First Grow Indoor & Outdoor Autoflower In Soil

[Bill284]

Thank you Bill and BK!
Yes i am giving them cal mag with every watering. I do as bill said cal mag first then smoke a cigarette, stare at my plants for 5 minutes then i go back to adding grow, bloom and topmax.
I couldn’t take proper care for two days because I was out of town and when I asked my girlfriend to shut off the lights she shut off the entire thing.. extractor fan+ 2 monkey fans, 1 tower fan and a small humidifier.. for hours
It was 6 hours and she neglected them so much when I came home the tent was wide open and there were some small flies inside but i think they came from the rotten banana that we had laying in the trash..
I was so pissed but then I realized it was my fault for not showing her where the dimmer was on the migro leds but I just took my pulveriser with neem and soap, sprayed the top and they all ran away hopefully they didnt lay too many eggs but i still spray the plants,
maybe every week ill spray them once.
Ive heard people adding neem oil to their soil but my girls have been trough so much stress I kind of want to start over and give them better conditions this time lol.
The 20L ones are abit shorter and im not sure if its too late for them to stretch more?
What surprised me is my lemon og plant that i thought would not make it cus it was so root bound in the solo cup and is now the biggest plant despite being in a 8L pot.. its still huge compared to the others ill take proper pics tomorrow.
Sorry for the long post and thank you once again for helping me.
I will wait till dry then flush
And ill google what BTI is the thing that BK suggested and also get the sticky traps. I had 3 sticky traps hanging and for weeks i only saw 3 gnats but ever since my gf let the tent open there are 10+ bodies now. I dont see any in the air and i also give my plants a little shake twice per day and usually dont see any gnats now. I used to see some before

A fan blowing across the top of your pots will keep them at bay.
The root bound lemon OG - more than likely growing so well because of the large amount of roots she built up.
I'm a big fan of growing roots properly.
Seriously I grow roots, and because I do it so well I get rewarded.
Roots are everything, keep them healthy and happy and your girls will thrive.
6 hrs shouldn't be a problem.
But letting the coco dry makes it hydrophobic so be mindful of that.
Hope you have a great weekend my friend.
Talk soon.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Tin1017]

Thanks bill and i know about the roots i follow you and youve mentioned it how important it is..you are definitely someone that ppl can look up to..
This is my first grow ever and I had only seen plants on images and youtube..
I am feeling very good while doing this despite being illegal where i am from.
I just wish to be able to grow as beautiful plants as urs,, and many other experienced ppl out there but that takes time and effort
My budget was really tight and I even sold my gaming pc to support my grow because I had some issues irl.. long story
I tried to save up for some of the stuff you told me i should get but at this stage I can’t get anything else... hopefully soon.
Waiting for my plants to dry out and then ill flush them.. some leaves are looking really weird, i believe they are called “necrotic” right?
Do you think this can be due to pests in The soil?
I have never flushed them before and I probably started too early with the nutes.
They are in AllMix Biobizz soil and I believe it can get them to week 3-4 with only plain water and maybe cal mag?
I started feeding them week 3 with
Cal Mag
Grow
Bloom

I recently added topmax too, all biobizz
I have dutchpro root nute that I stopped giving them last week

I also have a scrog net but never actually used it. Some of my plants seem rly short maybe i will add it to my tent and try to spread the taller ones abit or not sure if needed actually

Thank you!

 

[Bill284]

Thanks bill and i know about the roots i follow you and youve mentioned it how important it is..you are definitely someone that ppl can look up to..
This is my first grow ever and I had only seen plants on images and youtube..
I am feeling very good while doing this despite being illegal where i am from.
I just wish to be able to grow as beautiful plants as urs,, and many other experienced ppl out there but that takes time and effort
My budget was really tight and I even sold my gaming pc to support my grow because I had some issues irl.. long story
I tried to save up for some of the stuff you told me i should get but at this stage I can’t get anything else... hopefully soon.
Waiting for my plants to dry out and then ill flush them.. some leaves are looking really weird, i believe they are called “necrotic” right?
Do you think this can be due to pests in The soil?
I have never flushed them before and I probably started too early with the nutes.
They are in AllMix Biobizz soil and I believe it can get them to week 3-4 with only plain water and maybe cal mag?
I started feeding them week 3 with
Cal Mag
Grow
Bloom

I recently added topmax too, all biobizz
I have dutchpro root nute that I stopped giving them last week

I also have a scrog net but never actually used it. Some of my plants seem rly short maybe i will add it to my tent and try to spread the taller ones abit or not sure if needed actually

Thank you!

