Droughting and its medicinal effects in cannabis

Moony said:
But in that same class was 29 other students and a teacher who would all say drought always negatively effects a plant. Makes them weaker and more susceptible to pests and disease. I see the study above. But I counter that study with literally thousands of years of studies all showing hugely negatively effected plants and trees from drought. You can even see a drought year on tree rings because the tree grows less. It doesn't suddenly get stronger because of the drought.
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Moony you don't drought the entire time. It is a completely controlled drought for 11 days at week 7 of flower. Your plant has already made it, she is good to go
 
Krissi1982 said:
Oh this is not true. The plant does not eat itself during a drought. Our genetic composition is nothing of that of a plant, especially of the cannabis variety. Our bodily responses to stressors are not received in the same way as stressors are to plants.

In fact, the cannabis plant is able to morph its genetic code in something called phenotypic plasticity. In times of stress, genes and proteins are triggered which allow the plant to develop and grow differently in order to preserve itself. While doing this, certain enzymes are exasperated by the process allowing for the increase in all of the noteworthy items listed above.

A cannabis plant does not starve itself during a drought, it does not eat away at what it has left. It synthesizes and it goes through a morphology. I believe that is the common misconception with droughting in the masses, Moon.

You can't compare us to a plant...apples and oranges. I too was an athlete but our cannabis is more of the XMen variety than human as far as their ability to use their GNR system and adapt to stressors
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Again I must disagree. Because a plant is changing to survive doesn't mean it's better. In the same way your body shuts down organs 1 by 1 in an attempt to survive.

Ask any fruit grower if they starve their plant. It just isn't done.

I will repeat myself. This is one study showing the results of droughting. There have been thousands showing that good feeding and looking after you're plants gives better results.

Your argument about doing this having already showed you results just isn't right. As everyone here who has grown from seed knows. Your plants aren't the same. Even from a cutting the plants very rarely end up semetrical.

I'm sorry but you will not convince me that destroying the root zone and Destroying the plants structure internal and out will ever be a good thing.

Your roots will never recover from the irreparable damage. The plant may seem to give more but not more than if you had given the plant what it needs.

If you want to stress your plant use training and increase light. This will increase yield.

The drought method seems at best word of mouth. The study was done on 2 plants. Without control. It's flawed.

If you want me to site multiple and I mean hundreds of studies showing the positives of providing everything the plant needs exactly I can. At the end of it you will still have a single study to support your claims.
 
Krissi1982 said:
Moony you don't drought the entire time. It is a completely controlled drought for 11 days at week 7 of flower. Your plant has already made it, she is good to go
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At week 7 I will have another 3 weeks left. That's a 3rd of my flower wasted. And possibly losing the last week. If your plants have "made it" at week 7 why do we crop when the trichomes tell us. Even on so called 9 week crops I've had to wait 11 weeks. I'm sorry krissi we can't/won't ever agree on this one.
 
Moony said:
At week 7 I will have another 3 weeks left. That's a 3rd of my flower wasted. And possibly losing the last week. If your plants have "made it" at week 7 why do we crop when the trichomes tell us. Even on so called 9 week crops I've had to wait 11 weeks. I'm sorry krissi we can't/won't ever agree on this one.
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That's OK but why does the flower yield increase and why is your smoke better and why do the numbers increase and why do you literally see more trichomes? You don't know cause you never tried, I didn't know until I tried. I didn't believe it. I believe it now. Can't fake results my friend
 
And this has nothing to do with trichome color, this is leading up to it, giving you more of those trichomes to check.
Moony said:
Again I must disagree. Because a plant is changing to survive doesn't mean it's better. In the same way your body shuts down organs 1 by 1 in an attempt to survive.

Ask any fruit grower if they starve their plant. It just isn't done.

I will repeat myself. This is one study showing the results of droughting. There have been thousands showing that good feeding and looking after you're plants gives better results.

Your argument about doing this having already showed you results just isn't right. As everyone here who has grown from seed knows. Your plants aren't the same. Even from a cutting the plants very rarely end up semetrical.

I'm sorry but you will not convince me that destroying the root zone and Destroying the plants structure internal and out will ever be a good thing.

Your roots will never recover from the irreparable damage. The plant may seem to give more but not more than if you had given the plant what it needs.

If you want to stress your plant use training and increase light. This will increase yield.

The drought method seems at best word of mouth. The study was done on 2 plants. Without control. It's flawed.

If you want me to site multiple and I mean hundreds of studies showing the positives of providing everything the plant needs exactly I can. At the end of it you will still have a single study to support your claims.
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I'm confused where the plant is being destroyed in your opinion?
 
