First CFL Grow Using 30 Watt CFLs

thanks mate, i plant my seeds direct instead of soaking them, now the ak47 cross uk cherry cheese was from a different source and i got 10 seeds totally free with no purchase and they covered the postage, now i had 8 males 2 females, with the bb#2 from herbies i think i have had 4 males in total, but i got 2 seeds left so ill plant these in a week or so and see what happens, i usually have high fem ratio but it seems bug bud#2 and ak cheese is more male dominant,

most of the regular seeds i get from herbies turn out fem, even autos have turned out fem so i been lucky really, i guess its just my turn to have some males in the seeds,

@WizHigh, yep i do worry, their is always the risk of them falling over, my last 2ltr dwc hempie reached 5ft in total but they usually max out at 3ft and give me around an oz in bud when ive finished, thats if i give them 1 week of veg, normally i go 12-12 from seed and get anything between 20g and an oz per plant, if the res is full then its bottom heavy and not likely to fall over, but if the res gets low then it would be very easy to knock it over or even the weight of the plant could tip it over, so im looking for something like the milk man uses to carry his bottles in, this would stop the risk and have me less to worry about, but so far ive not had any tip over.

with the seeds been secure i totally understand you would prefer to use a second address but most people dont, herbies is very discreet and not even the postman would know whats in the package, so herbies is very secure and would be a safe option, if it wasnt then these companies would not be in business,
 
Just curious you use the 2l to have more room? Cause I was thinking why not use 3l? But im pretty sure your thinking more room. Ive been reading you and Gigs convo's on breeding and also the test yall would like to run. That is some interesting shit to think about. I would like to read more of you guys ideas which ive been doing for the past 30 minutes. That would be some amazing stuff todo. To tell you the truth ive been taking notes from you guys and others so that i will apply them to my next major grow and to be able to keep up with you guys. The reason I say that is because to me its like having cyber partners since i dont tell anyone close to me what i do. So noone to actually share this stuff with. So Its like the "cyber buddy buddy grow" lol. Thats a good title for a journal:thumb:
 
3l is great if you can get them, 2l bottles are far more common tho.

im sure you could write a small book on the benefits/cons to 2l vs 3l but 2l bottles grow fine plants and use less medium, lol.

for any hydro/dwc style the size of the pot doesnt really matter any more because the roots have freedom to grow.

well except for my hydroganics where the roots have a bit more restriction because of all the gravel in the pot.

i highly reccomend a little gravel in 2l DWC grows too as it makes the pot far more stable when running low on liquid.
 
DP,
Not sure whats happening to my DWC seedlings. One never germed. Then the Northern lights was great for three days and has now thinned out in the middle and dying. I propped her up with more coir but to no avail. The White Widow is now doing the same. The coir is wet but not soaked. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the DWC set up. I think the seeds were real shit! Got them from a friend. I started to worry when after three days the seedling looked small compared to others. Now that said I am used to Auto's but I have never seen a regular seedling look that small. I'm gonna have to get more seeds!
 
spring2012 said:
DP,
Not sure whats happening to my DWC seedlings. One never germed. Then the Northern lights was great for three days and has now thinned out in the middle and dying. I propped her up with more coir but to no avail. The White Widow is now doing the same. The coir is wet but not soaked. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the DWC set up. I think the seeds were real shit! Got them from a friend. I started to worry when after three days the seedling looked small compared to others. Now that said I am used to Auto's but I have never seen a regular seedling look that small. I'm gonna have to get more seeds!
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wow sorry boss, maybe I dont understand but are you sprouting in the dwc?
 
fish cake said:
wow sorry boss, maybe I don't understand but are you sprouting in the dwc?
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yes. I germed them in water until they cracked ans showed a bit of tap root. I then went straight into the medium top to the DWC set up. The res is empty until root sign. The cooc coir was just there for a base. I have done this with 3 gallon pots but that was using FFOF. Big differences. Perhaps I should transplant instead.
 
I have never dabbled in hydro or dwc so I cant say either way but I think I would do a transplant if I were to try it.
but thats just me and no clue:/
 
i would use 3ltr bottles if i was going to give them a couple of weeks of veg, but as i go 12-12 from seed or give just 7 days under 24-0 then the 2ltrs are fine for me, the roots dont get cramped and its perfect for 12-12, but i would go bigger if i did a longer veg, but if i was going to do that then id do a big dwc bucket and grow like that.

