Nope,..me too Ween!
Flump's Grow: Dinamed CBD, 2019/12
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I watered her Dec 20th. Pot still feels heavy to me but I still suck at knowing when is ready...Am I the only one who'd like to see those dying leaves removed?
She looks almost ready for a drink....?
Okay.. I will remove those leaves tomorrow..
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I had to remove some leaves that turned yellow no big deal as she grow she will get more leaves so you wont even know you took them off in a few days
Heyas Flump & Gang. I agree remove the large lower fans. They have had it. Dec 20 until today is 15 days. I would think they should dry up over an inverval of that length. It maybe worth mentioning that as the root ball grows. The weight of the pot or plant will increase. Gazoo took close observations on this and called it his Root ball mass accordingly.
I have mis judged when to water them in the 1 gallon pots a few times due to the weight. If you have too and they are dry enough. Pop the pot off the plant and it should stay intact without the loose soil falling. Inspect the root system for possible up canning this would likely help the plants overall health as we saw over at PC’s Garden. You can also feel how and what part of the root mass is still damp or wet or if it’s all dried up
Another detail to mull over is when you are dunking each pot. Are you letting the pot drip dry a lot. Even more so are you raising the pot on a 45* angle then letting it fall and suddenly stopping it. These are all actions I do wise I let the small 1 gallon pot drip dry and shake out any excess water. Only after a good 4/5 mins of these steps will I set the pot on a saucer and slip it back into the tent. Having an extra let’s say 100ml of drench volume sitting in the small pot would extend the wet / dry cycle more. Making it the plant take many days to receive 2/3 altered feedings of the TP / GE with plain waterings in between. That slow cycling due to not leaching excess drench out of the pots can lead to less actual amounts of feed the plants get over a 30-45day period. Or just piss the plant off due to its feet being wet for too long and no dry period.
Anyways sorry for the long rant it’s just troubleshooting I wanted to explain my thinking. I could be wrong and the wet and dry cycle is completely working fine.
My second thought would be enviornment or soil microbial activity.
You added a heater recently. How stable does this heater make the enviro? When I used a small one on setting 2-3 of 10. It would give very big fluctuations on temp. Also if it was anywhere near a pot of soil that would dry it out much faster then the pots not as close to the small space heater. Also it used 12.5 amps lol. A better remedy for me was to make sure the pots were insulated well off the floor. 2-4inch air gap plus insulation under the tent etc. And then I would raise my entire homes temp with the central air 2-3f. This gave me a much more stable enviro then using the heater beside or inside the small tent.
Aim to have night temps at 70f stable. So within 1-2f of 70. More like 70-72f. Then day time highs try to have stable at 78-81. RH in veg try to have that 50-60% as many hours of the day as u can. Play with the tent doors. Ports. Light height. Fan setups. Any insulation under the tent? Etc.
I hope any of this info helps you out Flump. Have a great Sunday would ya. Cheers all
I have mis judged when to water them in the 1 gallon pots a few times due to the weight. If you have too and they are dry enough. Pop the pot off the plant and it should stay intact without the loose soil falling. Inspect the root system for possible up canning this would likely help the plants overall health as we saw over at PC’s Garden. You can also feel how and what part of the root mass is still damp or wet or if it’s all dried up
Another detail to mull over is when you are dunking each pot. Are you letting the pot drip dry a lot. Even more so are you raising the pot on a 45* angle then letting it fall and suddenly stopping it. These are all actions I do wise I let the small 1 gallon pot drip dry and shake out any excess water. Only after a good 4/5 mins of these steps will I set the pot on a saucer and slip it back into the tent. Having an extra let’s say 100ml of drench volume sitting in the small pot would extend the wet / dry cycle more. Making it the plant take many days to receive 2/3 altered feedings of the TP / GE with plain waterings in between. That slow cycling due to not leaching excess drench out of the pots can lead to less actual amounts of feed the plants get over a 30-45day period. Or just piss the plant off due to its feet being wet for too long and no dry period.
Anyways sorry for the long rant it’s just troubleshooting I wanted to explain my thinking. I could be wrong and the wet and dry cycle is completely working fine.
My second thought would be enviornment or soil microbial activity.
You added a heater recently. How stable does this heater make the enviro? When I used a small one on setting 2-3 of 10. It would give very big fluctuations on temp. Also if it was anywhere near a pot of soil that would dry it out much faster then the pots not as close to the small space heater. Also it used 12.5 amps lol. A better remedy for me was to make sure the pots were insulated well off the floor. 2-4inch air gap plus insulation under the tent etc. And then I would raise my entire homes temp with the central air 2-3f. This gave me a much more stable enviro then using the heater beside or inside the small tent.