Good morning Tin. hope your enjoying your weekend.
Don't fret about what you can't afford, we all do the best we can with what we have.
Sorry about your gaming system.
You can stock your cupboard bit buy bit as you can afford it.
Your garden is great and minor issues won't prevent a great harvest at this point.
I would be feeding them full strength nutrients right now.
It's a critical point in bud swelling and development so as much food and light energy at this point is vital.
The dead or necrotic leaves aren't pests.
Those were from a previous deficiency that went unchecked.
Good for you for letting them stay.
Plucking bad leaves causes issues to spread so letting them stay was the correct thing to do.
Forgot the scrog net for now , it's too late.
Next run.
What I would do is bend over those tops and drop my light.
Do you know how to lst, or supercrop ?
Squish the stem slowly, roll it back and forth till it softens then bend it over.
Or just tie them over.
Then drop the light 6" and see how the do.
By end of flower I've got my 3 900w lights inches from the canopy.
Flush your pots and refeed and on plain water days put in that root product you mentioned.
You have 3 or 4 weeks left, keep them healthy.
I think I covered everything oh yeah 3 weeks isn't too early to feed.
As soon as there is green leaves they need food.
Sometimes they don't get it all from the soil so I like to feed right away.
Ok now I think I covered everything, hopefully.
Anything else you need I'm always available.
Just Holler.

Stay safe
Bill

See the light is directly on top of the canopy.

 

[Tin1017]

Thank you so much for the replies, Bill! And good morning to you too
They are finally dry (day 4) but i just turned the lights off, once 4 hours have passed I can do the flush?
Should I add abit of cal mag while doing the flush? And you mentioned abit of the root nute, ill add that
Then I wait till dry and ill give them full strength nutes once completely dry- usually 3-4 days due to temps (night- 25c day-29/30c)
I suppose once I am done with the flush and i turn the leds on I can lst them abit. Ive watched videos about it and i have an idea, i guess ill do fine.
And then ill drop the lights even lower
Will post once Ive done everything.
Thank you and have a great weekend!

 

[Bill284]

Thank you so much for the replies, Bill! And good morning to you too
They are finally dry (day 4) but i just turned the lights off, once 4 hours have passed I can do the flush?
Should I add abit of cal mag while doing the flush? And you mentioned abit of the root nute, ill add that
Then I wait till dry and ill give them full strength nutes once completely dry- usually 3-4 days due to temps (night- 25c day-29/30c)
I suppose once I am done with the flush and i turn the leds on I can lst them abit. Ive watched videos about it and i have an idea, i guess ill do fine.
And then ill drop the lights even lower
Will post once Ive done everything.
Thank you and have a great weekend!

Just plain watervfor the flush.
You should do great.
Talk soon.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Bill284]

Thank you so much for the replies, Bill! And good morning to you too
They are finally dry (day 4) but i just turned the lights off, once 4 hours have passed I can do the flush?
Should I add abit of cal mag while doing the flush? And you mentioned abit of the root nute, ill add that
Then I wait till dry and ill give them full strength nutes once completely dry- usually 3-4 days due to temps (night- 25c day-29/30c)
I suppose once I am done with the flush and i turn the leds on I can lst them abit. Ive watched videos about it and i have an idea, i guess ill do fine.
And then ill drop the lights even lower
Will post once Ive done everything.
Thank you and have a great weekend!

Just plain water for the flush.
You should do great.
Talk soon.

