First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

sounds fantastic bro.

im sure we will meet up one day. if im blunt, its a little easier to trust someone that pumps out an endless supply of top draw weed. they dont have an awful lot to gain from ulterior motives :rofl:

ill suggest a meet when i can bring a briefcase full of buds and seeds to the table =D

im looking forward to growing out my big bud 2. i saw a grow on here recently but it looked all legs, i think the guy vegged with hps.
having just one seedling tho i dont have a lot of studying to do, ill just have to rush out an f1, take photo's of the mother/father and pick out the phenos that look the same but gain the autoflower from the kc45...then i can start hunting for the best bb2 variant to bring into the mix.

ill be adding in nasterkush also to some beautiflul pale purple flowers.
 
Hey donpaul :) I have an auto that self pollinated and full of seed pods. A LOT of seeds are coming off this girl. I thought I'd ask you since you're working with some auto porn yourself :grinjoint:
Will the seeds all be auto fems :)? like clones of the mother? There was no male auto to pollinate, it was a hermie that busted a sack and apparently that's enough to pollinate the whole plant. She's a feminized Automax (forgot the seedbank, I think it was Samsara).
Edit: Seedbank - Seed Makers
 
hi mate, if it went hermie then chances are the seeds will also have this hermie trait, i have come across plenty of grows though that have grown out hermie seeds and had no problems, so the seeds will be auto as its self pollenated, so they will be auto and should be fem as its not a regular plant to start with, so as far as im aware these seeds should be auto fem like the mother,

all i would add is that you need to make sure you keep everything right when growing these, they can hermie with the slightest of stress if its from a hermie plant, so id try some of the seeds and see what happens, if any hermie again then id collect the pollen and use this for breeding purposes, id let it finish and wait till the seeds are falling out the pods before you harvest, this will make sure that most are viable,

all you can do is see how they go mate, but as the mother hermied with no stress then the same could happen with the plants grown from the seeds, but its not always the case, are you sure it did go hermie and the pollen is not from another source, if the pollen is from a none auto then only 1/4 of the seeds will turn out auto.

just see how it goes mate, let me know what happens when you grow them out ill be interested to see how they turn out.

quick update on my plants, ill take some pics tomorrow so you can see whats going on

all the dwc hempies are doing great, the big bud#2 is fem so i got one of these growing as a dwc hempie, my auto purple this time is taking longer to start flowering so im hoping its going to give me a bigger yield
my auto hash plant is in seedling stage,
my sleestack cross skunk twin is still growing strong its under 12-12 and has not shown sex yet but hoping its fem
the ken estes gdp seems very slow to grow, not sure what the problems is, possibly over watering but cant be to sure, but its picking up so should be ok.

all my purple widow are doing well and ready to go into bigger pots, i need to sort out the flower room as i need to change the light in their to glr so i can move in the vegging plants, then ill remove all the flowering plans during the lights off period so their not affected by the glr, so this will keep them on course to flower and will still allow me to veg my other plants under the hps,

sorry i not been on much but i spent most of the last couple of days with my head down the toilet so not had much chance to get on, i got lots to get caught up with.
 
why did Tigger stick his head in the toilet?


He was looking for Pooh:):rofl:
hope you are feeling better DP
 
just replied to you mate, thanks

i found pooh, he was coming out the other end as quick as husain bolt,

i think im on the mend though, ive never spent so much time admiring the inside of my toilet, i was going to get a sleeping bag out and move into the bathroom, me and the toilet got very close, spent more time with the toilet than i have with anyone else, thing my dog was starting to get a bit jealous as he grabbed the toilet brush holder and ripped it to pieces, luckily it was new and had not been used else he would not be sleeping on my bed anymore
 
donpaul.p said:
hi mate, if it went hermie then chances are the seeds will also have this hermie trait, i have come across plenty of grows though that have grown out hermie seeds and had no problems, so the seeds will be auto as its self pollenated, so they will be auto and should be fem as its not a regular plant to start with, so as far as im aware these seeds should be auto fem like the mother,

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been doin some reading...;)

turns out that 'inheriting' the hermie trait is a 50/50 proposition, roughly half the kids will be more inclined to hermie, but the other 50% will be untouched by it.

