First time grower - Outdoor - Harvest status opinions please

[4Dutchess]

fat buds, skinny buds..

A life long friend whos helping me harvest said WHAT to bud washing. So I had him watch Pigeons420 utube video. He said those buds are small and your are fattys and it will soak up the water and mess them up. I said no but will research! I start the flush Sunday so I plan to start harvest in two weeks. I dont know about H202, Im just going to follow pigeons method. Never bud washed before and leary.
Namaste

 

[Doc Bud]

Is bud washing ok with big fat buds too???

Well, let's think this through....


A big bud, by definition, has more surface area (and internal nooks and crannies) that can come into contact with your dandruff, fiberglass dust, hair, pet fur, dead skin cells and who knows what else. Therefore, again by definition, washing a big bud gets rid of big crap.

Now, what about a big bud holding all kinds of water and forming mold deep inside off the bud?

That's another reason why we wash them, to get all that crap out of there! The lemon juice and baking make conditions for mold growth very unfavorable.

Of course, this assumes you're drying your harvest in a clean place....IE not in a mold infested closet, etc.

Another way to frame the discussion: Should large heads of lettuce be washed too?

 

[4Dutchess]

Thank you!!! I will have him read all this

 

[Zafu]

Thanks for that info. I had not known that before about 3% hydrogen peroxide. Without even realizing it I purchased the correct kind when I purchased mine last year. Of course, mine is the 35% H2O2 and you do have to use some precautions, but it is food safe.

Good luck with the harvest!

Thank you! Harvest went well but man, it sure is a lot of work. Unable to get through all three Vanilla Kush; just did two. Waiting on more H2O2 to finish the third this week. Posted about it in the Bud Washing thread. Bud Washing

Nice find. If I can really use 35% and hence 1/11th of the amount will end up the same mixture, wow. This is a much better deal. One gallon of that stuff is about $55 and will make in the neighborhood of 30+ gallons of wash. This is like a 1/5 the cost I spent.

Any reported issues of using the 35% so long as the ration of reduced? Don't see why not, just asking. So to make 5 gallons, I'd add 30% of 3% which is 1.5 gallons H2O2 to 3.5 gallons Water. 35% H2O2 would reduce the 1.5 gallons to 0.13, or 16-fluid ounces to 4 7/8 Gallon of Water. Correct?

@4Dutchess - I suggest asking your friend to spend the time reading that bud washing thread.

Cheers,

Zafu

 

[Doc Bud]

Thank you! Harvest went well but man, it sure is a lot of work. Unable to get through all three Vanilla Kush; just did two. Waiting on more H2O2 to finish the third this week. Posted about it in the Bud Washing thread. Bud Washing

Nice find. If I can really use 35% and hence 1/11th of the amount will end up the same mixture, wow. This is a much better deal. One gallon of that stuff is about $55 and will make in the neighborhood of 30+ gallons of wash. This is like a 1/5 the cost I spent.

Any reported issues of using the 35% so long as the ration of reduced? Don't see why not, just asking. So to make 5 gallons, I'd add 30% of 3% which is 1.5 gallons H2O2 to 3.5 gallons Water. 35% H2O2 would reduce the 1.5 gallons to 0.13, or 16-fluid ounces to 4 7/8 Gallon of Water. Correct?

@4Dutchess - I suggest asking your friend to spend the time reading that bud washing thread.

Cheers,

Zafu

The 35% product is no different than the 3%....it just has less water in it. If the strong stuff is more cost effective, by all means get it!

But remember, there's no need to do peroxide unless you have PM, bud rot, etc.

 

[Zafu]

The 35% product is no different than the 3%....it just has less water in it. If the strong stuff is more cost effective, by all means get it!

But remember, there's no need to do peroxide unless you have PM, bud rot, etc.

Thanks Doc. But if we put money aside for a moment, why wouldn't we use food quality peroxide regardless of PM? I mean, it appears to be an excellent cleaning agent, unless it's just overkill. Since I do have mild PM in my garden, regardless of if I can see it on all my other 8 plants, I'm thinking it prudent to use the peroxide for all of it. What you think?

 

[Doc Bud]

Thanks Doc. But if we put money aside for a moment, why wouldn't we use food quality peroxide regardless of PM? I mean, it appears to be an excellent cleaning agent, unless it's just overkill. Since I do have mild PM in my garden, regardless of if I can see it on all my other 8 plants, I'm thinking it prudent to use the peroxide for all of it. What you think?

If you have one spot of PM on the plant, the whole plant is likely infected, ditto Botyritis. So yes, any sign of PM break out the peroxide!

As far as the food grade vs. regular.....if you want to spend the money, on the food grade stufff, by all means!
I think the 35% might be quite pure as well.

The trick is to avoid both...

 

[Zafu]

I just watched a Jorge video on youtube about using peroxide. He only used 1 cup to 5 gallons of water. What's up with that? Seems light. Also, he said not to agitate so wondering if Trichs are more easily lost with peroxide vs lemon/soda mix. I had no idea and did agitate somewhat myself.

