EC, Run off, a little help?

Blimey sounds like a nasty nasty piece of work!
I think you are right with it being the tobacco virus. When I've been trying to read up about it, there doesn't seem to be a direct link on how it spreads. I have seen reports of plants growing next to one another and the virus did not spread on contact.

Have you any information on how it spreads to one another?
I have a mum that obviously has the virus that is next to another pheno that I very much love. Will that be OK?
 
So been doing a little thinking on the virus and how rare it is.
Is there anything else this might be? Turns out the mum and other cuttings from BFG (black forest gateau) aren't showing the same MTV symptoms however he did experience it briefly with another group of plants he has growing. Strange enough is that we have only seen this since using the Canna Pro Plus substrate?
He mentioned that he got it to stop his end with lowering the PH and giving a shot of nitrogen.... thoughts?

The other thing that is bugging me is that the symptoms that are being exhibited only came on in the stretch phase of growth, newer growth doesn't seem to have it and there was nothing during veg.....
 
Hey,I also have noticed this phenomenon in the past and like you it drove me crazy. I was thinking the same thing as you,how am I consistently getting my plants infected w what looks to be a fairly rare virus or viruses? Well the awnser for me was the genetics,I read that when growing seeds you are adding more DNA info than just the male or female,you are also adding all the different combinations of previous parents all the way back to a seemingly begining less start. So when you see a plant that has things like variegation,mottling or deformities that present like the viruses you mentioned,mosaic and tobacco virus. The hard part is differentiating the viruses from common genetic mutation. Every batch of seeds has imperfect,unbalanced and dysfunctional genetic crosses whose seeds cannot be distinguished from another. These imperfect genetic combinations can appear like many other issues they can be cloned and perpetuated and they can also wait to show mutation until later in life of stressed. I'm not saying that it's not a virus. I'm just saying I had a similiar adventure and I learned this very valuable info. I thought I was giving my plants all types of shizz but this really helped me out. The form of transmission for these viruses has always been very shifty and uncertain. anyways.
 
4our8ighty0 said:
Hey,I also have noticed this phenomenon in the past and like you it drove me crazy. I was thinking the same thing as you,how am I consistently getting my plants infected w what looks to be a fairly rare virus or viruses? Well the awnser for me was the genetics,I read that when growing seeds you are adding more DNA info than just the male or female,you are also adding all the different combinations of previous parents all the way back to a seemingly begining less start. So when you see a plant that has things like variegation,mottling or deformities that present like the viruses you mentioned,mosaic and tobacco virus. The hard part is differentiating the viruses from common genetic mutation. Every batch of seeds has imperfect,unbalanced and dysfunctional genetic crosses whose seeds cannot be distinguished from another. These imperfect genetic combinations can appear like many other issues they can be cloned and perpetuated and they can also wait to show mutation until later in life of stressed. I'm not saying that it's not a virus. I'm just saying I had a similiar adventure and I learned this very valuable info. I thought I was giving my plants all types of shizz but this really helped me out. The form of transmission for these viruses has always been very shifty and uncertain. anyways.
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I hear ya. It's a bit like humans in a way. Two parents with brown eyes brown hair have a baby blonde with blue eyes and attributes the family hasn't seen for generations.

This grow is from clones so I would like to have seen the same issue with the mum and or other cuttings that went out as this seems to be the way the virus travels the most.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the stress bringing out some sort of trait or deformity as it only triggered during the flower cycle when the most amount of stress comes in on the plants.

I would love to know what it is but I think only time will tell. The problem hasn't worsened or continued so for now looks to be alright.
 
Recessive genetic traits may not present until enough time has past. Is this only showing up on older plants, mothers and clones? Similar to humans it is not unusual for recessive things like hair color to change as we age. Wife was born with dark red hair, platinum blond from teen to 30s, now she is strawberry blond. Generations of clones could give the plant time to present recessive traits in theory.

All you can do is eliminate pests, physical damage, PH and nutrient issues. Foliar or media feed any deficiency. Correct PH. Spray with oils soap alcohol mix for pests, fungus and viruses. If it is genetic there is nothing you can or need to do.
 
No it's only showing up on mine. The mum is clear and also other clones. It could be just mine that have some how caught the virus. I have seedlings and another mum in the same area so will not take on anymore plants or genetics until I have ran the seedlings and the other mum again to double check.
Hopefully they are all clear and if they are, It would defo suggest it's genetic and not the virus.
Plants are going great guns though and showing no slowing.
 
if genetic it would show up consistently throughout the effected plant and would be isolated to one plant or one strain. if it is viral it will spread between plants and strains.

the most encouraging thing about this is it doesn't appear to be spreading.
 