Stay safe
Bill

Edit oops site went down, then double posted.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Good luck Tim! You're getting great advice from Bill

 

[Tin1017]

Good luck Tim! You're getting great advice from Bill

Thanks bubbakush, you have been really helpful aswell and supportive in a way when you comment and try to help me out always, i appreciate you.
I did the flush and they took so much water but are now looking horrible, lol.
I left one day for 7-8 hours and when I came back the temp was 37c and i noticed some of the “frost” was gone and the buds look worse idk.. fluffy in a way and some lost all of their frost..
I have a cool bedroom downstairs that I need to start cleaning and preparing then I can move everything downstairs.. it will be exhausting I guess but the temp down there is 10degrees lower I guess they will enjoy it, and its a shady room that gets 0 sun.
Hope they dont get stressed too much. I also looked for mosquito bits/ dunks but couldnt find them anywhere.
I asked at 1 place if they have anythting that would kill fungus gnats larvae and they suggested something ill tell you what it is in a second.
I guess some of them still have 2 weeks left so its worth to do it even if its probably too late now?
Im abit sad but its my first time and my budget was tight.. next time i will do better
My gorilla punch has terrible leaves but looks somewhat bulky. I need to get a microscope to check the trichomes but im kinda lost. How much do you think she has left? I will take better pictures later when I move them downstairs in a cool room

 

[BubbaKush909]

Hi Tin I can't say, she does look close. Is she still drinking? It's best if you can get a good look at the trichs, you want mostly cloudy and usually about 10-20% amber. I think it's a good idea to move them downstairs for the summer, they don't like it too hot. Hang in there and good luck!

 

[Tin1017]

Hi Bubba, yes shes still drinking.

Hi Tin I can't say, she does look close. Is she still drinking? It's best if you can get a good look at the trichs, you want mostly cloudy and usually about 10-20% amber. I think it's a good idea to move them downstairs for the summer, they don't like it too hot. Hang in there and good luck

Hi bubba, I am moving them today.
The room my tent is in was a bathroom before that and it barely fits inside.. and i also exhaust in that same room.
The bedroom downstairs is much bigger, cooler and i can also exhaust outside a window, they will probably enjoy it abit more there.
My gorilla punch looks close to finishing to me and the hairs are probably 70-80% yellow now. I have no microscope yet or anything to check my trichomes with.
Would a 5$ loupe work?
Thanks

 

[Bill284]

Thanks bubbakush, you have been really helpful aswell and supportive in a way when you comment and try to help me out always, i appreciate you.
I did the flush and they took so much water but are now looking horrible, lol.
I left one day for 7-8 hours and when I came back the temp was 37c and i noticed some of the “frost” was gone and the buds look worse idk.. fluffy in a way and some lost all of their frost..
I have a cool bedroom downstairs that I need to start cleaning and preparing then I can move everything downstairs.. it will be exhausting I guess but the temp down there is 10degrees lower I guess they will enjoy it, and its a shady room that gets 0 sun.
Hope they dont get stressed too much. I also looked for mosquito bits/ dunks but couldnt find them anywhere.
I asked at 1 place if they have anythting that would kill fungus gnats larvae and they suggested something ill tell you what it is in a second.
I guess some of them still have 2 weeks left so its worth to do it even if its probably too late now?
Im abit sad but its my first time and my budget was tight.. next time i will do better
My gorilla punch has terrible leaves but looks somewhat bulky. I need to get a microscope to check the trichomes but im kinda lost. How much do you think she has left? I will take better pictures later when I move them downstairs in a cool room

Morning Tin, hope your good.
Easiest way for a new grower to figure out when to harvest is looking at pistils.
Easier than tric's.
Never harvest white pistils.
When she is finished flowering and building for you their white pistols turn red and crinkle in.
So when they are crinkled she will stop eating aswell.
Then check tric's, clear/cloudy energetic feeling.
Cloudy/amber relaxed feeling.
But if you wait until they have all turned dark and crinkle in you will never harvest too early.
Your buds are n interesting color and shape.
Not a lot of red pistils, mostly purple, really cool.
But there a few lighter color pistils, let them all turn redish and crinkle in.
Then your finished.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Tin1017]