By the way, noticed a praying mantis on my acapulco gold yesterday. I know they are good luck and supposed to be good for Cannibus protection from predators. Nice omen!

 

[DrZiggy]

I just watched a Jorge video on youtube about using peroxide. He only used 1 cup to 5 gallons of water. What's up with that? Seems light. Also, he said not to agitate so wondering if Trichs are more easily lost with peroxide vs lemon/soda mix. I had no idea and did agitate somewhat myself.

By the way, noticed a praying mantis on my acapulco gold yesterday. I know they are good luck and supposed to be good for Cannibus protection from predators. Nice omen!

that video was brought up here a while ago if i remember; many pages ago...
Docs recipe seems to be the one S.N.O.B. members choose over any other leading washing technique.

 

[Doc Bud]

I just watched a Jorge video on youtube about using peroxide. He only used 1 cup to 5 gallons of water. What's up with that? Seems light. Also, he said not to agitate so wondering if Trichs are more easily lost with peroxide vs lemon/soda mix. I had no idea and did agitate somewhat myself.

By the way, noticed a praying mantis on my acapulco gold yesterday. I know they are good luck and supposed to be good for Cannibus protection from predators. Nice omen!

Yep. He let's em sit in there a long time and he rinses with water. Ours don't spend as much time and are then triple washed.

The method that I describe here works everytime, all the time. Just pretend it's a head of broccoli with a teensy bit of mold on it.....do you want a single weak wash, or a 4 step wash before you eat that? Of course, the real question is WHY would you eat moldy broccoli in the first place....and I agree. Toss it in the bin.

But not all of us are in a position to toss an entire harvest, nor is it necessary to do so. Wash 'em. Clean 'em.

Several people have tested washed vs unwashed nugs from the same plant and not only is there no loss of potency on lab test, in come cases the potency INCREASED after washing, most likely due to old amber triches getting knocked off.

I've washed many hundreds of plants. I'll never skip the step, nor will I smoke or ingest unwashed produce.

 

[Zafu]

Yea Doc, I'm totally sold on washing. Seeing what that clear water looks like after washing leaves nothing to wonder about and couldn't agree more about not worrying about Tric loss. If there is some, it's clearly minor and with great clean tasting herb left, taking one more hit is not exactly a hardship

I was only asking about increased Tric loss with the peroxide as Jorge seems to make a point of being gentle, so if there is greater loss in the Peroxide mixture, I'd just save my more aggressive thrashing for the lemon juice/Baking soda mixture. I wasn't gentle and my stuff seemed to come out great.

Just not entirely understanding bypassing the peroxide even in the absence of mold. Especially if using food grade, it seems like it can only make the final product that much cleaner with no negatives and is a great precaution. So having a tough time understanding why a food quality peroxide rinse to start, shouldn't be part of the gold standard for washing all buds.

I took 3 hits of a bud yesterday and while still somewhat harsh as expected, it was pretty potent and felt great, leaving a white ash. What a huge thrill smoking ones own home-grown for the first time.

Cheers,

Zafu

 

[Doc Bud]

Yea Doc, I'm totally sold on washing. Seeing what that clear water looks like after washing leaves nothing to wonder about and couldn't agree more about not worrying about Tric loss. If there is some, it's clearly minor and with great clean tasting herb left, taking one more hit is not exactly a hardship

I was only asking about increased Tric loss with the peroxide as Jorge seems to make a point of being gentle, so if there is greater loss in the Peroxide mixture, I'd just save my more aggressive thrashing for the lemon juice/Baking soda mixture. I wasn't gentle and my stuff seemed to come out great.

Just not entirely understanding bypassing the peroxide even in the absence of mold. Especially if using food grade, it seems like it can only make the final product that much cleaner with no negatives and is a great precaution. So having a tough time understanding why a food quality peroxide rinse to start, shouldn't be part of the gold standard for washing all buds.

I took 3 hits of a bud yesterday and while still somewhat harsh as expected, it was pretty potent and felt great, leaving a white ash. What a huge thrill smoking ones own home-grown for the first time.

Cheers,

Zafu

When you have your next harvest, free from PM and budrot, wash some with and without the peroxide and you can decide for yourself!

 

[Zafu]

Good idea Doc, but would be surprised if I can tell; we'll see. If I can't tell the difference, logic tells me to always use it.

Pic of the day. One of my Laughing Buddha top cola's laughing out loud after a fresh rain.

Peace,

Zafu

 

[Doc Bud]

Good idea Doc, but would be surprised if I can tell; we'll see. If I can't tell the difference, logic tells me to always use it.

Pic of the day. One of my Laughing Buddha top cola's laughing out loud after a fresh rain.

Peace,

Zafu

Wow....it looks beautiful. You have good growth energy, sir.