Yes I also discovered that at early life some plants just take a bit to sort these things out, it's almost like they just mess up sometimes.I have had many a clone throw a variegated leaf,or symmetrically deformed leaf but if I culled or ignored that leaf the plant would eventually never make another variegated or deformed leaf. Except when I clone them. So to me this shows that not all genetics are perfect and even the rare perfect genetics can throw,variegation,deformity and issue temporarily,but doesn't mean it will continue ? Idk if I'm using the right words to say meaning lol am I making sense rn🤣
 
4our8ighty0 said:
Yes I also discovered that at early life some plants just take a bit to sort these things out, it's almost like they just mess up sometimes.I have had many a clone throw a variegated leaf,or symmetrically deformed leaf but if I culled or ignored that leaf the plant would eventually never make another variegated or deformed leaf. Except when I clone them. So to me this shows that not all genetics are perfect and even the rare perfect genetics can throw,variegation,deformity and issue temporarily,but doesn't mean it will continue ? Idk if I'm using the right words to say meaning lol am I making sense rn🤣
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I'm on the right page with you dude. Got what your meaning. It's almost like a training process similar to breeding where your steering a certain trait that you want to keep or get rid of.

I'm going to keep it in the bag see how it all turns out. As much as issues like this are not what you want to see, it's not causing massive problems with the current grow and it opens to a brilliant conversation around the virus that I had never heard of before. Thanks everyone for your input I have learnt something new 😀.
 
I was lurking and saw your post about how you don't understand how you keep getting what looks like a virus and boom,I had a flashback to my early grow years losing my mind because my ladies were not absolutely perfect lolol like I said idk if what I say is the case but now you have some info and actions to help you narrow it down. I would pull the affected leaves and watch how it returns( if it returns ) this is what really will differentiate and tell you what's going on. The symptoms themselves are not as important as how the symptoms show up on the plant that will reveal the secrets. You gonna be fine tho,you on your way bro👌😎👍
 
Yh dude the exact plan! I don't like touching plants at all once I've flipped them until wk4/5 just because I'm an animal and can my plants have a habbit to hermie if I fart in the wrong direction haha.
This week I'm gunna do a strip down and see what happens and see if it returns.
They are looking great and being my first time using Salts I'm loving it so far!
 
TechnicalTerps said:
Anyways the guy who has been growing this for years and has just started to see the same issue in his garden as well. 2 completely different areas and in no way connected apart from the genetics
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I was thinking this was where you got the genetics from. Now I see you were saying it is just the same strain, not a direct genetic lineage. But it may be a family trait but they are more like distant cousins.
 
Sativa1970 said:
I was thinking this was where you got the genetics from. Now I see you were saying it is just the same strain, not a direct genetic lineage. But it may be a family trait but they are more like distant cousins.
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he's running the guys clones. anything his supplier has he inherited.
 
Sativa1970 said:
I was thinking this was where you got the genetics from. Now I see you were saying it is just the same strain, not a direct genetic lineage. But it may be a family trait but they are more like distant cousins.
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No sorry I made this a little confusing so apologies! So these are direct cuttings from a mum plant that has been run for years. He has a flower tent full of them as well that I thought were showing the same signs. Turns out that his BFG is fine I.e. all my cuttings brother and sisters.
However he did see the similar sign show up on another strain that he has but only since trying a new medium, which happens to be the same as I'm in. A drop in PH and a shot of nitrogen fixed his problem.
In all honesty I think what he had was something different all together and it's only on the cuts that I have.
Will see soon what happens tonight is strip time so will see if it returns!
 
bluter said:
he's running the guys clones. anything his supplier has he inherited.
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That's what I originally thought he was saying, but now I am not sure.

TechnicalTerps said:
No it's only showing up on mine. The mum is clear and also other clones. It could be just mine that have some how caught the virus.
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TechnicalTerps said:
No sorry I made this a little confusing so apologies! So these are direct cuttings from a mum plant that has been run for years. He has a flower tent full of them as well that I thought were showing the same signs. Turns out that his BFG is fine I.e. all my cuttings brother and sisters.
However he did see the similar sign show up on another strain that he has but only since trying a new medium, which happens to be the same as I'm in. A drop in PH and a shot of nitrogen fixed his problem.
In all honesty I think what he had was something different all together and it's only on the cuts that I have.
Will see soon what happens tonight is strip time so will see if it returns!
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Posted at the same time. Thanks for clarifying.
 
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