its another myth it seems propelled by semi skilled breeders not noticing this and breeding it out in their tests.
 
thanks for the extra info GiGa, reps if it lets me, i also ordered a pack of them autos you got mate, how are they turning out, i like the write up on them, says it grows like a big xmas tree
 
the KC45? ive not started them yet.
litterally turned off the lights on my fast bud today, they are in the dark till saturday now, then getting chopped and hung in the dark till monday to get me my basic dry weight.

my KC45 grow starts monday unless i get behind schedule. im going to order another 20 seeds.

gonna pick the best male and female to breed, trash all the mails and grow out the female crop for smoke, im then gonna plant the second lot of seeds as soon as they arrive (maybe a week or two behind 1st batch) and just scrap the males. by the time this double grow is done i should have a shit load of seeds with the best traits i found in the first 20.
 
The toilet can be your friend! Glad you feel better. Also good to see new stuff happening with your grows.
 
thanks mate.

i got my new seeds, plus i got 2 free auto fems, so i planted 2 of the kc45 strain and one of the auto fems, that should be enough plants now, i got plenty to be getting on with, need to free up some space in the flower room.

my auto purple seems to of got bigger this time before its started flower, now the strange part is that its twice the size of the last time i grew this plant, its took longer to show sex and start flowering, so im hoping this means a bigger yield, now for the strange part, its an auto purple and ive gone 12-12 from seed with it, so its took longer to start flowering, and its bigger than the last time i grew this same strain.

now as its 12-12 from seed and autos flower due to age and not light schedule, so im wondering if giving them less light slows the rate they age down without restricting growth, for instance under 24-0 they may flower soon and not grow as much before they start flowering due to getting more light, so are the plants getting mature faster due to having more light, so would giving them less light mean they mature slower without actually slowing down the growth if you get what i mean, so im wondering if glr will work well with autos, i wont be testing anything just yet i need to see the end results, but so far this auto purple is twice the size of the last one i grew, the last time it flowered around 2 weeks old, this is over 3 now,

pics will be up tomorrow, not had chance to take any today, big update tomorrow so you can see what i got going on,

i also had a loss, the ken estes gdp that i planted got eaten, i think its going to die, damn fungus gnat larvae was eating the tap root, it had eaten it in half, so chances are its going to die, i only noticed when i got in and found the plant had fallen over, i picked it back up gently and noticed the tap root had been eaten into, so i replanted it, but its not looking good,

ill be ordering some more gdp and bay 11 with my next order
 
i like the sound of what your saying. we cant rule out genetic variation? it would rock of vegging on 12/12 with cfls worked out the best.

i already know that i can veg all the plants my 600 can take for a lot less watts maybe 200 using 6500k cfls.
now i know a little better, before yesterday i wasnt woried too much about my temps reaching upto 90f with bottoms around 82f. i have since discovered that 80-85 it top limit before the potency is actually harmed by the heat.

since that sloted into place i would veg under 6500k any day of the week over a MH which needs a lot more watts per sq mtr and generates massive heat.
and now im even more keen on ceramic metal halide as its cooler than hps.

im gonna make it my mission now to plan a fully cool grow (maybe 70f) and hopefully using the heat to reclaim some energy somewhere. like water heating (wow imagine a water cooled grow room using a swimming pool, outdoor 70-80f swimming pool in winter anyone? lol).

im also intrested in the effect of using vacuum in the drying/curing proccess to see if it helps. im sure water boils at lower temps if the pressure is lower. imagine if a vaccum can 'steam' the water out of bud at room temprature in an hour or two. no heat exposure on the trichs.
 
some very interesting ideas mate, the vac idea would be good, i wonder how much it would cost to make or buy a decent size vac chamber,

i know one of the growers on here vac sealed some buds then stored them to kill spider mites, he did this while the buds where fresh and had no problems when he took them out to dry, but this is not what your talking about, but thought id throw it in

with the cfls the best watt/lumin ratio is the 23watt cfls, this have the highers lumin ratio for the watts,
i still use cfls to start my plants unless im going 12-12 from seed, cfls keep the nodes very close and the plants seem to love the 6400k cfls, not sure why but they dont stretch and they grow well, penetration is not good but for seedlings and the first 2 or 3 weeks i still use cfls, plus then when i put the plants under the hps they dont stretch, now when i start the same plants under the hps they stretch like crazy and i have to raise the light all the time.