 

[DankestBuds42]

@DankestBuds42 - Thank you so much and for giving me a positive attitude towards this small PM situation. You're right, it is rather limited and thinking we caught it just in-time. This first grow has really been a labor of love, which I'm sure you all relate to. I'm going to take my entire documentation and translate to a journal when I have time, to give back to this incredible community in hopes it can help others.
Zafu

Hey Zafu. I'm glad you found my feedback helpful of sorts! Definitely think you caught it early on and that's always the best time to deal with an issue. Those buds still looked dynamite. Haven't seen any pictures of your harvest yet. I'm super curious to see the final product! You had some BIG girls last time I checked. I'm sure you'll be set for quite a while haha! I'm dankrupt and fighting the urge to flip to flower. Just a little longer.. A labor of love is a good way to describe it. It's a journey. But it's an awesome freaking journey!

Cheers bud.

 

[4Dutchess]

Zafu, I hope its ok to show off this years yard grow on your thread. Im quite proud and not bad for a newbie!!
Your buds look great! Norcal has some excellent climate!
Namaste

 

[Zafu]

Zafu, I hope its ok to show off this years yard grow on your thread. Im quite proud and not bad for a newbie!!
Your buds look great! Norcal has some excellent climate!

Holy smoke That's just insane. Nice and thanks for sharing. Man, you planted a ton. Beautiful !!!

Hey Zafu. I'm glad you found my feedback helpful of sorts! Definitely think you caught it early on and that's always the best time to deal with an issue. Those buds still looked dynamite. Haven't seen any pictures of your harvest yet. I'm super curious to see the final product! You had some BIG girls last time I checked. I'm sure you'll be set for quite a while haha! I'm dankrupt and fighting the urge to flip to flower. Just a little longer.. A labor of love is a good way to describe it. It's a journey. But it's an awesome freaking journey!

Cheers bud.

Thanks DankestBuds42:

Trimmed some today but still needs another day or so before jarring I think. Doesn't look very crystal like from the pictures. Wondering if I thrashed too much in the wash. That said, it is sure sticky as can be.

 

[Zafu]

Hi guys,

Few questions.

A branch off one of my Laughing Buddhas broke and fell down, but not fully off of tree. It tore where the branch exactly meets the main stalk. Since it wasn't totally ripped off; maybe 75%, I simply lifted it up and tied it so it would stay. It's been about 4 days and so far so good. Does this make sense to you or am I fooling myself?

This is where it tore..

The entire long branch and buds look great, even after 4-ish days, but this bud has purple leaves and no idea why. It's the only one of two that do. Thoughts?

Acapulco Gold. A few of the leaves look like this. What deficiency is this? Do you know?

Lastly, a curing question. If I let my buds get as far down as humidity level of 57 (understanding curing stops at 55), if I place it in jar with Boveda, since that brings it back to 62, will it cure normally, or did letting it drop to 57 screw me?

Thanks.

Zafu

 

[HemiSync]

@Zafu
I don't think you washed your buds to long or vigorously. I'm sure they will be just fine. I still get nervous when I wash my buds.

For the broken branch question, my grow is never complete unless I have at least one piece of duck tape wrapped around something I super cropped a little too aggressively. It will be fine, this plant is after all a weed and will take a beating and keep on growing.

The yellow leaves could just be the plant starting to leach out the nutrients from the lower leaves or a deficiency but I'm not sure which one. As for the purple, it could just be genetics or if it has been cooling down enough outside it could be changing colors in reaction to the temp.

The curing question, you should be fine with what you have in mind. If You ever take it down too low you can always throw in a couple moist buds with the ones curing to bring the humidity back up. Or the Bovedas should do the same thing.

 

[Zafu]

@HemiSync - Thanks bud. Yes, the temp. has dropped considerably at night and wonder if I'll get lucky with some purple in my laughing buddha. That would be nice. I checked my jars after 24-hours and they are reading 65-66 RH, which suggests I did catch it in time. I've got a Boveda 62% in each one, so either the RH monitor is slightly off, or I had more moisture left in buds when jarred than I thought.

I emptied all jars to air them out and re-jarred. Guess I'll do that once a day until it reads 62%, then I'd think I may just have to burp them, if at all. Thoughts??

Checked on my other varieties today and it's interesting. The Laughing Buddha is supposed to be ready after 70-75 days, and Acapulco Gold from 60-70 days, but it looks to me like the Laughing Buddha will be ready before the gold. While I know that time-frame given from Barney's is merely an estimate, they were spot on for the Vanilla Kush. On an aside, the pictures Barney's showed were also spot on for how they turned out. I have to give them props for that.

When growing outside, I'm not even sure when I'd begin counting. Must be easier inside, but maybe not. While transition to flowering began end of September, I'm just using first week of October as my general flowering start date.

Below are pics of a Laughing Buddha bud and an Acapulco bud with associated Tric shots. Any estimates? They both seem to be ripening at the same time. I think I will know when it's right. Getting some intuition on this stuff but can be tricky.

Laughing Buddha today:

Laughing Buddha Tric 1

Laughing Buddha Tric 2

Acapulco Bud today:

Acapulco Tric 1

Acapulco Tric 2

TGIF. Namaste,

Zafu