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[SmokerJoe]

Hey patman,
looks like it's coming along. Surprised nobody has said it but I think you are simply over watering. You shouldn't need to water that often, ever. There is a lot of info about this problem and it is one of the most common and easiest to fix!

By comparison, I've had my Hawaiian Snow going for a couple weeks, granted it's a sativa and they like it drier, and I have watered twice. Shes pretty happy.

All in all looking good.

Best of luck

Trig

you are incorrect as its already been said that he is overwatering by subnoise as well as myself

 

[Triggle]

you are incorrect as its already been said that he is overwatering by subnoise as well as myself

SmokerJoe, guess I didn't see it! Just showing some love to patmans journal.

Cheers!

 

[SmokerJoe]

Its fine im not mad. I had to go back to make sure it wasnt something I missed.

 

[patman13mia]

Hey patman,
looks like it's coming along. Surprised nobody has said it but I think you are simply over watering. You shouldn't need to water that often, ever. There is a lot of info about this problem and it is one of the most common and easiest to fix!

By comparison, I've had my Hawaiian Snow going for a couple weeks, granted it's a sativa and they like it drier, and I have watered twice. Shes pretty happy.




All in all looking good.

Best of luck

Trig

Yea they have pointed it out. I already have watered tonight but i will wait about 3-4 days yo water again.. Will see what happens.

 

[patman13mia]

Hey patman,
looks like it's coming along. Surprised nobody has said it but I think you are simply over watering. You shouldn't need to water that often, ever. There is a lot of info about this problem and it is one of the most common and easiest to fix!

By comparison, I've had my Hawaiian Snow going for a couple weeks, granted it's a sativa and they like it drier, and I have watered twice. Shes pretty happy.

All in all looking good.

Best of luck

Trig

Dang so you have only watered twice in 2 weeks? Is your grow close in comparision with mine? I also am growing a sativa. Just learning and learning!!

 

[SmokerJoe]

I wouldnt wait that long especially since your plants are still babies but its up to you. Id not water those any less frequent then once every 3 days. You want to water 1 good time and not many small watering.

 

[patman13mia]

I wouldnt wait that long especially since your plants are still babies but its up to you. Id not water those any less frequent then once every 3 days. You want to water 1 good time and not many small watering.

Ok so 3 days ill water again.. But instead of counting days i will do a better job of checking the soil. I have done some research on the overwatering and its making sense.. Will take it down a notch!!

 

[jinn]

hempy??

Guide to Hempy Buckets

This style of growing is a huge hit in the US and Canada. Hempy buckets are a great option for growers looking to cultivate big plants, they are also cheap to make and easy to maintain.

To make one, you will need;

A couple of fine hempy bucket examples
- A 20L black plastic bucket (important that it’s black, as this will keep light out of the root zone and prevent algae from growing in the reservoir)

- A drill with a quarter inch or half inch drill bit

- A tray or saucer to catch run-off

- A mix of 3 parts perlite and 1 part vermiculite

- Any decent hydroponic nutrient

Drill a hole on the side of the bucket, 2 inches from the base. Fill the bucket with the perlite / vermiculite mix and pot up your plant (the plant should be root bound in a propagation block). Water from above until you see run-off coming out of the hole on the side of the bucket. The base of the bucket is now a reservoir, effectively mimicking the water table that a plant feeds from when naturally growing outdoors.

For the first 2 weeks the plant will need to be watered little and often - every other day - as its root’s fill the bucket and head towards the reservoir at the bottom. Once the roots reach the reservoir, the growth is phenomenal! The watering is then reduced to twice a week, hand water with nutrient solution until you have achieved around 30% run-off, then you can be sure that you’ve replaced the old nutrients in the reservoir and have drawn fresh oxygen into the root zone.

The hempy bucket offers the constant supply of nutrient, water and oxygen that leads to rapid growth and massive buds. When the roots hit that reservoir at the bottom of the bucket your plant will fly! They’re also less maintenance than a hydro system, as you only check your EC and pH when you feed, rather than monitoring a nutrient tank.

