Hozona
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After reading so much about it and seeing BIDs results, I'm a believer that has switched to GLR and DLS for my grow.
Fluffy's Got The Golden Ticket
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So I have a question. lets just say auto seeds cost about 14 usd and they all freeze to death what kind of savings does the gas lantern routine give you? or even if they didn't die and they grew so slow from the cold they added a couple extra week's veg to get them were you wanted them before the 12/12 switch. Just my logic on the matter. Ok Giga I'm ready mate, got my hard hat on brother hammer away..
See Fluffster I swam only half way across the pond before I got me knickers (what do they call guy's underwear over there? not trying to say I wear panties lol) out of me bottom. Thanks for jumping in and braving the shark's to get me back Fluffy I know how you fear them.
See Fluffster I swam only half way across the pond before I got me knickers (what do they call guy's underwear over there? not trying to say I wear panties lol) out of me bottom. Thanks for jumping in and braving the shark's to get me back Fluffy I know how you fear them.
Hi Fluff!
read in tony's journal you're interested in making a CO2 bubbler??
IMHO a bigger one like my carboy version would be perfect for your little spaces..
here's a recipe that was posted in my first journal with a few pictures I took..
But I find just attaching the hose to the back of a oscolating fan works best.
Make sure its either at plant level blowing upwards.
Or have it attached to a fan blowing between canopy and light, but you have to have another fan at floor level blowing upwards towards plants. They uptake the CO2 from the underside of the leaves hence the upward blowing fan..
In a bigger carboy like the one in my photo should enrich your little space to about 700-800 PPM.
You WILL see a big difference using one of these things Fluff, and I totally suggest you try it..
Plants will look super dark green and healthy, and they grow so fast. with 2 of these little bubblers in my small space I was seeing my plants grow 2-3 inches a day in veg.
hope this helps!
read in tony's journal you're interested in making a CO2 bubbler??
IMHO a bigger one like my carboy version would be perfect for your little spaces..
here's a recipe that was posted in my first journal with a few pictures I took..
But I find just attaching the hose to the back of a oscolating fan works best.
Make sure its either at plant level blowing upwards.
Or have it attached to a fan blowing between canopy and light, but you have to have another fan at floor level blowing upwards towards plants. They uptake the CO2 from the underside of the leaves hence the upward blowing fan..
In a bigger carboy like the one in my photo should enrich your little space to about 700-800 PPM.
You WILL see a big difference using one of these things Fluff, and I totally suggest you try it..
Plants will look super dark green and healthy, and they grow so fast. with 2 of these little bubblers in my small space I was seeing my plants grow 2-3 inches a day in veg.
hope this helps!
firstly
secondly, they are unlikely to freeze to death in fluffys place, small (fairly well insulated?) appartment with two full adults and a doggy, below 10c shouldnt be overly common.
besides, all the heart warming fluffy hugs our fluffy gives out...she only needs to make eye contact with them and they will go up a couple of degrees
i guess the right veg schedule solely depends on your grow room.if cold night temps is an issue maybe glr isnt for you.it also depends on if it cost more to run your lights at 18/6 or run a little ceramic heater at its lowest setting.nighttime temps can go as low as 65 degrees without stunting growth does your room get colder than that? my dehumidifiers keep the room at around 75 degrees lights off and its winter here.I actually have to run the a/c to get it any cooler than that near the end to get the pretty coloursSo I have a question. lets just say auto seeds cost about 14 usd and they all freeze to death what kind of savings does the gas lantern routine give you? or even if they didn't die and they grew so slow from the cold they added a couple extra week's veg to get them were you wanted them before the 12/12 switch. Just my logic on the matter. Ok Giga I'm ready mate, got my hard hat on brother hammer away..
See Fluffster I swam only half way across the pond before I got me knickers (what do they call guy's underwear over there? not trying to say I wear panties lol) out of me bottom. Thanks for jumping in and braving the shark's to get me back Fluffy I know how you fear them.