i am working with autos though among other things so im trying to get the light schedule sorted, i know each strain would vary but so far this auto purple that was bought at the same time and was from the same batch is growing slighting different under 12-12, so does the less light hours slow down the plants actual age without slowing down the growth, say a plant needs 24 hours worth of light to be classed as 1 day old, so does having an auto under 12-12 mean it takes 2 days of 12-12 before its 1 days old if you know what im trying to say,

what im getting is this auto purple is 2 nodes higher and is 3 inches bigger or more than the previous time i grew this strain, last time i grew it under 24-0 and it flowered at week 2 and did not get much bigger, but this one under 12-12 took 3 weeks to start flowering and its bigger, plus its still growing well even though it has not started flowering, so i think their is more testing to do, these kc45 i just got will be ideal for this as their regular, plus herbie through me in some auto fems as well, so i planted one of these and 2 of the kc45s so ill see how they go,

im trying to get caught up with all the journals, but i got loads to get caught up on, im not on here for a few days and the journals get bigger and bigger, so many pages to read,

herbie also stocks other ken estes strains for anyone interested, he stocks ken estes bay 11 and sells it in packs of 10 or as single seeds
 
That sativa looks the bomb! thanks donpaul =)

you know, ive slept on this 24-0 12-12 thing and i have a theory.
maybe its not the reduction in light thats making your plant more healthy, more rather maybe its the inclusion of a dark period.

we have already seen with regular plants that the inclusion of even 4 hours of dark can increase vitality...also i read somewhere that 24-0 actually reduces a plants photoreceptiveness or something.

man i need to get my new timer gadget (the bit that copes with the high power so it dont melt the timer.) ah contactor its called.

i think i will do my first kc45 grow as a straight 16-8 right through. seems the most optimum for now.


anyway back to those sativas, wonder how well they would grow as 2l hempies :rofl:
 
Hey Gig, Thought Id jump in on this lighting thing..
IMO, which bears no scientific merit what so ever, but is a - well guess you d call it a 'Lighting requirement'..
Where we all know that plants need light to grow, and if we give them 12 hours dark after a bit of veg period with longer lighting time - 14hrs at least, it will go into flower soon after the reduction in light.
Now growers used to use predominantly MH and HPs ( veg and Flower) - But now are adapting to Cfl's, Led, etc; and are getting results too!!
But for the MH or HPS for veg and flower thing i feel is more like this.. You can Veg and flower with either light type individually, with varying results..But IT CAN BE DONE. Now, with CFL's we use say 6500k's for Veg and 2500k's for flower..
I BELIEVE THAT POSSIBLY USING A GOOD QUALITY DUAL-SPECTRUM MH/HPS GLOBE, or say maybe a 4400K CFL, (or combo of both Spectrums) ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE GROW, WOULD GROW WELL WITH GOOD RESULTS!! As the sun s light I think contains both spectrums, well whatever the ratio is, it is well suited for growing plants..
In nature, the Sun DOESNT CHANGE COLORS, Merely the lighting time does, sending signals to the plant that Autumn is near and to finish up..And also a DARK CYCLE is present throughout the entire grow?I think that the dark cycle is very important for a plant. Many times after say 18hrs light, my plants leaves will be sort of on a slight downward slope - But in the morning, theyre usually perky!! So If we found a lighting spectrum range similar to the sun, only 1 lighting type would be required, and you d be fine to grow both Veg and Flower!! I think the limiting of Spectrums from electrical lighting may indeed hinder a plant somewhat, the plant MAY NEED more color spectrums other than solely blue/red.. ( copyright theory:) )
What do you think about that guys? As a plant grows in soil outdoor,with usually about 14/15hrs light a day - it still grows big enough and doesnt have 24 hr direct light. This is where some of the GLR i understand.. So if we apply say 16hrs of light for veg, til youre happy with size and then maybe 13hrs dark, 11 light would be good for flower period.
THIS I THINK WOULD STILL GROW A PLANT WELL - And SAVE YOU $$$$!!!
But its just my little piece of insight into weed growing.. But hey - What do I know?? We need guys like you to think outside the circle:)
Keep up the good work! Later guys, Chat soon. Smokemup!!
 