Morning Tin, hope your good.
Easiest way for a new grower to figure out when to harvest is looking at pistils.
Easier than tric's.
Never harvest white pistils.
When she is finished flowering and building for you their white pistols turn red and crinkle in.
So when they are crinkled she will stop eating aswell.
Then check tric's, clear/cloudy energetic feeling.
Cloudy/amber relaxed feeling.
But if you wait until they have all turned dark and crinkle in you will never harvest too early.
Your buds are n interesting color and shape.
Not a lot of red pistils, mostly purple, really cool.
But there a few lighter color pistils, let them all turn redish and crinkle in.
Then your finished.

Stay safe
Bill

Hello Bill and thank you for still helping eventhough you seem to be going trough some tough times yourself..sorry

Those buds look bigger in real life
I will try to take better pictures of the whole plant later on, when Im done moving them.
They smell good and are quite sticky.
I was wondering since she should be fed tomorrow, should I still give full strength nutes?
Do I need 2 weeks of no nutes prior to harvest?
Also would you suggest 24hours of darkness before harvest?
I will keep looking at the pistils and hopefully ill be able to look at the trichs soon because I am kinda lost and don’t know what to expect with this plant.
Thank you and sorry for too many questions.

 

[Bill284]

Hello Bill and thank you for still helping eventhough you seem to be going trough some tough times yourself..sorry

Those buds look bigger in real life
I will try to take better pictures of the whole plant later on, when Im done moving them.
They smell good and are quite sticky.
I was wondering since she should be fed tomorrow, should I still give full strength nutes?
Do I need 2 weeks of no nutes prior to harvest?
Also would you suggest 24hours of darkness before harvest?
I will keep looking at the pistils and hopefully ill be able to look at the trichs soon because I am kinda lost and don’t know what to expect with this plant.
Thank you and sorry for too many questions.

Good morning Tin hit the edit button on your pics.
You can crop out the black part.
Just looks better is all nothing wrong.
Buds look huge, bet they smell great, nice work.
I'd give them full strength nutrients according to the schedule.
Usually it will taper weeks 8 or 9, but keep feeding.
There is no benefit in starving your girl last 2 weeks of flowering.
She needs nutrients to finish building for you.
At the end I turn my lights off and give minimum 36 hr darkness.
Led lights degrade tric's.
Letting them sit in the dark gives tric's time to recover and swell before chop.
If you can fit it into your schedule I'd recommend it.
But I chopped for years without doing it and no one complained.
Keep the questions comming and don't fret about harvest I'll walk you through it.
Are you prepared for harvest and cure?
Just as important as nutrients to your grow

Stay safe
Bill

Edit: Apologies for the late reply.

 

[Tin1017]

Hey, @Bill284
I will edit those pictures thanks for the tip.
I can let them sit in a dark place for 36 hours.

So there is no reason to try and treat the fungus gnats larvae at this stage right?
Just keep feeding or can I try and give it abit of that stuff prior to feeding?
Will that be pointless to do especially now when she doesnt have much time left i guess?

As for drying and curing, ill get some boveda packs and jars, I also have hangers and as many closets as u want.
Somehow the gorilla punch that was stunted trough its entire life and never ever looked decent except for last week, has made it first i suppose its cus shes an indica

Edit: no worries for the late replies.. i follow your journal and I can see that you went trough some stuff lately and you still find the energy to help out others. Thank you!
I am just wondering if its worth it to feed her that belem stuff thats supposed to kill the larvae.. also do I give her half water+ belem and then other half with nutes or how do i do it?
She stood quite small for a 20L pot plant and looked horrible troughout her veg and early flower but now she (gorilla punch by fastbuds) looks alot better and her main cola is the biggest one yet. Its bigger than my palm..just looks bigger irl
Id probably have to feed her tomorrow
When giving those insecticides that late in flower can the buds get toxic too?
I am really not sure what to do i bet her roots are just ruined or something because shes rly small yet her buds are rly big she seems like shed need support soon
sorry for tagging you.. i saw you mentioned it somewhere that its better if people tag you so you can get notified.

