First grow - Are my plants doing okay? Please help

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

Ok,so today is exact 1 week I planted plants into soil,have 8 plants,2 are ok grown,1 kind a looks deformed,2- leaves showing about to drop a shell,and 2 havent sprouted yet.
So problem is,im afraid something is going bad,because my plants are dark green and lower leaves are curling down,I was looking alot of pictures on google and other plants seems not to have these problems,and then after reading alot of threads im afraid it dont be nitrogen toxity,since im too noob to give it a correct conclucsion I ask you too help,better to early to ask than too late..So here are some pics:
So this is my "big one" lol :

Second biggest:

The one about to sprout.

I think I wasnt watering enough,i read too much shit about over watering and I think I wasnt watering nearly enough needed,I gave a good water yesterday tho.Plants are under 400W HPS,25inch away from seedlings,temp in room about 79F,night time drops to 65 sometimes.Ventilation very minimum,little hole from house ventilation in,and out still not connected (will do it today,maybe because of oxigen problems?) ,but room is big this is why my vent is not yet set up,I dont want to loose heat in room,room size is 11ft x 6ft,what else,seeds are BB,and another thing,that white with yellow thing is perlite,and it kind a turned yellow,im thinking maybe water is bad thats why it turned it yellow or just it got it wet and under hps yellowed out..No nutes,soil is peat moss about 75% and perlite 25%,what else..water I use tap water,and ph down to about 6.5/6.8 from 7.5/8,maybe down buffer can be causing problems,and I will upload deformed later.Or another possible conclusion,AM I TOO FK PARANOID? LOL,seeds were expensive and I dont want to mess it up...I dont want to mess up anything at all.
BTW just connected air out.

 

[CascadianDank]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

They look great. Those bottom rounded leaves are called cotyledons and they will eventually fall off which is normal.

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

They look great. Those bottom rounded leaves are called cotyledons and they will eventually fall off which is normal.

I dont know bro...Those 2 "sprouting" seedlings are not moving up for like past 2-3 days,maybe I didnt water enough and they died? They got little longer stem tho,it was growing,but I dont see any movement past few days,plus look at this video :
Weed Plants 1 Week 2 Days Old - YouTube
These are big ones,then look at mine,1 plant is something,2 small ass plants,1 deformed,and 2 still sitting in soil for past 2-3 days without any movement,I dont know,I feel something is not ok...

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

At all,when do I start count veg time? When all seeds pop out and then +4 weeks,or from now? Some not even up...

Btw after germinating 2-4 days I put them into soil and imediatly ran lights 18/6,now im reading somewhere you have to keep week long on lights off...

 

[CascadianDank]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Well I can tell you they are very much alive in those pics above. Plants wont grow any bigger than their root system allows and roots wont grow if they are constantly wet because they dont need to search out water if its always there. You have alot of wet soil in those cups for such a small seedling so it has no reason to seek out water. Dont water it for at least a few days and Im sure it will start to grow again.

Over watering does NOT mean too much water it means you are watering too often and not allowing the root zone to dry out which is what promotes root growth.

I dont see what you mean by 1 deformed plant. What kind of soil do you have. Some bagged soils are too strong for seedlings and the leaves will twist and curl but I dont see that in your pics.

I have used HPS and MH for veg and can tell you that HPS vegges slower and seedlings seem to stretch more but theres less stretch once you flip to 12/12 for flower

Im also not sure what you mean by the "week long on light off" you need 16 or more hrs a day of lights on for veg and for flower 12 on 12 off. You can leave the lights on 24/7 if you want but myself I prefer 18 on 6 off, others will prefer different.

 

[CO Finest]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

I only have two?
The tap water are you leaving it out for 24-48 hours for chlorine to evaporate?
What is the pH of the run off?

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Guys there is something really wrong,imagine that 2 plants that were dropping shell,were in same stage for 2-3 days,one leaf came out and it stood in 90angle position,today I was watering them,and some water dropped in on them ( leafes and shell ) THEY IN MINUTE ALMOST DROPPED A SHELL AND ROTATED PROPERLY TO THE TOP LOL,IM TELLING YOU ALL HAPPENEDED IN MY EYES IN 1 MINUTE PERIOD....And before was standing for 2 days....Im browsing all google for past days like crazy,the grow really seems slow,like how can plant be in half of sprout and sit for 2 days like that? Its insane,and I drop some water on it and it sprout in 1 minute like crazy lol...I dont think im underwatering them,since posts are 5 liters,and soil is moist...I was maybe underwatering before too much,because I was waiting for 2 inches from top to dry out,maybe seeds dried out and died? My other idea is PH down buffer which I used caused this,because with it water didnt look good,maybe it crap cheap ph had something bad in it which plants didnt like,since 2 days ago I started using only tap water without any ph down to see how it works....Another thing soil nuted too hard maybe..

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Well I can tell you they are very much alive in those pics above. Plants wont grow any bigger than their root system allows and roots wont grow if they are constantly wet because they dont need to search out water if its always there. You have alot of wet soil in those cups for such a small seedling so it has no reason to seek out water. Dont water it for at least a few days and Im sure it will start to grow again.