Smokemupm8 said:
Hey Gig, Thought Id jump in on this lighting thing..
IMO, which bears no scientific merit what so ever, but is a - well guess you d call it a 'Lighting requirement'..
Where we all know that plants need light to grow, and if we give them 12 hours dark after a bit of veg period with longer lighting time - 14hrs at least, it will go into flower soon after the reduction in light.
Now growers used to use predominantly MH and HPs ( veg and Flower) - But now are adapting to Cfl's, Led, etc; and are getting results too!!
But for the MH or HPS for veg and flower thing i feel is more like this.. You can Veg and flower with either light type individually, with varying results..But IT CAN BE DONE. Now, with CFL's we use say 6500k's for Veg and 2500k's for flower..
I BELIEVE THAT POSSIBLY USING A GOOD QUALITY DUAL-SPECTRUM MH/HPS GLOBE, or say maybe a 4400K CFL, (or combo of both Spectrums) ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE GROW, WOULD GROW WELL WITH GOOD RESULTS!! As the sun s light I think contains both spectrums, well whatever the ratio is, it is well suited for growing plants..
In nature, the Sun DOESNT CHANGE COLORS, Merely the lighting time does, sending signals to the plant that Autumn is near and to finish up..And also a DARK CYCLE is present throughout the entire grow?I think that the dark cycle is very important for a plant. Many times after say 18hrs light, my plants leaves will be sort of on a slight downward slope - But in the morning, theyre usually perky!! So If we found a lighting spectrum range similar to the sun, only 1 lighting type would be required, and you d be fine to grow both Veg and Flower!! I think the limiting of Spectrums from electrical lighting may indeed hinder a plant somewhat, the plant MAY NEED more color spectrums other than solely blue/red.. ( copyright theory:) )
What do you think about that guys? As a plant grows in soil outdoor,with usually about 14/15hrs light a day - it still grows big enough and doesnt have 24 hr direct light. This is where some of the GLR i understand.. So if we apply say 16hrs of light for veg, til youre happy with size and then maybe 13hrs dark, 11 light would be good for flower period.
THIS I THINK WOULD STILL GROW A PLANT WELL - And SAVE YOU $$$$!!!
But its just my little piece of insight into weed growing.. But hey - What do I know?? We need guys like you to think outside the circle:)
Keep up the good work! Later guys, Chat soon. Smokemup!!
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Ceramic metal halide bulbs are something im getting into. i think HPS has a slight edge at producing red at the 660n but the CMH covers the entire spectrum, produces less heat than MH or HPS and even has a dash of UV in there (you need to seriously consider sun block or other protection)

i know the suns light doesnt change, but you have to liken it to a humans nutrition needs. our day to day food that keeps us moving around is carbohadrates (blue light) but when we do weights and want to bulk up muscle (super lean muscle) we lower the carb ratio and pack on the protiens(red light). although we should have all the foods in our diet we need more of one than another when our activity is different.
 
GiGaBaNE said:
Ceramic metal halide bulbs are something im getting into. i think HPS has a slight edge at producing red at the 660n but the CMH covers the entire spectrum, produces less heat than MH or HPS and even has a dash of UV in there (you need to seriously consider sun block or other protection)

i know the suns light doesnt change, but you have to liken it to a humans nutrition needs. our day to day food that keeps us moving around is carbohadrates (blue light) but when we do weights and want to bulk up muscle (super lean muscle) we lower the carb ratio and pack on the protiens(red light). although we should have all the foods in our diet we need more of one than another when our activity is different.
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Yep...looking for dual spec bulbs now...i know about the uvb light...did you know about the blue light ???..suppose to increase thc and can be left on 24/7...blue leds....
 
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