First Grow: Blue Sherbet Bagseed

Few more pics, I had to bend a few to try to slow them a little but the growth over night is amazin 😍 Grow Dots and water. I'm going to try to get a even canopy this grow 😁 🤷🏽🤞🏼we shall see..

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On the road to great canopy for sure! Sweet drippy kicks!
 
🤣 I used and still use mirrors to this day if I have them lolol,in small grows they perfect for sending that light back up into the under canopy. These mirrors and the effect they had is how I fel in love w side n under lighting. Don't really need much watts to get that thickening effect either👍
 
4our8ighty0 said:
🤣 I used and still use mirrors to this day if I have them lolol,in small grows they perfect for sending that light back up into the under canopy. These mirrors and the effect they had is how I fel in love w side n under lighting. Don't really need much watts to get that thickening effect either👍
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Yes Im going to be getting the mirror tiles for the floor off Amazon..👍🏼🤣
 
4our8ighty0 said:
I used and still use mirrors to this day if I have them lolol,in small grows they perfect for sending that light back up into the under canopy. These mirrors and the effect they had is how I fel in love w side n under lighting. Don't really need much watts to get that thickening effect either
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plants don't like being lit from underneath and mirrors can cause hot spots. there's a reason the finish in a grow tent is mottled. nature does not reflect light on to the underside of a leaf.
look at the back side of a leaf, it has not evolved to photosynthesize, cannabis plants twist or canoe leaves away from a light source exposing the underside when overlit, as the backside is not light receptive.

side and bounce lighting is a different story.
 
bluter said:
plants don't like being lit from underneath and mirrors can cause hot spots. there's a reason the finish in a grow tent is mottled. nature does not reflect light on to the underside of a leaf.
look at the back side of a leaf, it has not evolved to photosynthesize, cannabis plants twist or canoe leaves away from a light source exposing the underside when overlit, as the backside is not light receptive.

side and bounce lighting is a different story.
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Yea I disagree,I never came across a plant that diddnt like under lighting,not have I ever seen a plant that diddnt benefit from side lighting either, have you tried it?
 
4our8ighty0 said:
Yea I disagree,I never came across a plant that diddnt like under lighting,not have I ever seen a plant that diddnt benefit from side lighting either, have you tried it?
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yes. i have side lit when growing yrs ago. it was common in the late 70's thru early 80's before mh and hps really penetrated the market.

there are millions of sources that can confirm under lighting as useless at best and detrimental at worst. that bugbee guy covers it i'm sure if you want a cannabis specific example.

most evolved leaves are the same, some ancient plants that aren't really leaf like are different, things like ferns don't mind for instance.

go have a look at any cannabis leaf. the bottom lighter colored side will not photosynthesize, it does not benefit from lighting.


edit: google phototropism

to clarify : side lighting - good ... bottom lighting - not good.
 
bluter said:
yes. i have side lit when growing yrs ago. it was common in the late 70's thru early 80's before mh and hps really penetrated the market.

there are millions of sources that can confirm under lighting as useless at best and detrimental at worst. that bugbee guy covers it i'm sure if you want a cannabis specific example.

most evolved leaves are the same, some ancient plants that aren't really leaf like are different, things like ferns don't mind for instance.

go have a look at any cannabis leaf. the bottom lighter colored side will not photosynthesize, it does not benefit from lighting.


edit: google phototropism

to clarify : side lighting - good ... bottom lighting - not good.
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Idk,I feel like all natural lighting from sun is side lighting 2x a day for most plants. Sun rises in eastern horizon in am and sets on western horizon,180° total flight path of sun over the course of our daytime hours. I think if we talking natural a stationary light directly above plant in a tent doesn't happen in nature. The plants bend and flex all day to maximize this side lighting/moving sun effect. The 180°light path provides the most comprehensive and encompassing side lighting we have ever seen ? I'm curious when you say studies show side lighting is useless? but thats the same thing as saying more light is not effective? If I take the side lighting and put it up top,does it start to contribute then !? What study says mimicking or reproducing natural lighting conditions has no effect on a plant ? All outdoor plants exsist only under these conditions I speak of? I'm curious to read these studies ?
 
