First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

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20 degrees c is roughly between 68 and 72f. the best way ive always found to work it out is start with the deg c then double it so 20 would become 40 and then add 30 which gives us 70, now this method is not 100% because it can be a degree or 2 either side of it but its never more than a couple of degrees off, night time temps would of been a bit lower well i sat a bit lower say maybe down to 10c which would be around the 50f mark, but lights are set 24-0 now so i can monitor growth and see if they grow better using that method so temp is always around the 20 deg c mark, roughly 70, their is a very complicated way of working the c to f out but it takes ages and you wouldnt be able to work it out in your head so ive worked out my own method and it works within say 2 degrees either way, tomorrow ill check the exact temp and use the net to work it out properly, im not using digital temp gauge though but its always been accurate around the house as its got the temp on it the time and humidity all in analogue, so temp is roughly 70f and humidity is between 45 and 55 at most, the leaves all seem ok now the newer ones seem to be growing properly its just the 1st big leaves seem to have curled slightly, they was like this since sprouting, if their was problems then surely the new leaves would be like it, as far as im aware the compost containes no added nutes as it dont mention on the packet or give any nute reading at all, but i didnt add nutes for the 1st 2 weeks now ive added baby bio which is high in n and has less p n k in it but still has some, i picked up so slow drip feed type tubes that have higher npk rating somewhere near the 30 10 10 i think at a rough guess ill check tomorrow, but how it says to use them is take the top off the plastic ampule thats about an inch and a half long and it says push it in the soil and it slowly drip feeds for 30 days and theirs no need to add anything else during this time, would these be ok to use, their only small but the npk rating seems better than the baby bio ive been using, maybe their was very little n in the compost mix and thats why it was like it, when i check tomorrow ill post the npk on the baby bio im using and ill take a picture of these ampule things and give the npk,
 
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Looking good man Id guess your around 3 weeks into it and my second grow is right at 23 days the plant not in a waterfarm is probably 2 1/2 times the size of yours with four nodes and alot of secondary growth.

but compared to my first grow your probably 2 times bigger than my plant was at the same age. which proves to me trial and error is the best way to learn.

Now as for the leaves that are curling let them be even if they become horribly deformed let them be. That's because those first leaves will take the toxins coming from the roots and it most likely won't affect your new growth my bottom leaves are yellow brown and green and all dryed up while the rest of the plant is a perfect green
 
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@ Tesmp, ill look into it mate might be idea for next grow.

@ rupertthedank, my other leaves are all healthy and looking really good its just them 1st leaves with that problem

@ pierce89, thanks for showing the working out, bit difficult to do in your head when your not that good at maths, mt temps are 20c and my gauge shows its more or less 70f

@ keith1074, glad to have you following along, the more the better and the more advice i can get the better and if anyone can learn anything from my grow then it makes the journal all worth it so glad to have you on board.

right now as for my grow, like i said yesteday im going to try the 24-0 light schedule, now im not sure if ive noticed a huge difference because im expecting a huge difference or what, but to me when i had a look at my grow about an hour ago it looks a lot healthier and their is loads of new growth at the stem, i think having some dark during the 1st couple of weeks gave me good root growth but now lights are 24-0 i erally think it is the way to go, my plants seem to be responding well to it, but its only been 1 night without any dark so ill c how things go over the next day or 2.
 
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thanks mate, i agree with using more lights for flower, ive get shed loads of 2700 warm light cfls, boxes and boxes covering all wattage from 8 watts up to 23watt, i kept getting them free through the post from energy companies and filled in forms out the paper so got loads.

as for the comments in other loung i also suggested on their to take it to my journal.

i am sticking with cfls for this grow as i want to see the results for myself plus it was easy to set up, if it all goes wrong then it all goes wrong, i wont be to beat up by it, i can just start again using another method, ive got years left to grow plants so i can dial it all in with each grow,

but when i come to flower ill have loads of lights above the plants and ill hang loads around the plant aswell so ill make sure the plant is well iluminated, i mean with hps the light will be above the plant at all times but with cfls i can pack them in above the plant then hang them at every level around the plant to increase penetration, but ive not decided on grow method yet it all depends on how many females i get, could use lst but it all depends on how many plants i end up with, i will take cuttings from a femal as ive got seperate cupboard of the same size i can use for vegin clones or i could even devide the cupboard im using into 2 levels as it is floor to ceiling then i could have veg in top half and flower in bottom, it would be easy to devide as it was a growing cupboard for clothes so has got racks either side that you slot poles in to hand the clothes off, im using the poles to hang lights from and hang the fan from.

my plants are now 24-0 and are doing better for it as far as i can tell, i am pleased with the results even though im using cfl's the plants are not stretching now they are filling out nicely and ive got loads of side shoots sprouting at the stem, the nodes between levels are close as well and not hugely spaced apart, only time will tell, i could be disapointed but like i said this is an experiment with cfl's it might not be how i plan my nexy grow out but for now im trying cfl's, ive seen amazin results in the video sharing site and other grow sites and some of the results are nearly on parr with the better lighting system so i thought id give it a try,
 
