First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic XXX

[MostlyCrazy]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Don't mess with the cotyledons. If it's not strong enough to pull itself apart it's going to be tough for it to make it anyway. Swing and a miss is all it is. You've got the right attitude and lots of help. It's just a matter of time.

 

[bendog420]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

hey bro,just stopped by to check out your grow,,lookin good.. keep it up,ill be watchin

 

[VapedOutJoe]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

flyby, Green007 gave you the temps for the res, right on the money! Keep to those temps, and you'll be good there. +rep Green

Good to see you changed the location of the tubes, and pulled the nutes. 2nd node of leaves is when you can introduce 1/8-1/4 nutes. Since this is your first time with this strain, you might want to go light.

 

[Green007]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Good point Joe, MC always says better to under-feed than over-feed. Thanks for the reps, back at ya!

FlyBy, just incase I misunderstood you, Roseman also wrote another thread called
Temps and Humidity in Deep Water Culture

You should read it too, if you havn't already. Almost all the links in my signature are by Roseman. All great reading if you want to grow in Deep Water Culture.

 

[flybyshooting]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Thanks for the temps green. I meant that I read Rosemans tutorial- which has all his other threads included, just interspersed throughout it
like the temp thread: Deep Water Culture Tutorial, SH Kit & DIY
I would rep you for the help but it says I must spread some around, guess I repped you for something else.
Also glad to know I have people watching! I'll keep posting updates and pictures till I leave in July

 

[Roseman]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

awesome, thank you so much

EDIT: new question, for Deep Water Culture I supposed

The pump attachment has 6 hoses, but I'm only growing 3 plants. Do I shut the valves for these hoses, leave them on in empty netpots, double them up, etc?

You can do either, but if you double up, slow it down to a bare trickle.

If you are using the SH nutrient packets, they are not strong nutes, and are made for first timers. And one packet is made for 6 gallons of water, no matter how many plants are in the tank.
If you read this:

Feeding in Deep Water Culture, Getting Started & PPM

If you are using the SH Deep Water Culture System, or a DWC grow, be it a store bought or a do it yourself homemade, this will help you learn more about feeding your babies and plants. Here I am discussing a 8 gallon reservoir using 6 gallons of water. When a new born baby comes out of the...

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or the Tutorial,
It says to start 1/4 packet when you see the 2nd node. It says you will see the first two round leaves,the cotyledons, then two normal leaves. That is the first node. Only start the nutes AFTER you get the 2nd node visible. After you have 4 full nodes, it doesn't matter, so use the full packet or the remainder of the packet you took the 1/4 out of. I add a 2nd 1/4 dose after the 4rd node and go to full nutes on the 4th node.
You're doing great, just be patient and watchful.

 

[flybyshooting]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

I just checked and the first leaves have grown bigger but the cotyledons are still stuck together

I adjusted the pH and checked the temps, also the epoxy on my overflow tube is not working completely, I need to fix that somehow.

Not really worth a picture
also the seed has not sprouted yet, losing some hope

 

[Roseman]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

After reading further down, you started the nutes too early. You should drain and repalce with pH balanced water and no nutes.
Did you read my tutorial and feeding guide? Those babies weren't ready for a feeding yet with only the cotyledons visible.

 

[Roseman]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Move it up like so

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I can't beleive I didn't catch this before....No Nutes Yet!
Do a res change with just PH balanced water!

Your plants aren't ready for them yet. Wait till the second node of leaves.
Read the 1st post in the "Feeding in Deep Water Culture" link in my sig by Roseman.

I just saw that too, I wish we'd got here sooner.

 

[Roseman]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Roseman said that he puts them in right after they show taproot
I felt like that was too early but I thought they would be ready now

Oh, NO< NO< NO< NO< NO, I didn't say to put nutes in after I see tap root. I've never typed the word taproot.

 

[Roseman]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Yeah, I'd listen to Roseman then. That guy knows what he's talking about!

I have two threads with STICKYS on starting nutes and feeding posted here and I've never said feed them by looking at the roots.

You're mistaken, FlyBy.

 

[Roseman]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Alright earlier this morning I flushed the res and rearraged the tubing as Green007 suggested.

You can see the first leaves on the sprouts, but they are sort of blocked by the brown cotyledons
I'm tempted to part the cotyledons with tweezers, but i figured I should let the plant do its own thing (any suggestions?)

I hope I didn't stunt them too much by feeding them nutrients early
also what temp. water should go in the reservoir?