bluter said:
yes. i have side lit when growing yrs ago. it was common in the late 70's thru early 80's before mh and hps really penetrated the market.

there are millions of sources that can confirm under lighting as useless at best and detrimental at worst. that bugbee guy covers it i'm sure if you want a cannabis specific example.

most evolved leaves are the same, some ancient plants that aren't really leaf like are different, things like ferns don't mind for instance.

go have a look at any cannabis leaf. the bottom lighter colored side will not photosynthesize, it does not benefit from lighting.


edit: google phototropism

to clarify : side lighting - good ... bottom lighting - not good.
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No I agree here,you saying leaves not built for using bottom of leaf to photosynthesize. I agree bottom lighting is less effective than side lighting for this reason, but I doubt it's useless or none beneficial. Direct light contact is how you form new growth sites on a plant,side lighting(In my experience) has never been about competing with main source of light ? Actually the contrary,you don't want your fan leaves angling toward side lighting instead of main lights. The point of side lighting is to mimic the direct light contact on to secondary growth sites that occurs in mornings and at sunset. This additional lighting causes plants to thicken and produce new growth tips that cannot get light from stationary tent lighting. Once growth tips are large enough they switch focus to main lighting if done correctly. It's literally not possible that side lighting has no effect...
 
4our8ighty0 said:
No I agree here,you saying leaves not built for using bottom of leaf to photosynthesize. I agree bottom lighting is less effective than side lighting for this reason, but I doubt it's useless or none beneficial. Direct light contact is how you form new growth sites on a plant,side lighting(In my experience) has never been about competing with main source of light ? Actually the contrary,you don't want your fan leaves angling toward side lighting instead of main lights. The point of side lighting is to mimic the direct light contact on to secondary growth sites that occurs in mornings and at sunset. This additional lighting causes plants to thicken and produce new growth tips that cannot get light from stationary tent lighting. Once growth tips are large enough they switch focus to main lighting if done correctly. It's literally not possible that side lighting has no effect...
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have a look at a plant in nature. the ground directly under it is either black, absorbing all light, or green, which soaks the spectrum the plant would use from any bounce lighting.

it's just part of plant evolution. plants in nature experience 180 degree lighting, not 360.
the reason you want to avoid it in indoor growing simply comes down to the increased amount of stress you place the plant under. increased stress always leads to other issues.
 
bluter said:
have a look at a plant in nature. the ground directly under it is either black, absorbing all light, or green, which soaks the spectrum the plant would use from any bounce lighting.

it's just part of plant evolution. plants in nature experience 180 degree lighting, not 360.
the reason you want to avoid it in indoor growing simply comes down to the increased amount of stress you place the plant under. increased stress always leads to other issues.
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Hmmm well when u put it like that,your probably right about nature,it not getting bottom light. I guess I do agree in theory with side lighting be none beneficial to new growers or unfamiliar growers,it can complicate things unnecessarily and is most likely better to not recommend to them. I still disagree on these benefits or lack of benefits. I can't see how side lighting is not natural nor effective in practice. I have played with side lighting and mirrors for quite a long time(🤣 yes its cuz I been poor af for a long time 🤣) and I just can't say it's not beneficial if done properly. I also realize indoor growing is not about replicating all of nature's conditions but optimizing conditions and I agree that it's very possible to optimize these conditions without side or under lighting. I think it's a powerful method that depending on genetics can transform your plants.
 
Go team ♀️
 
sjb504 said:
I guess what ever works for you 🤷🏽 I feel like the plants grow better in here with the mirrors than in my tent but that's what works for me,.. added a new light today, plants seem to be happy 😁 thanks for stopping by and sharing all the information 🙏🏼🙏🏼

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All the ones in pots are the ladies so far.. looks like a good batch..
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Yes looks great 👍 looks like 420 crew has taught you well they looking happy, healthy and loved lol. I noticed the plants in blue 3 gal pots are offset in the pots ? Are you going to tie down the plants in blue pots ? Is that why they off center like that ? LadyCannafan does it in a same way 👍 Good Grow bro. I'm glad you a green pheen like us now lolol
 
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