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hi all, can anyone have a look at this persons grow ill post the link at the end, his plant is 5 or 6 weeks old and its not growing much, im no expert but gave him what advice i can give him, just thought i could try and get him some help, i said id ask as i got loads of help and advice off top growers so if you get some spare time have a look at his journal and see what he can do to help his plant start growing a bit better as its hardly growing, thanks a lot

here is the link First Grow Yo! Indoor CFL - 2011

just say donpaul.p asked you to drop by his journal to give him a different take on things, maybe im not giving him the right advice or maybe you can see where the problem is and how he can sort it out.

thanks guys, just trying to help a fellow grower, id hate to see someone struggle if i can get them the help they need
 
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please remember to vote in the plant of the month competition, some great plants on their, dont just vote on size though have a good look at all the plants and vote for the favourite, only 85 ish votes so far, i think more people could vote and lets hope the best plant wins,
 
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just uploading another dodgy video now from my fone so sorry bout poor quality, the lights are noe 24-0 and ive noticed the plants seem to be thriving, their is loads of new shoots at base and yesterday you could just about see new leaves coming out off the stem today you can clearly see the leaves poking out of the stem, so my next post will be the video, the sound didnt work so its strictly video only, not sure why, crappy fone i guess, i really need the leads to my camera then i can take some proper pictures.
 
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crappy video, should never of done it, looks even worse on the computer, the sooner i find the leads to my camera the better
 
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Hey donpaul.p, subbed mate,
love the cfl grows, do them myself. and just so you know john innes is great soil you just need to add perlite as there is a bit of sand which seems to form clumps in there.

Today is different to ten years ago, mate I know exact what you talking about, 1.8 20 bags of cheese and blues. They are cheese as well not just chronic people calling cheese. It is cheese and blues or blue-cheese. I get it all the time. Now there is no import some people grow different strains now at lower prices. But best to do it yourself.

When it comes to lighting I just started using the GLR method and diminshing light for flower. I veg under blue spec cfl's which keep nodes tight and usually flower under the big 250w cfl's. But I think veg is great for cfl but will be switching this time to a small 400w hps or even a 250w to see the difference.

My current journal has all the info on GLR lighting or if you want more info on this subject Twelve12 has a great blog on it which isnt hard to find here.

And o yeah defo watch the feed with JI soil, I over fed my last pineapple using that soil and feeding nutes, so go on the leaf colour more like suggested at the begining of this journal.

Yeh man CFL LOOOOve!!:peace:
 
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Hey! :D just checkin in loooks like ur guys are healthy! Unknown has some leafs that aren't I might need to do a 2 gal flush :/ but other than that I got my white russian seed germing today and mystery is still super healthy :) seams like mother nature is better at growing than me xD
 
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nice to have you a long mate, i wasnt sure what was in the soil, as for the dodgy 20 deals, when i was younger it was 20's for 3.5g, now you lucky if you get 2g and to be honest the smoke isnt no different in fact id say some of it is a lot worse than what it used to be,the younger generation dont have a clue about the different strains, when you start to tell them about types you like such as jack flash etc etc they look at you as if your going mad, their all calling everything cheeze from home grown to commercial, i even saw some the other day that they was calling block weed, i looked at it and it looked like it had been used for skuffin and then compressed together into a big block, it just crumbled to dust in your hand,
thats why i decided to grow my own, i want to know what im smoking, im not growing to make money in anyway its all for myself and a select frew mates who come round from time to time, i hate paying money to people that use if it for criminal activities like weapons and stuff like that, i prefer to buy off a select few home growers who know what their growing and know about the different strains, when you start talking about indicas and sativas the younger generation say under 25 dont have a clue what you going on about and as long as its called cheeze they will smoke it what ever its called, but when ive tried it its not nice, its harsh and full of chemicals its all imported and compressed to death, cant see no crystals on it, i prefer my buds to be nice and fluffy and covered in crystals instead of been squashed to death by a press just so it can be smuggled into the country,

anyway enough of the lecture, glad someone else agrees, i just want my own grow so i know what im smoking and im using cfl's ive never used them to grow with before but seen some great grows using them so thought id give it a try with this 1st grow, i have noticed though that with cfl's the plants are staying a lot tighter and have less stretch the nodes seem close together and to me they seem to be growing really well, not sure how the flowering will go on cfl's but ill find out and if im not impressed by th results then i may flower using other lights next time, but for now im happy with cfls.

i recon all ive spent on my hole set up, is 20 quid n thats at the most, its hardly cost me anything, i cant tell about the electric but i dont seem to be putting money on the meter any more than i did before the grow, i gota get more bulbs as the plants get bigger but i recon from start ti finish ill have spent about 50 quid or so, which to me isnt a lot, so ill have to see how the flowering goes using the cfl's

im gona have a read through your journal as well, but glad to have you aboard, if you have any tips or advice for my grow then just give me a shout,
 