 

[Bill284]

Hey, @Bill284
I will edit those pictures thanks for the tip.
I can let them sit in a dark place for 36 hours.

So there is no reason to try and treat the fungus gnats larvae at this stage right?
Just keep feeding or can I try and give it abit of that stuff prior to feeding?
Will that be pointless to do especially now when she doesnt have much time left i guess?

As for drying and curing, ill get some boveda packs and jars, I also have hangers and as many closets as u want.
Somehow the gorilla punch that was stunted trough its entire life and never ever looked decent except for last week, has made it first i suppose its cus shes an indica

Edit: no worries for the late replies.. i follow your journal and I can see that you went trough some stuff lately and you still find the energy to help out others. Thank you!
I am just wondering if its worth it to feed her that belem stuff thats supposed to kill the larvae.. also do I give her half water+ belem and then other half with nutes or how do i do it?
She stood quite small for a 20L pot plant and looked horrible troughout her veg and early flower but now she (gorilla punch by fastbuds) looks alot better and her main cola is the biggest one yet. Its bigger than my palm..just looks bigger irl
Id probably have to feed her tomorrow
When giving those insecticides that late in flower can the buds get toxic too?
I am really not sure what to do i bet her roots are just ruined or something because shes rly small yet her buds are rly big she seems like shed need support soon
sorry for tagging you.. i saw you mentioned it somewhere that its better if people tag you so you can get notified.

Good morning @tin107
I answered on my profile,
But feed as normal, then give them the belem immediately after feeding.
Then on plain water days.
You are at the end, but I'd try and kill the dam things.
It won't effect the flavor of your buds.
Those buds are big, wow.
The gorilla punch looks pretty dam good now.
It's all good tagging me don't worry.
It helps me find questions, sometimes I miss them.
I think I answered everything.
If I missed something let me know.
Keep up the good work my friend.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Tin1017]

Good morning @tin107
I answered on my profile,
But feed as normal, then give them the belem immediately after feeding.
Then on plain water days.
You are at the end, but I'd try and kill the dam things.
It won't effect the flavor of your buds.
Those buds are big, wow.
The gorilla punch looks pretty dam good now.
It's all good tagging me don't worry.
It helps me find questions, sometimes I miss them.
I think I answered everything.
If I missed something let me know.
Keep up the good work my friend.

Stay safe
Bill

Hey Bill, hope youre good.
I fed them and then gave them some of the belem granules in water.
They were all really dry and I saw a couple of mites as soon as I watered.. hope they will die within 24-48 hrs.
Some of the plants just stopped growing.
But the gorilla punch buds look nice and theyre rly sticky and smell good wonder if I stop feeding her since its her final 2 weeks or do i feed all the way trough. hopefully i will be able to get a decent harvest for a first timer.. my next grow will be much more controlled
Sorry Bill, but for some reason when I crop my pictures they become horrible quality and you cant even see the trichomes..
Im using an iphone tomorrow ill check for an app that doesnt ruin the quality of the pic.. or see if its a setting
Its 7:30 am here I gotta run. Good night I guess its sleep time for you.

 

[BubbaKush909]

Hi Tin! You're getting advice from the best with @Bill284! They're awfully close. I never liked using the loupe, you can probably get a better look with your phone. Just take clear pics of the trichs and zoom as much as you can. You're really close now and the buds look amazing! Good luck!

 

[Melville Hobbes]

I hold the loupe over the phone camera and take pics. You can also zoom in on them if you need to.

