) in a 2X2X5 ' grow tent I do have 2 of these tents so right before I put them to flower I will take cuttings and use one tent for them and use one tent to flower
I have seen it done with really good results, so I got the set up for it so what hell ah! If anything happens like getting to big for the 5' high grow tents I will have the big 8' high grow tent for back up.
I will amp up my journal a bit when I do this I am going to put total cost compared to my big tent which is 430 watt SHPS .
This winter I am going to do 26 plant SOG style .Really thinking of buying a EB&grow system and trying the hydro which will set me back about 600$ for a full 26 plant kit .Not sure if I want to dish the cash out for that right away. After that I going to get into more of the breeding part and see if I can make a good strain.
 
zigzagburning said:
My next adventure you might like. I am going to grow 4 plants(G-13) indoors ,but I am going to do it under fluorescents lamps (8 2' lamps 2000 lum each =16000 lum) in a 2X2X5 ' grow tent I do have 2 of these tents so right before I put them to flower I will take cuttings and use one tent for them and use one tent to flower
I have seen it done with really good results, so I got the set up for it so what hell ah! If anything happens like getting to big for the 5' high grow tents I will have the big 8' high grow tent for back up.
I will amp up my journal a bit when I do this I am going to put total cost compared to my big tent which is 430 watt SHPS .
This winter I am going to do 26 plant SOG style .Really thinking of buying a EB&grow system and trying the hydro which will set me back about 600$ for a full 26 plant kit .Not sure if I want to dish the cash out for that right away. After that I going to get into more of the breeding part and see if I can make a good strain.
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INCREDIBLE! I just got my toes wet with cloning... got one good trainwreck clone. As much as I want to take clones off ALL of my plants... I dont have the space or the money to support more family members... ;) Although... I have been secretly planning my indoor setup, and I think I have just the place for it. 26 plants! what a step up! what are you gunna do with all that smoke!?!? :smokin:

Eventually, I want to do what your doing. I want to take a strain, get really good and knowledgeable about how they grow and what works best for it, then eventually try breeding on a larger scale to get my own strain... but that is wayyyyyyy down the line for me. so until then... Ill just watch you do it ;)
 
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