Ive vegged pretty much every way you can over the years and they all work great.the thing I like about glr is they are alot closer to flower.I flipped my lights 2 days ago and they are already starting to show sex.so not only do you save money on hydro but you save time in transition which shortens the whole round by at least a week and this saves you more money
very cool DIY Vick
couple of those would be perfect for a closet or 4x8 tent! tell ya one thing brewers yeast and sugar are a hell of alot cheaper than filling co2 tanks at 65 bucks a pop.I just hooked up the 5th tank this round with 2 more tanks to go.
couple of those would be perfect for a closet or 4x8 tent! tell ya one thing brewers yeast and sugar are a hell of alot cheaper than filling co2 tanks at 65 bucks a pop.I just hooked up the 5th tank this round with 2 more tanks to go.
you gotta make one of these Fluffster! the benefits will blow you away.its not uncommon to get 2-3 inches a day of new growth in veg and 20 to 40% increase in yield
firstly
secondly, they are unlikely to freeze to death in fluffys place, small (fairly well insulated?) appartment with two full adults and a doggy, below 10c shouldnt be overly common.
besides, all the heart warming fluffy hugs our fluffy gives out...she only needs to make eye contact with them and they will go up a couple of degrees
I know that but with seedlings they can be so fragile I even keep a very low wattage light bulb in a tin pie pan and then insert that in a
single ply cardboard box and place my newly hatched plants on top of it. (Poor mans heating pad) I also use an old shirt to regulate the ( this also how I get my clones to root faster)temps to keep from cooking them. We are talking about seedlings right? oh crap I better go back and look lol. Fluffeeee you need to camp out next to them until they get strong!
yeah what gittergreen and GiG said
very cool DIY Vick
you gotta make one of these Fluffster! the benefits will blow you away.its not uncommon to get 2-3 inches a day of new growth in veg and 20 to 40% increase in yield
Bingo Bango!
northener
New Member
This journal gos a mile a minute. Don't know if I can keep up
Hozona
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Hang on! It's a fun ride...
what hozona said
Gittergreen, I think that seedlings are much sturdier than that actually.
I used to use heat under them but I don't anymore, and honestly I think that there are more potential perils with heat vs. benefits, as the heat can dry the medium/paper-towel/whatever a little quicker, cooking the roots/seedling (if you're not careful enough, obviously you take smart precautions). I realize that you are adding very little, and controlled warmth. I used to do similar with towels over the heating pad for subtle heat.
I stopped the practice of any heat under seedlings after reading an article/post by Subcool on germinating, in which he called heating pads the biggest enemy to seed germination. In it, he also talked about some seeds he spilled near his BBQ grill when sorting them. He eventually forgot about them until he noticed them growing up through the gravel near his grill, in 40-50f temperatures outside (something like that). Healthy as ever, and he had pics to prove it. Also, seeds sprout all the time outside in temps that are very low compared to what we ever give them.
Since letting go of the idea myself (warmth/heat for seedlings), I've since germinated seeds primarily in a room that is about 67f, with no heat added at all. No probs, and they germinated just as quickly. Granted, once they are up and going, I move them to another room with more optimal warmth/light. But... think about nature and the brutal unpredictable environments they've faced for generations. Me offering up 67f with no heat under is paradise in comparison, ya know?
I worry more about temps/consistency for cloning, personally, though maybe that's not as big of an issue as I think, either. That's the biggest reason that I do some flouros 24/0, for a consistent cloning environment.
Please don't think I was trying to disrespect your opinion, I just wanted to add some food for thought, as I believe that seedlings aren't nearly as fragile as we make them out to be.
northener
New Member
I'm with X here. No use babying your babies when they can handle fairly harsh environments. Energy saved is energy made IMO. Both electrical energy and physical energy spent on over controlling some aspects of your grow could be better spent in other areas.
Hozona
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Just dropped by to say hello Fluffitus Lots of advice...ALL I CAN SAY is WHATEVER XLR8 said....we have been having a clone/germination discussion in a couple of places...from what I can decifer, there are lots of ways to germinate..I have had the best luck with the damp paper towel method, then rockwool or rooting plugs. BID says crack 'em, drop them into rooting plugs and watch 'em grow.