 

[Bill284]

Hey Bill, hope youre good.
I fed them and then gave them some of the belem granules in water.
They were all really dry and I saw a couple of mites as soon as I watered.. hope they will die within 24-48 hrs.
Some of the plants just stopped growing.
But the gorilla punch buds look nice and theyre rly sticky and smell good wonder if I stop feeding her since its her final 2 weeks or do i feed all the way trough. hopefully i will be able to get a decent harvest for a first timer.. my next grow will be much more controlled
Sorry Bill, but for some reason when I crop my pictures they become horrible quality and you cant even see the trichomes..
Im using an iphone tomorrow ill check for an app that doesnt ruin the quality of the pic.. or see if its a setting
Its 7:30 am here I gotta run. Good night I guess its sleep time for you.

OMG @Tin1017 I apologize I missed this post some how.
I feel terrible about that.
Thanks @BubbaKush909 I appreciate the tag.
Hey Tin I always fed right up until harvest and no one has ever complained.
Burns nice Grey ash.

The bud in the pic is incredible, where did you get that strain?
Just by looking at the bud I can tell it's close.
Just about to enter the harvest window.
If you gave her a week before turning out your lights it will probably be fairly clear tric's.
But I'd wait a bit longer.
That pic was Saturday take the same pic same bud this Saturday and see what you can do about a couple tric pics on buds not sugar leaves.
Again I apologize so much for my late reply.

Stay safe
Bill

 

[Tin1017]

Hey everyone, thank you so much for your replies. I somehow missed your replies too. I took a picture yesterday- 23.06.
I have a loupe, I tried checking with it but I ended up getting a cheaper usb microscope with 100x for 7.50 euros lol, should do the job? It arrives tomorrow morning
I also got some bamboo sticks because one morning the “Gorilla Punch” was leaning over badly, I guess the buds got heavier.
It is a Gorilla Punch 2022 by fastbuds, @Bill284
I planted it in AllMix soil by BioBizz.
For my next go I will get Light soil..
I tried mixing AllMix and Lightmix at the top for the seedling/veg stage but they didn’t like it I guess cus all plants looked stuned and small troughout the veg..
All plants that are in 8L pots with Lightmix are bigger than the 20L AllMix ones..
I will post a pic of the gorilla punch from yesterday.
And tomorrow ill show you trichs once I get my microscope.
I also moved them upstairs which was 10h+ work in preparation (moving stuff out, cleaning everything and then moving my tent in took a lot of time) and my temps only went ~2 degrees lower
26-28 at night, same with lights off and 29-30 with lights on. Humidity is 40-50%
Pics below.. alot of yellow and orange but its my first time ever and I screwed up with the soil, temp levels and watering etc etc
Next time Ill do a lot better I hope.
I will also have a bit more to spend which will result in better grow..
Thank you!
Ps: i will try the loupe+phone method thank you for that! But I already ordered my microscope so I’ll have to get that too.. I don’t like to return products that Already went trough 5 people before it got to me.. so much time and energy wasted so Ill have a cheap microscope anyways. But ill try that once I find my loupe..
pics below are of the
1.pineapple express auto (10l plastic pot, light mix soil, 19.04.2022, final pot
2.gorilla punch (20L Allmix soil, 25.04.2022, final pot with alot of issues and horrible looking leaves but somehow her main cola especially is really big for my understandings and she smells great.. smell like fruits and citrus.. also very sticky)
Pic 4: pineapple express in 10L pot again, same as first one
Pic 5: lemon og from seedsman, it was in a small cup for a week or two and then repotted in a 8L plastic bag.. grew quite tall I guess for a 8L plant? I thought it was going to die at first because it was extremely small and bad looking.
Wish there wasnt so much yellow but I need to improve my feeding/watering and also start considering ppms and stuff like that. Im still a noob but hopefully this grow will give me some peace and ill be able to improve and get the stuff I need to have a better grow..
All seeds are from fastbuds except for the lemon og
I hAve a couple of more that are better looking, will take more pictures tonight.
And sorry Bill for not cropping. Im really noob when it comes to phones and for some reason my iphone makes quality of the picture terrible when i crop it.
Next time ill upload ill try to get better pictures and closer ones and I will have them all cropped! Sorry
Also some wilt because one of the pics is from a few days ago