Aim to have night temps at 70f stable. So within 1-2f of 70. More like 70-72f. Then day time highs try to have stable at 78-81. RH in veg try to have that 50-60% as many hours of the day as u can. Play with the tent doors. Ports. Light height. Fan setups. Any insulation under the tent? Etc.
I hope any of this info helps you out Flump. Have a great Sunday would ya. Cheers all
Heyas Flump & Gang. I agree remove the large lower fans. They have had it. Dec 20 until today is 15 days. I would think they should dry up over an inverval of that length. It maybe worth mentioning that as the root ball grows. The weight of the pot or plant will increase. Gazoo took close observations on this and called it his Root ball mass accordingly.
I have mis judged when to water them in the 1 gallon pots a few times due to the weight. If you have too and they are dry enough. Pop the pot off the plant and it should stay intact without the loose soil falling. Inspect the root system for possible up canning this would likely help the plants overall health as we saw over at PC’s Garden. You can also feel how and what part of the root mass is still damp or wet or if it’s all dried up
Another detail to mull over is when you are dunking each pot. Are you letting the pot drip dry a lot. Even more so are you raising the pot on a 45* angle then letting it fall and suddenly stopping it. These are all actions I do wise I let the small 1 gallon pot drip dry and shake out any excess water. Only after a good 4/5 mins of these steps will I set the pot on a saucer and slip it back into the tent. Having an extra let’s say 100ml of drench volume sitting in the small pot would extend the wet / dry cycle more. Making it the plant take many days to receive 2/3 altered feedings of the TP / GE with plain waterings in between. That slow cycling due to not leaching excess drench out of the pots can lead to less actual amounts of feed the plants get over a 30-45day period. Or just piss the plant off due to its feet being wet for too long and no dry period.
Anyways sorry for the long rant it’s just troubleshooting I wanted to explain my thinking. I could be wrong and the wet and dry cycle is completely working fine.
My second thought would be enviornment or soil microbial activity.
You added a heater recently. How stable does this heater make the enviro? When I used a small one on setting 2-3 of 10. It would give very big fluctuations on temp. Also if it was anywhere near a pot of soil that would dry it out much faster then the pots not as close to the small space heater. Also it used 12.5 amps lol. A better remedy for me was to make sure the pots were insulated well off the floor. 2-4inch air gap plus insulation under the tent etc. And then I would raise my entire homes temp with the central air 2-3f. This gave me a much more stable enviro then using the heater beside or inside the small tent.
Aim to have night temps at 70f stable. So within 1-2f of 70. More like 70-72f. Then day time highs try to have stable at 78-81. RH in veg try to have that 50-60% as many hours of the day as u can. Play with the tent doors. Ports. Light height. Fan setups. Any insulation under the tent? Etc.
I hope any of this info helps you out Flump. Have a great Sunday would ya. Cheers all
Very well said Wrenn!
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Hi Wrenn,Heyas Flump & Gang. I agree remove the large lower fans. They have had it. Dec 20 until today is 15 days. I would think they should dry up over an inverval of that length. It maybe worth mentioning that as the root ball grows. The weight of the pot or plant will increase. Gazoo took close observations on this and called it his Root ball mass accordingly.
I have mis judged when to water them in the 1 gallon pots a few times due to the weight. If you have too and they are dry enough. Pop the pot off the plant and it should stay intact without the loose soil falling. Inspect the root system for possible up canning this would likely help the plants overall health as we saw over at PC’s Garden. You can also feel how and what part of the root mass is still damp or wet or if it’s all dried up
Another detail to mull over is when you are dunking each pot. Are you letting the pot drip dry a lot. Even more so are you raising the pot on a 45* angle then letting it fall and suddenly stopping it. These are all actions I do wise I let the small 1 gallon pot drip dry and shake out any excess water. Only after a good 4/5 mins of these steps will I set the pot on a saucer and slip it back into the tent. Having an extra let’s say 100ml of drench volume sitting in the small pot would extend the wet / dry cycle more. Making it the plant take many days to receive 2/3 altered feedings of the TP / GE with plain waterings in between. That slow cycling due to not leaching excess drench out of the pots can lead to less actual amounts of feed the plants get over a 30-45day period. Or just piss the plant off due to its feet being wet for too long and no dry period.
Anyways sorry for the long rant it’s just troubleshooting I wanted to explain my thinking. I could be wrong and the wet and dry cycle is completely working fine.
My second thought would be enviornment or soil microbial activity.
You added a heater recently. How stable does this heater make the enviro? When I used a small one on setting 2-3 of 10. It would give very big fluctuations on temp. Also if it was anywhere near a pot of soil that would dry it out much faster then the pots not as close to the small space heater. Also it used 12.5 amps lol. A better remedy for me was to make sure the pots were insulated well off the floor. 2-4inch air gap plus insulation under the tent etc. And then I would raise my entire homes temp with the central air 2-3f. This gave me a much more stable enviro then using the heater beside or inside the small tent.