Over watering does NOT mean too much water it means you are watering too often and not allowing the root zone to dry out which is what promotes root growth.

I dont see what you mean by 1 deformed plant. What kind of soil do you have. Some bagged soils are too strong for seedlings and the leaves will twist and curl but I dont see that in your pics.

I have used HPS and MH for veg and can tell you that HPS vegges slower and seedlings seem to stretch more but theres less stretch once you flip to 12/12 for flower

Im also not sure what you mean by the "week long on light off" you need 16 or more hrs a day of lights on for veg and for flower 12 on 12 off. You can leave the lights on 24/7 if you want but myself I prefer 18 on 6 off, others will prefer different.

Soil is peat moss I think,thats how it called in english and perlite...

I only have two?
The tap water are you leaving it out for 24-48 hours for chlorine to evaporate?
What is the pH of the run off?

I dont do it on purpose but it usually stannds for 24hours,now I will make sure it will stand like you said..I ran water throu pot im not using since seed havent sprouted so the run off was same as water I run in,normal tap waters ph like 7.3..My peat moss ph is 5.5-6.5,so if i let tap water 7.5 it regulates in the end?

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Ok some leafs start bowing,I mean they are not going straight nicely,I bought some compost and I put those 2 that were sprouting for all week and nothing happended to put one in new compost I bought,and another one to put in compost im using (peat moss ~75%,25% perlite ) but watering it with clear tap water without any PH down,and I took light up from 25 inches to 40 or something,maybe that 400w HPS is too strong for seedlings,dark green leafes,slow growth,leafs has rises in it,anyone experienced anything like that?

 

[virgingrower]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Hey DTW you little seedlings don't look to bad too me,i started to veg mine under a 600w hps and i was having heat issues for example when i lowered the lights towards the seedlings it was getting way too hot so i pulled the light up high in the grow room and lifted the seedlings towards the light (i used old coffee table) and they were fine for the first two weeks,then i switched to a MH bulb after chatting with a fellow grower called SABO, i kept my ph around 6.4 6.6 and they grew just fine,i read anywhere between 6.0-7.0 is fine for soil,also what's the humidity of the room,as seedlings like the higher humidity,i find when i leave the top off the water for 24 hrs the ph went up a little so be sure to check it right before watering

VG

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Ok guys,today seems lucky day,focus on my phone seems to work better so I grab some of those things I am so worried about

Ok these 2,this will be those 2 sprouts I talked before,were same for 2 days and when got some water directly on top started sprounting imediatly,can you see the leafes thats comming out,one seems to have black part,and another one looks little damaged too..Are they ok?

Deformed one I was talking about..

All my lower leafes,on all plants are curling like this,top looks dark green and kind a groowy,most pics ive seen they have seedling top str8 and light green like salad,and mine is dark and groowy,is it normal? Just to remind,seeds - BB.

The left side of the leaf is starting to go down,you can see from shadow how it drops,I hope it will not keep going down little by little every day and at the end curl completely.

Ok another thing im kinda getting think im in the middle of some panic plane shitting my pants because of nothing,but they are 1 week and 1 day old and freaking 2 seeds still in shell,another 2 about to sprout but they wont do it,I looked at some people journals and they seeds freaking sprout 12 hours after germinating and puttin in soil,and in my case it has been 1 week and half shiz happens...I feel something they dont like,why this is slowing down...

 

[virgingrower]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

have you got perlite mixed into your soil as well as on top ? the seedling with it's shell on try spraying it with ph'd water where its stuck on leave it soak in they try to pick it off with a pin that happened to mine and that is what i done,don't force it tho,mine just slid off,the others look ok tho

Cheers VG

 

[virgingrower]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

if they are in containers that are see through you might want to cover it up as the roots don't like the light,the root will stop growing when it hits light

 

[CascadianDank]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

I honestly still cant see anything wrong. If they are growing too slow I still say you are watering too often and not allowing the roots to grow while seeking out moisture which happens when the pots are dry.

If you water say 4 Ozs of water a day and your plant only drinks 3 OZs a day, you have 1 Oz per day left over so your plants roots WILL NOT grow so neither will your plant. After 3 days of watering your plant will have a whole days worth left in the pot so If you add 4 OZs of water again you have way too much in there.

You said you watered last night? Dont water again for a few days and also they are seedlings you should not be feeding them anything at this point and by doing so you are going to cause more problems so your compost isnt a good idea at this point.

You have 5 litres of soil? how much water do you add each watering. A seedling will only use a very little amount so if you are watering enough to moisten all 5 litres it is too much. When I do seedlings I use solo cups and water with about 1/2 a cup a week if that. You have to let them completely dry out then water good and let completely dry again.

