First Grow - 4x2x6 400W

[liltoomuchguy]

I did 1 foliar feed 2 days and one watering 1 day ago with 50% strength calmag and grow formula, ph'ed to ~6.5-7. Runoff was right around 7 for all plants.

I'm finally able to see some growth! Things were a little rocky at first, but I'm finally able to see some of them taking off! Looks like the 2 blue dream are doing much better than the younger GSC, but I have faith they'll be able to pull through. I think my first watering with ph of 8 really screwed them up for the first week.

Before some pictures, a few questions:
1. It looks like some of the older leaves on all the plants are suffering. Are any worth cutting off? Do you ever cutoff leaves if they're starting to die?
2. Right now, the two sativas are looking much bigger than the two indicas. I'm personally a bigger fan of the indicas, so I'd like to give them time to catch up. I'm definitely planning to LST and maybe scrog, but would it be worth topping the sativas to give the indicas time to catch up?

Let me know your thoughts!!

 

[AnimaSola]

Top the sativas and pinch the stems of the indica would be my suggestion. Pinching the stems cause the plant to produce growth hormones to repair the damage, resulting in faster growth. I pinch mine and roll it in my fingers until I feel it squish, it grows an extra thick hard knuckle in that spot as a result. For growth stimulation you can gently smash the branch that is lagging behind and it will take off in growth and catch up with the rest of the plant.
They also look a little N hungry, do you use a calmag suppliment?
I would brew an aact if it were me, they would green right up, recipe in my signature, its okay to just use some ingredients.

 

[3fingerdSean]

Good job man ur savin em. A ph 7 is decent at runoff but go for 6.5 as 7 can lockout iron and manganese. I always cut off death. Its not coming back. Keep in mind sativas finish in 12-14 wks whereas indys in 8-9, with hybridz in between. Use a 1:4 3% hydrogen peroxide with feeds and waters to fight pests, diaease, and deliver higher 02 content at the root.

 

[Blazin Waffle]

Top the sativas and pinch the stems of the indica would be my suggestion. Pinching the stems cause the plant to produce growth hormones to repair the damage, resulting in faster growth. I pinch mine and roll it in my fingers until I feel it squish, it grows an extra thick hard knuckle in that spot as a result. For growth stimulation you can gently smash the branch that is lagging behind and it will take off in growth and catch up with the rest of the plant.
They also look a little N hungry, do you use a calmag suppliment?
I would brew an aact if it were me, they would green right up, recipe in my signature, its okay to just use some ingredients.

The pinching shouldn't make the branch grow faster..
It stunts growth while allowing other branches to catch up. Real similar to supercropping.

You can get some big knuckles though

 

[Blazin Waffle]

I'd say fim them all!!

Way to bring them back!!!
I think that's a reasonable pH to water with.
But something in the soil is making it rise.
And that can be an issue later. Just be mindful

 

[Blazin Waffle]

Are you using any microbes? I'd suggest getting some great white. It will really help your ladies the rest of the way out !!!

 

[AnimaSola]

When you pinch em for faster growth you just barely pinch, the knuckles form when you pinch hard for a supercropping.

 

[Blazin Waffle]

When you pinch em for faster growth you just barely pinch, the knuckles form when you pinch hard for a supercropping.

Ok, I was confused.
I pinch but break the cell wall pretty good, but don't bend it over. Same result.

So how do you stay from pinching too much? Is just before the pop, or after?
Thanks!

 

[AnimaSola]

Just kinda roll the stem between a finger and thumb, smashing it a little wont stunt it.

 

[Blazin Waffle]

Just kinda roll the stem between a finger and thumb, smashing it a little wont stunt it.

So not quite enough to feel the pop?
I always break the cell wall.
I guess stimulating it makes sense to promote growth. Then too much being bad and stunting it.
Nice!

 

[3fingerdSean]

Also that big fan leaf with the tip missing can go, cut it close to the main. The plant will send up an immune type response that will increase overall growth. However if that branch was an upshoot instead of down id say just cut the death back on the leaf. I never screw with my upshoots for no good reason. Taking a downshoot off the grid here and there will keep that response active but stop pruning when you switch the light cycle. Only clip death then. Look into tierra garden soft wire for training put sum safety pins in the pot edges and gently tie sum branches down to moderate stress levels. If u learn to mainline this putz u 1 step ahead. Mainline is just taking a top off and spreading the 2 offshoots this way. Thatz how you dbl colas. Then when what u spread grows outan Jas a cpl more internodes you do it to those. You keep training the offshoots. Stop when u switch the cycle. These guys have good ideas here about netting and gentle pinching. All of it works to create stronger responses. Just keep stress moderate as too much can start to kill the plant

 

[3fingerdSean]

And alwayz do strain research b4 u mainline sum strains hate it and make u pay.

 

[liltoomuchguy]

Things are still going pretty well. Just topped 3/4 plants and started some LST. I think I'll ride these pots out for another 1-1.5 weeks then throw them into their final 7 gallon containers. Hopefully my tent has enough room

I plan on doing a foliar feed tonight with a proper water feed tomorrow night.

 

[liltoomuchguy]

Lots of things changed since my last update. Got to move my plants to their 7 gallon smart pots and got an air-cooled reflector. My temps during the day were reaching 85-90, now they're hovering in the 70s. Still going strong, not sure if ill have enough horizontal and vertical room for all 4 plants :/

 

[Blazin Waffle]

You're going to have a hell of a time with headroom. Especially with that HID

 

[liltoomuchguy]

You're going to have a hell of a time with headroom. Especially with that HID

Yeah.... I think first plan of mine will to be to move 6" exhaust to side hole, maybe put fan outside of tent. If that doesn't work, I might have to get a bigger tent. I f'd up when I ordered this tent and got 60" instead of 72" :/

 

[Blazin Waffle]

Yeah.... I think first plan of mine will to be to move 6" exhaust to side hole, maybe put fan outside of tent. If that doesn't work, I might have to get a bigger tent. I f'd up when I ordered this tent and got 60" instead of 72" :/

Can always go to LEAD

 

[liltoomuchguy]

Can always go to LEAD

Do you mean LED? If not, what's LEAD?

 

[Blazin Waffle]

Do you mean LED? If not, what's LEAD?

Haha
Damn auto correct!
Yes LED

 

[liltoomuchguy]

Tucked things up a little more, took some trunk shots