Aim to have night temps at 70f stable. So within 1-2f of 70. More like 70-72f. Then day time highs try to have stable at 78-81. RH in veg try to have that 50-60% as many hours of the day as u can. Play with the tent doors. Ports. Light height. Fan setups. Any insulation under the tent? Etc.
I hope any of this info helps you out Flump. Have a great Sunday would ya. Cheers all
Thanks a lot for this post. I'm currently out of town but will definitely check all this tomorrow. Here's some info in the meantime...
I will pop the pot and see what's what. When I dunked, I did let it drip and I did 45deg angles from all sides. No water was dripping from the pot when I slipped it back in the tent.
The new small heater starts when light closes and temp is 74f stable. Day temp is 78f stable. I measure the temp at canopy level. RH is set to 65 and oscillates between 60 and RH day and night. RH also measured at canopy level. Tent as floor insulation. Pot rest in a grit guard 2
5in of air gap which rest on 2in insulation foam. Light is approx 20-25in from canopy. I'll re-mesure everything tomorrow to be sure...
I've never been lucky with indoor growing in pots. My only successful indoor grow were all hydro (lettuce, tomatoes and weed). I don't have a green thumb when it comes to soil... However, I'm a perseverent person and I WILL GET THERE!
Thank you all for your advices and for being patient with me...
Flump...your thumb will turn green using this system....
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Great post Wren Thanks for all the infoHeyas Flump & Gang. I agree remove the large lower fans. They have had it. Dec 20 until today is 15 days. I would think they should dry up over an inverval of that length. It maybe worth mentioning that as the root ball grows. The weight of the pot or plant will increase. Gazoo took close observations on this and called it his Root ball mass accordingly.
I have mis judged when to water them in the 1 gallon pots a few times due to the weight. If you have too and they are dry enough. Pop the pot off the plant and it should stay intact without the loose soil falling. Inspect the root system for possible up canning this would likely help the plants overall health as we saw over at PC’s Garden. You can also feel how and what part of the root mass is still damp or wet or if it’s all dried up
Another detail to mull over is when you are dunking each pot. Are you letting the pot drip dry a lot. Even more so are you raising the pot on a 45* angle then letting it fall and suddenly stopping it. These are all actions I do wise I let the small 1 gallon pot drip dry and shake out any excess water. Only after a good 4/5 mins of these steps will I set the pot on a saucer and slip it back into the tent. Having an extra let’s say 100ml of drench volume sitting in the small pot would extend the wet / dry cycle more. Making it the plant take many days to receive 2/3 altered feedings of the TP / GE with plain waterings in between. That slow cycling due to not leaching excess drench out of the pots can lead to less actual amounts of feed the plants get over a 30-45day period. Or just piss the plant off due to its feet being wet for too long and no dry period.
Anyways sorry for the long rant it’s just troubleshooting I wanted to explain my thinking. I could be wrong and the wet and dry cycle is completely working fine.
My second thought would be enviornment or soil microbial activity.
You added a heater recently. How stable does this heater make the enviro? When I used a small one on setting 2-3 of 10. It would give very big fluctuations on temp. Also if it was anywhere near a pot of soil that would dry it out much faster then the pots not as close to the small space heater. Also it used 12.5 amps lol. A better remedy for me was to make sure the pots were insulated well off the floor. 2-4inch air gap plus insulation under the tent etc. And then I would raise my entire homes temp with the central air 2-3f. This gave me a much more stable enviro then using the heater beside or inside the small tent.
Aim to have night temps at 70f stable. So within 1-2f of 70. More like 70-72f. Then day time highs try to have stable at 78-81. RH in veg try to have that 50-60% as many hours of the day as u can. Play with the tent doors. Ports. Light height. Fan setups. Any insulation under the tent? Etc.
I hope any of this info helps you out Flump. Have a great Sunday would ya. Cheers all
Your most welcome Flump. And thanks Brotha Ween. I’m not sure if the plant will just upcan soon and leave these issues behind or if something is actually off.
I have been seeing more of the pale yellow fan leafs and intense purple veins and petioles a fair bit in Kit users grows lately. Hard for me to put a finger on exactly what is happening. My first couple grows in the kit I never had any of these issues. My last run of Maui had some of this slightly in veg and now similar looking fans are showing up in mid bloom.
All in all I’m not very worried as Doc has mentioned the buds will still be excellent. He was right my Maui girls buds are very sweet. Potent and full of resin.
Sorry to hear you haven’t had much success indoors. We’re all here for you though and I’m sure your indoor will do great.
Enjoy the night we can see how she looks tomm then. Cheers guys
I have been seeing more of the pale yellow fan leafs and intense purple veins and petioles a fair bit in Kit users grows lately. Hard for me to put a finger on exactly what is happening. My first couple grows in the kit I never had any of these issues. My last run of Maui had some of this slightly in veg and now similar looking fans are showing up in mid bloom.