@wiz, im the same as you, the only people that know i grow is the amazing people on here, i cant take risks by letting people who know me in person find out what i do, im glad you are getting some info from my journal, ive only been growing since march so im still pretty new to all this, im only playing around with autos because it will give me a sort of base for any future breeding i do, i have started with a low yielding auto and crossed this with big yielding regular plants, so ill be picking the best traits from the resulting seeds and crossing them back with each other, this will show me how breeding works and how to get the best from the results, plus picking low yielding autos will tell me how i have affected the results if i then start getting bigger yields.

with regular plants it would be harder to control the way it grows and starts to flower, but autos flower under any light schedule and they finish fast as well, so if i can change any part of this and increase yield, then i can take this over to regular plants and then ill make my own strain using the best genetics i can find of certain strains that i like and have a damn good smoke at the end of it all.

@spring, problem is with getting seeds of friends is that most will be no good, i got a load of seeds off a plant i crossed and out of 10 seeds only 3 grew, the others did nothing, i even planted the others as i have done this in the past and some grew, but i usually plant the seeds in soil but i wanted to see how viable the seeds where, so i used the paper towel method which i always used in the past so i know it was not something i did, it was just not a good batch of seeds, they was all dark in colour like purchased seeds but most did not germ.

as you know i grow my 2ltr dwc with soil as the base for the plant, so i start my seedlings in a little seedling tray, then once they have grown the 1st set of true leaves i then fill the top of the 2ltr hempie with about 3 inches of soil, say 2 to 3 inches of soil, i then pull back the soil so their is a hole in the soil about the same size as the seedling tray shape, so its 3 inches of soil but i dig down about an inch to inch and half and then place the seedling in that and water it, then 3 or 4 days later i see roots growing out the bottom and then fill the res.

but to me your problem sounds like the medium is to moist and is rotting the plant, this is the only thing that can cause thinning like that, so let it dry out and it should grow ok, the problem is the top part is small and it dont take much water to flood it, so just remember the top part the plant is grown in is very small, so a small amount of water would be all is needed, but you could have the opposite problem, its to hard to say as i have not used the medium your using, but if it was soil id say its over or under watering,

your medium is either holding to much water, or your watering to much due to it been such a small amount of growing medium, or id have to guess at it been under watered, this could be due to the medium your using drying out to quick because of the lights,

its hard for me to say for sure as i no nothing about any other medium other than soil and dwc with soil as the base

@GiGa, great idea with the gravel mate, would make it more stable. i wonder if its possible to have some sort of medium in the res, so you would still have the air stone at the bottom and then cover this with a medium and fill it with water. then the roots could grow through what ever medium was in the res and still get oxygen and nute rich water the same as a standard dwc, it might make the roots stronger as they got something to grow through,

reps for the gravel tip mate if it lets me
 
just found this bit of info, wonder if this is how i got them 2 seeds out of the unpolinated auto

It's also worthy to note that some plants, if left long enough in flower unpollenated, will "self-seed" as a way to ensure preservation of the species. You usually only get a small number of seeds, but since the pollen was produced by the mom (female), the seeds are basically clones of the mother in seed format, so they will be feminized, also.

its me again now, does the above comment sound like possible
 
thanks for the info, reps for that mate, i just wondered how these seeds got their, so if it is true and they do self pollinate then the seeds should only have the genes of its mother plant, so as the statement says it would be like a clone, plus mine was an auto, so fingers crossed its an auto, they start flowering around week 2 so i should no pretty soon if its an auto
 
DPP, Just Stopping By To Say Hello, So Hello My Good Friend, This Goes For GiG, UG, Miwa, FC, Spring and WizHigh As Well, So Hello All My Wonderful Friends!!! And Don, I Guarantee If I Got You Some Seeds, They Would Be Viable, And I Imagine, At Least 50% Female, I Usually End Up With With 10 Seeds, At Least 7 Females, If Not More, Every Time!!! I Was Told By An OLD, VERY EXPERIENCED GROWER, To Start My Seeds Under Fluorescents, Light That Are In Blue Spectrum Dominant, As It Helps The Plants Decide To Be Female, For Some Unknown, Back Woods Way, It Has ALWAYS Worked This Way For Me!!! So Try Starting Your Plants Under Blue Spectrum Fluoros(Regular Shop Lights), Work Just Fine, As Long As It Says It Is Not A Full Spectrum Fluoro!!!:high-five: You Also Can Keep These Fluoros As Close As An Inch From Your Plants Tops, As They Are A Cool Burning Light, As Long As It Does Not Get Above 80 Degrees Fahrenheit In Your Grow Room For The Starts.