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@ Mr Mudpie, thanks, everything seems ok so far, the plants seem to be responding well to the 24-0 schedule and i would say the plants are better for it, they seem to be filling out nicely now and theirs loads of growth at the stem so they should really start to take off now,

thanks for dropping in
 
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yeah thats why i like 24-0 :) its was crazy after re toping yesterday the 2 new fan leafs tripled in size no joke i was like :O dam u been busy lol i got my LST working as well got 2 more nodes poping out the side :) just flushed her with a gal of distiled and phd water so hopefully the PH will rise a little bit and she will stop burning, i made up my mind tho im not using nutes for Veg its caused nothing but troble and i know they can grow fine in my soil cuz Mystery is perfect right now going on her 4th set of fan leafs and green as green can be
 
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donpaul.p said:
nice to have you a long mate, i wasnt sure what was in the soil, as for the dodgy 20 deals, when i was younger it was 20's for 3.5g, now you lucky if you get 2g and to be honest the smoke isnt no different in fact id say some of it is a lot worse than what it used to be,the younger generation dont have a clue about the different strains, when you start to tell them about types you like such as jack flash etc etc they look at you as if your going mad, their all calling everything cheeze from home grown to commercial, i even saw some the other day that they was calling block weed, i looked at it and it looked like it had been used for skuffin and then compressed together into a big block, it just crumbled to dust in your hand,
thats why i decided to grow my own, i want to know what im smoking, im not growing to make money in anyway its all for myself and a select frew mates who come round from time to time, i hate paying money to people that use if it for criminal activities like weapons and stuff like that, i prefer to buy off a select few home growers who know what their growing and know about the different strains, when you start talking about indicas and sativas the younger generation say under 25 dont have a clue what you going on about and as long as its called cheeze they will smoke it what ever its called, but when ive tried it its not nice, its harsh and full of chemicals its all imported and compressed to death, cant see no crystals on it, i prefer my buds to be nice and fluffy and covered in crystals instead of been squashed to death by a press just so it can be smuggled into the country,

anyway enough of the lecture, glad someone else agrees, i just want my own grow so i know what im smoking and im using cfl's ive never used them to grow with before but seen some great grows using them so thought id give it a try with this 1st grow, i have noticed though that with cfl's the plants are staying a lot tighter and have less stretch the nodes seem close together and to me they seem to be growing really well, not sure how the flowering will go on cfl's but ill find out and if im not impressed by th results then i may flower using other lights next time, but for now im happy with cfls.

i recon all ive spent on my hole set up, is 20 quid n thats at the most, its hardly cost me anything, i cant tell about the electric but i dont seem to be putting money on the meter any more than i did before the grow, i gota get more bulbs as the plants get bigger but i recon from start ti finish ill have spent about 50 quid or so, which to me isnt a lot, so ill have to see how the flowering goes using the cfl's

im gona have a read through your journal as well, but glad to have you aboard, if you have any tips or advice for my grow then just give me a shout,
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same here man, same here. thats why i like to grow my own. all for me :D and it last for a longgg time if u get 1 nice crop :)
 
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you may need nutes a bit further down the veggin line, ive started adding nutes to mine and my plants are better for it they seem to of got greener and they are all growing well.

the nutes im using are called baby bio, the nute content is 10.6, 4.4 and 1.7 NPK, it says add upto 15 drops to a pint of water or half a litre, ive been adding 10 drops to half a litre and the plants seem fine using it, maybe because the n isnt to high, but my plants like it and seem to be thriving so as long as im happy with the growth ill continue to use this baby bio, i did pick up another nute the other day but its like a tube thats full of liquid and you place it in the compost and its slow release over 30 days, the nute content in the new stuff is NPK 25, 12, 9, so it does have higher N but also the K is higher so not used it yet might try it when they get a bit bigger so they can cope with the extra nute content, but im not having any nute burn as of yet all the leaves look healthy and since going 24-0 the leaves look and feel a lot better.

i hope i get enough of these plants to last a while, i will be taking cuttings to ensure ive got other plants to flower when these have finished, i will also try different seeds as well, ive got a couple of purple seeds in pots that im hoping will grow cuz i would love to have some purple buds, but only time will tell, but for now everything seems ok,
 
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donpaul.p said:
@ Mr Mudpie, thanks, everything seems ok so far, the plants seem to be responding well to the 24-0 schedule and i would say the plants are better for it, they seem to be filling out nicely now and theirs loads of growth at the stem so they should really start to take off now,

thanks for dropping in
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IMO mate 24hr light is not good, they do need some rest and want to be getting ready to bud when you switch. Think about the outdoors they never see 24hr light, in fact they only need 5hr of direct sun a day. Just a thought. The GLR method works on giving it its normal dark throughout and the results are amazing I keep reading so i'm on that now!!:peace:
 
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i think i might just let Unknown stay outside now since its a better time to do it now maybe it will make her healthy so ill just put her near Mystery and they can talk and chat :)
 
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Mr Mud-Pie said:
i think i might just let Unknown stay outside now since its a better time to do it now maybe it will make her healthy so ill just put her near Mystery and they can talk and chat :)
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Yeah man Mrmudpie,
Now is the time, sun is shining strong!! Just get it used to the sun before you just put it out there for a full day as the sun will burn the plant. Build it up a couple or few hours a day.
 
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