He sprouts a lot more seeds than I do. Hope this helps....hugs
Lots of advice...ALL I CAN SAY is WHATEVER XLR8 said....we have been having a clone/germination discussion in a couple of places...from what I can decifer, there are lots of ways to germinate..I have had the best luck with the damp paper towel method, then rockwool or rooting plugs. BID says crack 'em, drop them into rooting plugs and watch 'em grow.He sprouts a lot more seeds than I do. Hope this helps....hugs
there are lots of things that can easily kill a seedling. i keep my plants at a pretty much constant 25c from the moment they enter water,then in new soil in unused pots and very lightly spraying a couple of times a day and i still get a 3-5 out of 20 fail rate.
some dont crack, some crack but give up, some fail to crack their shell in time, some get unexplained damping off, some taps dry suddenly, some sorta drown, some a born mutated enough to die from malfunction and some have an adverse reaction to your medium....and that all before they even open their first set of true leaves, lol
some dont crack, some crack but give up, some fail to crack their shell in time, some get unexplained damping off, some taps dry suddenly, some sorta drown, some a born mutated enough to die from malfunction and some have an adverse reaction to your medium....and that all before they even open their first set of true leaves, lol
yep...thats why I stick to clones, unless im looking for something new
lmao even with those problems i still go seeds.
even with taking clones from clones. the amount of plants you can spawn per year is a fraction of seeds.
1 single breeding pair can produce more ready to smoke plants per year than could a dozen clones and their decendants.
same again with preparing to make a sow and go outdoor stealth crop...virtually pointless with clones compared to a nice 50 day auto breeding pair at home to make a few thousand plants...from 2 seeds to a thousand plants in a single year...yes pls =D
even with taking clones from clones. the amount of plants you can spawn per year is a fraction of seeds.
1 single breeding pair can produce more ready to smoke plants per year than could a dozen clones and their decendants.
same again with preparing to make a sow and go outdoor stealth crop...virtually pointless with clones compared to a nice 50 day auto breeding pair at home to make a few thousand plants...from 2 seeds to a thousand plants in a single year...yes pls =D
Gittergreen, I think that seedlings are much sturdier than that actually.
I used to use heat under them but I don't anymore, and honestly I think that there are more potential perils with heat vs. benefits, as the heat can dry the medium/paper-towel/whatever a little quicker, cooking the roots/seedling (if you're not careful enough, obviously you take smart precautions). I realize that you are adding very little, and controlled warmth. I used to do similar with towels over the heating pad for subtle heat.
I stopped the practice of any heat under seedlings after reading an article/post by Subcool on germinating, in which he called heating pads the biggest enemy to seed germination. In it, he also talked about some seeds he spilled near his BBQ grill when sorting them. He eventually forgot about them until he noticed them growing up through the gravel near his grill, in 40-50f temperatures outside (something like that). Healthy as ever, and he had pics to prove it. Also, seeds sprout all the time outside in temps that are very low compared to what we ever give them.
Since letting go of the idea myself (warmth/heat for seedlings), I've since germinated seeds primarily in a room that is about 67f, with no heat added at all. No probs, and they germinated just as quickly. Granted, once they are up and going, I move them to another room with more optimal warmth/light. But... think about nature and the brutal unpredictable environments they've faced for generations. Me offering up 67f with no heat under is paradise in comparison, ya know?
I worry more about temps/consistency for cloning, personally, though maybe that's not as big of an issue as I think, either. That's the biggest reason that I do some flouros 24/0, for a consistent cloning environment.
Please don't think I was trying to disrespect your opinion, I just wanted to add some food for thought, as I believe that seedlings aren't nearly as fragile as we make them out to be.
MMM that was good! You know now that you mention it I remember last winter finding a seedling in a container outdoors that had fell out of a hermied plant that I had grown months earlier. I couldn't bare to kill it since it wanted to survive so bad. So I brought it indoors and
gave it a nice place to live haha It would of been better off outdoors it never amounted to anything regardless of my best efforts.
I don't know if it had anything to do with it's cold birth or not hard to tell with unknown genetics and newbie taking care of it.
I do know what I do when I'm in cold water shrinky dinky no kinky!
They are tough little critters aren't they to survive our menacing little fingers!