The only downside is that planting up in a relatively large container from the start may mean a longer than usual veg period, so using a larger bucket may not be so suitable if you’re growing small Autoflowering varieties. In which case, simply use a smaller bucket like a 5L or 10L. Alternatively, if you like the idea of very big plants, you could even give a 25L or 30L bucket a go.

So what type of grower are the hempy buckets good for?

Use a good quality hydroponic nutrient for best results
• New growers – when starting out from fresh, there is so much to think about when growing indoors that it makes sense to simplify the actual feeding of your plants. Using a hempy bucket with a built-in reservoir, turns watering into a twice-weekly task… rather than a daily chore. This allows you to concentrate on mastering the basics of your grow room; lights, extraction and fighting the urge to trim off your first buds as soon as you spot them! Newbies scouting for a fail-safe system should look no further, hempy buckets could well be your saviour!

• Nervous over-waterers! – there’s no denying that there is a certain type of grower, usually ones that have easy access to their plants and keep them in their home, who just can’t help checking up on them and having a fiddle! The temptation to ‘just give them a bit extra’ can be so strong, that they eventually over water or over feed. Hempy buckets are ideal for this type of grower, because they allow you to set a strict feeding schedule of watering every 3 days. If you’re still desperate to fiddle with your plants, check out an article on pruning.

• Growers on a budget – if you’re starting a grow on a tight budget and don’t have too much cash to splash on your grow set up, head to your local shop and pick yourself up a few black plastic 20L buckets and a couple of bags of perlite and vermiculite. You can create a hempy bucket set up for a lower price than some quality pots and two bags of soil – and you’ll most likely score a better yield! The perlite can also be washed and reused, saving a little bit more money. All good grow shops stock buckets, perlite and vermiculite, so get them from there rather than the big chain DIY places. Support your local grow shops!

• Growers who like BIG plants – when growing your own, it’s all about getting maximum yield with minimal risk. To avoid getting caught with your hands dirty, it’s generally accepted that less is more. Hempy buckets are a great option for pulling more yield off fewer plants. Check the US forums; you’ll see hempy buckets being used extensively … the plants look like tress!

Here are a few hempy hints and tips for those of you who are itching to give it a go…

Use a quality hydroponic nutrient. It may sound obvious but, when using a reservoir in a passive set-up, organic nutrients will spoil as quickly as they would in active hydro, possibly even quicker as there is no pump to agitate or oxygenate the solution. In hempy buckets you’ll need a good quality, mineral feed.

You can, in theory, start plants in any growing medium and transfer them to your buckets. But, in practice, to avoid transplant shock and keep things clean, try to use a hydroponic medium like coco, rockwool or even a pot of vermiculite and perlite mixed. You can still use a sponge starter cube, like a Root Riot, if you wish.

Plants grown in hempy buckets can get BIG; particularly if you’re using larger buckets, like a 25L or 30L. Plan your space accordingly; you don’t want to overcrowd your room. Also, it’s a good idea to invest in some bamboo canes, yoyos or nets to support those large buds!

Keep your grow room clean and safe; invest in some large saucers or a tray to catch run off after watering your buckets.

Experiment with your growing media. Some growers like to use a 3:1 perlite / vermiculite mix, some like to use straight perlite. Some even like to fill the reservoir of their buckets with perlite or clay pebbles and then add coco on top. Half of the fun of growing your own is experimenting, try a few methods out and see what works for you.

So, there you have it; want to cut down on your watering workload and grow bigger plants? Get the drill out, get yourself some plastic buckets and give it a go.
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I personally have perlite lining the bottom of my bucket up to the drain hole, then use a 50% perlite/50% coco coir mix to fill the bucket.

 

[Triggle]

Dang so you have only watered twice in 2 weeks? Is your grow close in comparision with mine? I also am growing a sativa. Just learning and learning!!

I am not suggesting that you follow my water schedule as the plants and environment they are in will dictate that for you. I simply saw your temp/rh pics and they look just right as in you shouldn't be losing water very rapidly. In my case and as referenced in my journal, my current mix is a little too fine and therefore not draining as well and of course then not needing water as often as they currently sit.

