Dutchman's Auto Quads Vs LST With A Critical+2.0 Twist!

Everything is looking great and the picture tutorials are A+.

I have tried not cutting off the bottom nodes and it just was too much work. Originally when I came up with quadlining I preached to bend and twist to get both nodes exposed to light. By doing that it makes the next node uneven and you just are constantly twisting and bending. A really high rate of breakage can happen as plants aren't made to really be twisted like that all the time. However, I have done it a few times before and it worked out. It just was a lot more work. Also the spacing in the middle of the plant when you are quadlining can get a little tight so one less node in there allows for some better airflow. You may find it works out for you great, and I hope it does, but I've found it to just be a little more trouble than it was worth. The first time I just cut it off instead the plant responded well and I never went back to the twisting method.

Truth be told I probably only spend twice a week in my grow area actually doing things. Most of the time I go there and feed the plants and take off. My first couple years of growing I was down there everyday checking on things and playing with the plants but as life has gotten busier for me, I just don't have the free time to be doing things on the daily. I feel like the twisting and bending method (without cutting off the node) just requires daily work to adjust the branches whereas if you just cut it off the plant structure doesn't change at all. Some people will highly disagree with this but I am a believer that the plant will re-direct the energy that would have gone to that node that was cutoff and it will make other nodes a little better. Ergo there really shouldn't be much of a difference in yield in the end. Obviously if you take this to an extreme and cut off a ton of nodes and just leave a few then you won't get the same yield result in the end as you have really damaged the plant, but I do think just taking one here and there is no big deal and typically I only remove those first 4 on the underside. I think that if I was doing Quadlined Autos I wouldn't take this bottom node so the plant doesn't incur any additional stress after topping as Autos can be really finicky.

Excellent details Ase! I really appreciate the info from the Sensei!

I was hoping to hear that you had done it before and what you say makes complete sense! Since both of the critical girls are different I think they will be a good comparison for me to see the difference.
#2 has the nodes removed
#1 has the twisted branches.

So I’ll continue my easy stem manipulation daily and see how it pans out! I wasn’t planning on removing any more nodes on the autos from here on out just tying and tucking. I already felt I left them a bit late to start the qaudline but they are looking good so far and it will be interesting to see how they are tomorrow.
 
HIya Dutch! Happy new year man, wow you’re really starting it off in style :D
Man that sounds so perfect - our summer has been pretty wet so far - and cold overnight early on too (I had to bring seedlings inside overnight a few times :eek:. I hope it sorts itself out for the rest of the season! Hope you’re enjoying all those beautiful bus Luiz!

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Ooh, I see you've started a new journal! I think I'll drop in for a visit.:)
 
... with this girl I wanted to try something different and save both growth tips. So over the past few days I have been massaging and manipulating that branch to bend and twist allowing both growth tips to start moving up. @Asesino85 i was wondering if you have ever tried this? I am doing it on both of the top branches to see how they do. Unlike with #2 where they have been removed entirely.


Maybe it wont work but from the looks of the training and manipulation so far they both seem to be growing upward giving me that extra growth tip. If it continues this way maybe this will be an addition to the overall structure of the quadline moving forward.

Phewf ! That was a lot to get through and I appreciate you all for listening. With the start of the Auto Quads im pretty excited. I hope they dont get slowed down but we will see!

Best wishes to you all and stay medicated my friends !
Very creative idea - I hope it works! I think it will work, although as Ase pointed out, it could be a lot of work. :popcorn:
 
- Update Day -

Crystal Candy Autos #1 and #2
Day - 24


Pineapple Express Autos #1 and #2
Day - 24 PEa1 / Day - 23 PEa2


Critical+2.0
Day - 45


Jan.4
Hello everyone and happy Friday! Woohoo!

This will be a quick update today since there isn’t much to go over and there was no watering or feeding. The critical girls will be needing watering/feed tomorrow though as well as some tucking and further tying down. All of the autos will need a watering/feed tomorrow or Sunday.

So with the quadline starting up yesterday both CCa1 and PEa1 both look great today! No signs of any problems just some new growth and looking great. On CCa1 I had to pin her fan leaves out slightly to open her up. PEa1 is pushing out some healthy new growth and didn’t slow down at all. Still no signs of pistils on either PE but I’m ok with that! The longer they Veg the better.

Here’s a few more pictures to finish this update off for today! Stay Medicated friends!



 
Looking good Dutch!
Thanks magoo! They are going strong now! Hope I can get another week out of PE before they start to show preflowers.

Let the quadline begin! Lol
Let it begin indeed! I’m glad neither of the girls got upset from the topping and node removal! Now it’s just easy tying and tucking! Let the fun start!
 
- Update Day -

Crystal Candy Autos #1 and #2

Day - 25




Pineapple Express Autos #1 and #2
Day - 25 PEa1 / Day - 24 PEa2





Critical+2.0
Day - 46




Jan.5

Hello Hello! What’s up everyone!


Well all the Autoflowers are doing great! The new growth is nice and green and they are all starting to get bigger quicker now! Both CCa girls are doing great. PEa1s new growth are getting bigger and the second node is starting to come through on the main sections. Exciting to see them getting bigger!

The critical girls got spread out and tied down further today. On #2 her central 4 branches were getting tall so I gave them a slight bend and tied them down. #1 doesn’t have as long if branches yet so I just put the “c” clamps on them for the next few days to spread them out.


I will be letting the critical girls go out a little bit further and them give them the rest of time doing vertical until flip!


I would like to possibly pull a clone or 2 from one of them Before going into flower but we will see how they look and if it pans out!

Hope your all well and enjoying the weekend!
 
- Update Day -

Crystal Candy Autos #1 and #2

Day - 26




Pineapple Express Autos #1 and #2
Day - 26 PEa1 / Day - 25 PEa2




Critical+2.0
Day - 47


Jan.6

Hello everyone! It’s been a nice relaxing weekend. I’ve enjoyed some downtime with the fiancé and some excellent edibles.


I have been training the girls daily getting nice and personal with them and really learning the tricks to training! The Autoflowers are doing great growing quicker now. Neither of the Pineapple Express have shown pistils yet. CCa1 is growing quicker and CCa2 is starting to gain some height. PEa2 is getting bigger and tomorrow I will begin tying her down. I have been bending the main stem daily to strengthen and help build her main stalk. PEa1 is doing great. She is starting to grow quicker and is going to need some attention in the next few days to start tying her top branches down. I have seen visible growth on her today so it’s going to be a fun few weeks ahead with training! I hope CCa1 kicks it up a notch in the next few days to so I can begin tying her down since she’s already showed pistils and I want to get her formation setup and leave her be!

As for the critical+2.0 girls I started to train the middle branches and tying them down.


I really want these lower growth tips to catch up and fill the middle out so when I flip I’ll have a nice thick flat canopy. I’ve circled the 4 branches I want to try and grow over the next 12days and hopefully reach the top of the plants canopy along with all my other tops.

They are pretty small right now but I have opened her up and exposed them to the light and hopefully with the time they have before flip they will catch up!

Critical+2.0#1 was going to be tied down and spread out but I ran out of my soft wire ties so tomorrow I’ll pick some up at the garden centre and then do the same to her. @Mr. Magoo ive been looking at your garden stakes for a while so I think I’m going to pick some of them up as well! They look like they make training easier so I’m up to trying them out!

But that’s about it for today. I hope you have all enjoyed your weekend and I appreciate you all for tagging along with me here.

Have a safe and happy week to come!
 
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