Here are some pics of the little guys struggling to survive

Please grow tall, little ones

Temps and Humidity In Deep Water Culture

Temperatures, Humidity The temperature is the hardest factor to take control of to me. When confined to a small space, ballasts and HID lights can push temperatures sky-high in no time flat. That is why I use CFLS, to avoid venting heat. This is especially true during hot summer months when...

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Bro, the very best advise I can offer, with love in my heart, and a strong desire to help you is

we don't pack our luggage to go on a long trip in the car, and get in the car, crank it up, start driving and then read the map.
We read the map FIRST and plan the trip first.

You are telling us that you put the water in the tank without knowing what the temp of the water should be???

 

[flybyshooting]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

AHHH Roseman, so much criticism!

With respect to the taproots I was not talking about feeding!
I realized I made a mistake with nutes:

I read Rosemans's entire tutorial but I must have forgotten all the details

for some reason I remembered him saying "babies are hungry but don't want a steak"
so i thought for some reason the baby sprouts would be hungry
I don't know man must have been really out of it

With the taproots I was talking about putting them in the actual Deep Water Culture system

As in, you said you put the seeds into the Deep Water Culture thing when they crack
I was replying to ItsChrome because he said he thought I was being hasty by putting the sprouts into the hydro system
I was not talking about putting in nutes when they show taproot

I realized that putting in nutes was a mistake, and I never said that you told me too, just that I misremembered your post


That being said, I love your tutorial(there is nothing wrong with it! The problem exists with the user[me]!) and I am glad you found my thread.

As for the res temp and the car metaphor, I generally don't plan for where I'm going. I get a general direction (maybe If I'm unsure print out a google maps sheet) and let the road take me there, and only stop if I get lost to ask for directions or find a map. By chance, however, my res temp was 60degrees- pretty close to your suggested 65.

I don't mind if I don't get the absolute fullest out of this grow--It's my first one and I'm just doing it for fun.
Hell, if I get an ounce total I'll be happy. Since I am leaving for vacation in the middle of the grow its clear I don't really have a set path and the reservoir idea was my own. I'm trying to pioneer my own way- Lewis and Clark didn't have a map when they set out West.

Thanks for stopping in though, Roseman. I hope you stick around for the rest of the grow.

 

[flybyshooting]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Also, I decided to post some pictures anyway
nothing crazy, leaves are a little bigger, and the damn cotyledons won't move

also roseman if you are reading this please scroll up and read my previous post (right before this)

 

[Green007]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Patience is the hardest part of growing. Don't worry, they are growing.

The big question is will they still be when you get back from vacation. Should be interesting.

 

[flybyshooting]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Today I gave in and opened the cotyledons. They still hadn't opened even though the first leaves were getting big and I was worried they would interfere with the 2nd set.
I took some disinfected tweezers and gently tried to spring them open. It was no wonder why the plants hadn't-- they were burned together or something. In the end I had to squeeze them from the sides and they sort of sprung open, and the interior looks fresh and healthy and I can almost see a 2nd set of leaves inside.

I was also germinating a backup seed (in case the one I put in the hydro died)
and today I was going to put it in but I finally saw some sprouting material in the right one, so I took the backup (which had a huge taproot, almost 2 inches already!) and poked a longer hole in some soaked rockwool and put it in as well. 4 plants shouldn't overcrowd the system considering they are only getting 13-16 days veg each

Also Roseman, If you are reading this, read post #33

Here are some pics.

 

[MostlyCrazy]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Might have to go 4 corners on them at some point or just manage the direction they grow in. I usually do either 3 or 4 and it's managable. Snow White is a little smaller than WW so you should be fine. Good idea to wait until you had a replacement until you performed surgery.

 

[SanibelGreen]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Looking great man! My completed journal was some snow white also, incredible smoke and great plant!

SG

 

[flybyshooting]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

Thanks for the Tip, Mostly crazy. I think i will train them apart as you suggested rather than repotting, as the LED is directional and I think they will do better focused in the center than on the outsides

Sanibel, Nice buds! I've also heard that SW is a great smoke but I think one of the reasons I picked it was because all the bud porn I saw was so damn frosty.
Why did you decide to switch to a diff light for flowering? Was it taking longer or did you think the buds will suffer in quality? I'm kind of stuck as I can't have a HPS or MH bulb in my attic.
Hope i did not turn my plants hermie already by overnuting them

Also, what did you do with the trimmings? Those leaves were covered in trichs, did you make hash or...? I'm thinking of making some cannabutter and cookies/brownies with mine. I'm not really a hash guy and whenever I use kief I spill most of it.

 

[SanibelGreen]

Re: First Grow-Nirvana Snow White, Attic Hydro LED grow

I love my LED's but flowering them with HPS they packed on a lot more, LED could do the same