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

have you got perlite mixed into your soil as well as on top ? the seedling with it's shell on try spraying it with ph'd water where its stuck on leave it soak in they try to pick it off with a pin that happened to mine and that is what i done,don't force it tho,mine just slid off,the others look ok tho

Cheers VG

Ok thanks I will try it.

if they are in containers that are see through you might want to cover it up as the roots don't like the light,the root will stop growing when it hits light

Yeah I know roots dont like light,but I was thinking I will cover them first time I see a root..

I honestly still cant see anything wrong. If they are growing too slow I still say you are watering too often and not allowing the roots to grow while seeking out moisture which happens when the pots are dry.

If you water say 4 Ozs of water a day and your plant only drinks 3 OZs a day, you have 1 Oz per day left over so your plants roots WILL NOT grow so neither will your plant. After 3 days of watering your plant will have a whole days worth left in the pot so If you add 4 OZs of water again you have way too much in there.

You said you watered last night? Dont water again for a few days and also they are seedlings you should not be feeding them anything at this point and by doing so you are going to cause more problems so your compost isnt a good idea at this point.

You have 5 litres of soil? how much water do you add each watering. A seedling will only use a very little amount so if you are watering enough to moisten all 5 litres it is too much. When I do seedlings I use solo cups and water with about 1/2 a cup a week if that. You have to let them completely dry out then water good and let completely dry again.

Yes I use 5 liter water bottles,I cut out the top so left about 4 liters of soil,Im not sure I have been watering like very rarely before because I was very afraid of overwatering lol,I was looking until 2 inches from top is dry,Few times now watered 2 good amounts because I thought i was strongly not giving enough water..but lets say for last time it was a vodka shot glass of water,whats in it,like 50 or 100ml..Ill try not to water today or tomorrow and next day to water around it so seeds try to spread,no?

 

[virgingrower]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

i know this is a silly question do you have drain holes in the bottom of the containers ?

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

i know this is a silly question do you have drain holes in the bottom of the containers ?

Yes bro I do,like 5 holes covered with wool cloth so perlite wont drop out,added perlite on bottom too to aid drainge...Anyway,OK lets assume that color and stuff is all ok,but why does it grow so slow? I dont want them to grow in 2 weeks,but as much as I look other people achieve my progress in 2-3 days what im doing 8 days and not even at it most of plants..if I dont find whats causing it im gonna end up veging for 3 months,flowring for like 6,and end up harvesting 2 ounches LOL...WITH SCROG..
I was germinating in paper towels,one night I left ( I dont think I did it,someone must have opened ) but probably I did,with one paper towel I forgot to cover seeds,it was without towel on it for like 8 hours,the bottom was wet and stuff,but top wasnt closed,I thought my seeds died,pissed my pants like i am doing now,but maybe it caused some super stress and thats why they are doing so bad now? I repeat,towerl they were sitting on was wet,only top not closed...I dont know..Other explanation I have is
75% peat moss x 25% perlite dont work for BB
water with PH down mess it up,I tried flushing one plant.
Ohh btw,I have that fangi fungi flying crap,with tall anthenes,but I read they are nothing to worry,cus I seem like 5 of them,and imediatly kill after,I dont think soil can be infested so bad so fast,and they usually disapear if you dont water soil for a few days(atleast its what ive read).And one plant had that white tall bug on it,springtail it was i think,he was runnin on root,as i read he disapears too without watering for some days,anyway,i have 5 flies that fungi fangi or whatever,and 2 springtails,I dont think 8 plants are not growing cus of it,i know later on it will cause problems,and i will take care of it now,but for now its really doubt is the thing that slows the things up so critical..

 

[virgingrower]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Sweet sometimes it's the basics that get us ;-)

I started pretty much the same way as you go check out my journal to see if anything can help you out

I found it like that at the start mind i was checking them all the time seemed to take ages to start doing anything they really took off then i wanted to keep mine low buy using some thing called LST (low stress training) but that didn't work out too well as i'm 5 foot 9 and they come up to my waist and not even in flower yet ha ha ha !!

Your in safe hands with the 420 community,great bunch of people with bundles of knowledge

 

[DaTrueWhiteMa]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

Peat moss : including some kint whatever and dolomits,nutrients 14: 16: 18 1kg/m3,ph 5.5 - 6.5 , N100-400mg,P 50-200 mg K 100-500 mg/L .Water I run in is about 7.5 PH ,water I run out is ~6.7 ,any suggestions? Moss too nuted? PH too low or too high? Perlite about 20%.
For people who havent read everything before,plants are growing very slow,sprouting seeds start to sprout imediatly after I drop some water on it,without it days with maybe very minimum progress.Everything is watered good.400w hps 20inch away.No nutes,got drainge.

 

[virgingrower]

re: First grow. Are my plants doing okay? Please help.

If your ph is going in at 7.5 and coming out at 6.7 to work out the ph of the soil you slpit the difference so yours would be 7.1 which is a tad high.When i water mine with ph'd tap water i put it in the top at 6.5 and it comes out 6.2,when i add the nutes i put in the top at 6.2 and it comes out 6.6,i read the ideal ph range for soil is between 6.0 and 7.0 but smack in the middle is best here is a chart to help you out PH and Nutrient Uptake charts!