Otherwise, If It Gets Above 80 Degrees, And Your Plants Soil Medium Is Dry, It Will Crisp Them Up, If Not Too Hot, Like 80-90, And They Are Not Forgotten About For Too Long, It Should Just Crisp The Leaf Edges. But Any Longer, Or Hotter, You Will Probably Need To Have To Start All Over!!! Also, We Always Start Our Seeds In Paper Towels Wet, Set Them On A Paper Plate, Drain Off The Excess Water, And Check Them Every Day In 24 Hour Increments, Unless It Is Warm Out, Then We Check Them About 2-3 Times A Day. I Never Re-Wet The Paper Towels Until They Are Almost Dry. Because Believe It Or Not, Just Like When They Are Planted As Plants Already, They Need To Go Through a Wet, Then Dry Period, So They Can Breathe!!!:) Even In Paper Towels!!! As Seeds, They Need The Same Treatment. And When I Plant My Seeds, I Use The Eraser End Of A #2 Pencil, And Create A Hole That Is Only As Deep As The End Of The Eraser End, From Eraser To The End Of The Metal That Helps Hold The Eraser On, No Deeper!!! And Then, Very Lightly, Cover The Seed Over. Never Pack Down The Earth On Top Of The Seeds, Leave It Loose And Easy For The Seedling To Push It's Way To The Top Of The Surface, And DO NOT OVER WATER, As This Causes More Failures Than Any Other 1 Thing I Can Think Of DPP!!!:hmmm:

And About Seeds You Get From Friends, Either The Seeds YOU Happened To Get, Were Already Predisposed To Being Male Anyways, So Do Not Be Afraid Of Bag Seed!!!:amen: Some Of The Best Plants I Have Ever Grown Were From Bag Seed!!! I Guarantee That If You Just Start Using Regular Old Shop Lights In The BLUE Spectrum, Your Number Of Females Will Increase Exponentially, Making You, Me, The Plants Much Happier!!!:clap: And Do NOT OVER WATER, Let The Seeds You Start, If You Use The Paper Towels, Let The Paper Towels Almost Get Dry, NOT GET DRY, But To The Point When You Touch The Towel, You Can Tell That It Needs Water ASAP!!! Then Get Them Wet Again, Drain Off The Excess Water, From Whatever You Have Them On(PAPER PLATE, REGULAR PLATE, COOKIE SHEET, ETC), And Leave Them Alone Except To Check Every 12-24 Hours You Check Them To See If They Need More Water!!!:thedoubletake: Continue This Till They Pop Open, Then Plant Like I Said, And Make Sure That When YOU Water, You Use A Gentle Flow, Or Mist Them Till The Soil Is Completely Inundated With Water. You Want To Use A Gentle Flow Or Misting Of Water, So The Seeds Do Not Get Jostled Around And Turned Up Side Down, Or Buried In Too Much Deeper, Or Worse, Cause The Soil They Are Covered With To Become To Compacted For The Seeds To Force Their Way To The Surface Through. Well Don, That Is My Advice, Take It Or Leave It, But It Has Always Worked For Me My Friend!!!:cheesygrinsmiley: I Hope All Is Well With You Don(AHEM), And Take Care, Write Soon!!! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.:thumb:
 
Great info James I was just reading up on this. Bluer lights will get a female plant and also shorter light periods as well as these few things.
• a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females.
• a higher potassium concentration will give more males.
• a higher humidity will give more females.
• a lower temperature will give more females.
• more blue light will give more females.
• Fewer hours of light will give more females.


Thanks for the reps James also. Returning the reps for giving this info on the lights. I my self veg with a T5 4bulb 4ft 6500k. I got 2 females and 1 male out of bag seeds I grew. Which brings me to my next question, can a male plant in the tent as a female induce the to turn female male? Or should I say encourage a female to turn male? Not by pollinating though.
 
DP killer work as always..curious what method are you using to make your hash? Myself i run bubble bags and fill half a 5gallon bucket of wet frozen trim, i usually get more then a 1/4. So my thoughts is you should have enough...
 
No Wiz, As Far As I Know, It Can Only Be Done Chemically, To Turn A Male Female. Although There Is A Lot Of Speculation That Before Plants Have Sexed, That If You Set A Male Amongst Them, It Will Make The Majority Of Other Plants Turn Female, Because They Sense the Presence Of A Male Amongst Them. This Is Not Scientific, But According To My, And Other Growers I Know Empirical Evidence, It DOES WORK!!! I Have Set A Male Amongst 20 Un-Sexed Plants Before, And Came Out Of It With 18 Females, Only Two Other Plants Went Male ATM. This Is The Same Story I Have Received from Other friends As Well.:high-five: So I Would Try That, If You Can Wiz!!! Take Care Wiz!!! SINCERELY, JAMESTHEGREEN.:thumb:PS, If You Want To Give Reputation Points, You Have To Highlight And Push The Star, I Think It Is A Star??? On The Bottom Left Side Of The Persons Post, Just Below The Avatar At The Bottom Left Side Of Your Post You Are On. I Used To Think That By Just Liking Something It Gave Reputation To That Person, Till I Was Advised By Someone That If You Really Wanted to Help Someone Out, You Give Reputation Points Out, Not Likes, Just Thought I Should Let You Know Is All!!!
 
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