But to answer your question, yes. It was watered the day I got it, I transplanted/watered a week later and then watered with nutes a week after that, which was last Monday.

Water as needed I was just offering my perspective. It was an echo to others and yourself but I did not realize that.

 

[patman13mia]

I am not suggesting that you follow my water schedule as the plants and environment they are in will dictate that for you. I simply saw your temp/rh pics and they look just right as in you shouldn't be losing water very rapidly. In my case and as referenced in my journal, my current mix is a little too fine and therefore not draining as well and of course then not needing water as often as they currently sit.

But to answer your question, yes. It was watered the day I got it, I transplanted/watered a week later and then watered with nutes a week after that, which was last Monday.

Water as needed I was just offering my perspective. It was an echo to others and yourself but I did not realize that.

Yea i understand. Ill do a better job of checking soil before i water. Its been my wife taking care of the plants while i been at work so i told her to wait till i get home to water. Lol. Idk her techniques so ill watch the next time and see what shes doing. Thanks for your help though much appreciated

 

[Subnoise]

Sorry never got back around yesterday had like a 5 hr trim session and still have a lot more to do. As far as the guy at the grow store saying it's nute burn did you show him pics? Nute burn gives you brown crusty tips not yellow color fading leaves. I have never used one of those coco planters but I bet it needs to stay moist enough for roots get through. Obviously you have some sticking out but not many yet. The reason I asked if it was moist to begin with is if it was there would be soil stuck all over it not just the roots. Unless you wiped it off of course. Otherwise jinn is correct hempy is easy he got me turned on to it and there isn't much to it. When it comes down to it you will find what works best for you and your environment. It's all a learning process.

 

[patman13mia]

Sorry never got back around yesterday had like a 5 hr trim session and still have a lot more to do. As far as the guy at the grow store saying it's nute burn did you show him pics? Nute burn gives you brown crusty tips not yellow color fading leaves. I have never used one of those coco planters but I bet it needs to stay moist enough for roots get through. Obviously you have some sticking out but not many yet. The reason I asked if it was moist to begin with is if it was there would be soil stuck all over it not just the roots. Unless you wiped it off of course. Otherwise jinn is correct hempy is easy he got me turned on to it and there isn't much to it. When it comes down to it you will find what works best for you and your environment. It's all a learning process.

Oh yea for sure a learning process and im having a good time.. Im not far alomg enough yet to get discouraged about things not going right. When i spend some money for good seeds i will hopefully have a good grasp on what needs to be done and when

 

[patman13mia]

ok here is an update and stop me if I'm wrong please!!like some have said i think that these lil pots aren't getting wet enough to disenegrate and are blocking the the roots from getting out.. i can now tell that is the issue because the smaller willy wonka is starting to pray upwards like the first one!! if the big one dies thats ok but i think we can def save the small one as the roots probably won't be as long as the bigger plant.. i am going to re pot them back into the 5 gallon pots.. only because my smaller pots are being used up.. or i will find something else to use to hold up the lights.. I'm guessing most will say to use the 3 gallon then re plant to the 5 gallon later huh??

 

[SmokerJoe]

I use 5 gallon pots from start to finish so someone who likes to transfer will have to answer that for you.

 

[patman13mia]

ok i can go straight to the 5 gallons then!! it works better for me!! is it a good idea to get them out of there? the bigger one may loose the tips of its roots but I'm gonna try to be as careful as possible.. i hope to save them both but at least the smaller one!!

 

[patman13mia]

I use 5 gallon pots from start to finish so someone who likes to transfer will have to answer that for you.

so is it a good idea to do or no?

 

[jinn]

You should have no problems transplanting into a 5 gallon.

 

[patman13mia]

ok here is the transplants.. it felt dry in there should i water.. i wasn't going to and just water tomorrow.what do you guys think?? also you can see big willy is getting some curled tips.. also lil willy is reaching for the sky.. i think that is an indication of not being able to grow out the roots far enough.. i my be wrong be wrong.. we will see in a few days..

 

[patman13mia]

 

[patman13mia]