All in all I’m not very worried as Doc has mentioned the buds will still be excellent. He was right my Maui girls buds are very sweet. Potent and full of resin.
Sorry to hear you haven’t had much success indoors. We’re all here for you though and I’m sure your indoor will do great.
Enjoy the night we can see how she looks tomm then. Cheers guys
If she were mine , i would plop her down in a minimum of ten gal's. of new soil. 
And when he says 10 gals minimum he means it no 9gal pots allowed!
no 9gal pots allowed!Hi Wrenn,
Thanks a lot for this post. I'm currently out of town but will definitely check all this tomorrow. Here's some info in the meantime...
I will pop the pot and see what's what. When I dunked, I did let it drip and I did 45deg angles from all sides. No water was dripping from the pot when I slipped it back in the tent.
The new small heater starts when light closes and temp is 74f stable. Day temp is 78f stable. I measure the temp at canopy level. RH is set to 65 and oscillates between 60 and RH day and night. RH also measured at canopy level. Tent as floor insulation. Pot rest in a grit guard 2
5in of air gap which rest on 2in insulation foam. Light is approx 20-25in from canopy. I'll re-mesure everything tomorrow to be sure...
I've never been lucky with indoor growing in pots. My only successful indoor grow were all hydro (lettuce, tomatoes and weed). I don't have a green thumb when it comes to soil... However, I'm a perseverent person and I WILL GET THERE!
Thank you all for your advices and for being patient with me...
that plant is going to be just fine as soon as it can grow some roots. The new growth coming in a week will be great.
patience.....
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Hi folks,
Here's some update. I first trimmed the yellow/purple leaves. I have a tiny winni plant now ... Next I inspected the root ball. Everything seems to be fine to my non-expert eye. Mass was a little bit humid still so I'll wait before giving it water... Finally I modified my fan setup. I ditched the two little oscillating fans (which are garbage btw, sorry @PCaddict... - see picture...) for an oscillating tower fan. The plant now sits higher so the full plant and pot is exposed to the fan. Light is 20in from canopy. I set the RH on the controller to 60. I'll report back the stable day/night temp/RH later...
Let me know what you think. I hope I didn't cause any issue... With this update, what should I do at this point?
Some say transplant in bigger pot, others says to wait... I'm confused...
Thank you so much for being patient with me!
Here's some update. I first trimmed the yellow/purple leaves. I have a tiny winni plant now
... Next I inspected the root ball. Everything seems to be fine to my non-expert eye. Mass was a little bit humid still so I'll wait before giving it water... Finally I modified my fan setup. I ditched the two little oscillating fans (which are garbage btw, sorry @PCaddict... - see picture...) for an oscillating tower fan. The plant now sits higher so the full plant and pot is exposed to the fan. Light is 20in from canopy. I set the RH on the controller to 60. I'll report back the stable day/night temp/RH later...Let me know what you think. I hope I didn't cause any issue... With this update, what should I do at this point?
Some say transplant in bigger pot, others says to wait... I'm confused...Thank you so much for being patient with me!
Don't stress Flump! You've got great advice from a top kit grower in Duggan to up pot and Doc himself says to wait it out. I am certain that either option will work great for you but I can't really say which way to go. On one hand, fresh soil is sure to help the turn around and on the other hand it may be easier and better to do the rescue in smaller pots.
Clear as mud!? Sorry! I'm sure the boys will drop by shortly.
Clear as mud!? Sorry! I'm sure the boys will drop by shortly.
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Looking good Flump the top leaves are reaching up to the lights that's Great and no problem on the fans I am sure I will be replacing them soon but I have them so I will use them for a bit Glad you got your enviro all set I know I need to do a little better on that but don't have the money for a controller
so I have to go with what I got. Great job Looking good
so I have to go with what I got. Great job Looking good
Don't stress Flump! You've got great advice from a top kit grower in Duggan to up pot and Doc himself says to wait it out. I am certain that either option will work great for you but I can't really say which way to go. On one hand, fresh soil is sure to help the turn around and on the other hand it may be easier and better to do the rescue in smaller pots.
Clear as mud!? Sorry! I'm sure the boys will drop by shortly.
It's a classic situation where two courses of action will fix the problem. New soil will help....yep.
But so will letting a root system develop. Duggan uses much, much larger pots than I do, so naturally his style is going to be a bit different.
I personally do not like to transplant in such a way that it causes stress to the plants. I like to wait till the rootball is more like a football.....perhaps it's time to post some IG vids? You can find them on my IG.
Just saw the picture of the rootball....please, please do NOT transplant yet. You've barely got any roots! Wet/Dry for at least 2 weeks.....
There you go Flump! Thanks Doc!
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