Krissi1982 said:
That's OK but why does the flower yield increase and why is your smoke better and why do the numbers increase and why do you literally see more trichomes? You don't know cause you never tried, I didn't know until I tried. I didn't believe it. I believe it now. Can't fake results my friend
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To each their own Krissi. I personally will be fulfilling my plants needs fully as I have done since I planted the seeds.
 
Krissi1982 said:
And this has nothing to do with trichome color, this is leading up to it, giving you more of those trichomes to check.

I'm confused where the plant is being destroyed in your opinion?
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The leaves? Literally the plants photosynthesis is effected. How can you run a 11 week crop if at week 7 you remove most of the plants ability to create energy. Yellowed leaves don't photosynthesis.
 
Moony said:
But I counter that study with literally thousands of years of studies all showing hugely negatively effected plants and trees from drought. You can even see a drought year on tree rings because the tree grows less. It doesn't suddenly get stronger because of the drought.
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Moony said:
Ask any fruit grower if they starve their plant. It just isn't done.
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I don't think this is comparing like for like. This is not comparing the long term effects of drought on some region on earth over thousands of years, or comparing fruit trees that you want to grow and bear fruit for successive years. This is just discretely applying drought conditions at some of the flowering stage of a plant like cannabis that you want to encourage to produce more oil/resin, that you will then go on to harvest/kill.
 
Moony said:
To each their own Krissi. I personally will be fulfilling my plants needs fully as I have done since I planted the seeds.
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I'm glad we are the kinds of friends that can agree to disagree. You've seen my plants Moon. You've seen my harvests. You just haven't smoked my smoke. Really wish you could
 
Moony said:
The leaves? Literally the plants photosynthesis is effected. How can you run a 11 week crop if at week 7 you remove most of the plants ability to create energy. Yellowed leaves don't photosynthesis.
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The leaves bounce back 100% I promise you
 
Stunger said:
I don't think this is comparing like for like. This is not comparing the long term effects of drought on some region on earth over thousands of years, or comparing fruit trees that you want to grow and bear fruit for successive years. This is just discretely applying drought conditions at some of the flowering stage of a plant like cannabis that you want to encourage to produce more oil/resin, that you will then go on to harvest/kill.
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Tomatoes don't get more tomato-ey if they are droughted. Strawberries don't get more strawberry. You know what happens? You get smaller fruits and less yield.
 
Stunger said:
I don't think this is comparing like for like. This is not comparing the long term effects of drought on some region on earth over thousands of years, or comparing fruit trees that you want to grow and bear fruit for successive years. This is just discretely applying drought conditions at some of the flowering stage of a plant like cannabis that you want to encourage to produce more oil/resin, that you will then go on to harvest/kill.
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I understand your trepidations. When you understand phenotypic plasticity more and the use of ABA and other proteins in this process, it will make more sense to you. Looking at it from the perspectives you and I both had, without knowing the information, would make anyone not believe it is beneficial
 
Krissi1982 said:
The leaves bounce back 100% I promise you
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Krissi I seen sheds run on this. His plant was a mess. I'm sorry the possible negatives far outweighs the positives. We must agree to disagree on this one.
 
Moony said:
Tomatoes don't get more tomato-ey if they are droughted. Strawberries don't get more strawberry. You know what happens? You get smaller fruits and less yield.
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They actually do. I'll present 2 studies in here, one on mangos and one on tomatoes given a controlled drought environment.

I've done my research and my notes. I'm ready and knew to be prepared for these talks. @Maritimer told me this would happen so here I am. Willing to take the shots to get the word out
 
Moony said:
Krissi I seen sheds run on this. His plant was a mess. I'm sorry the possible negatives far outweighs the positives. We must agree to disagree on this one.
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I've done this to 5 plants now...none were a mess....all have fantastic medicinal smoke far exceeding any crop prior...just saying...something to note my friend.
 
Moony said:
Tomatoes don't get more tomato-ey if they are droughted. Strawberries don't get more strawberry. You know what happens? You get smaller fruits and less yield.
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I wouldn't use tomatoes and strawberries as examples that relate to encouraging greater oil/resin production. It is the oil/resin content I most seek in my buds.
 
Stunger said:
I wouldn't use tomatoes and strawberries as examples that relate to encouraging greater oil/resin production. It is the oil/resin content I most seek in my buds.
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Personally I go for yield and resin. I wouldn't sacrifice one for the other.
 
Moony- mine was trichome coated as well after the drought.
Your also looking at it somewhat wrong. Yes, feeding it perfectly is part of what the plant wants. It ultimately wants to reproduce via pollination, so already we're denying the plant what it wants, to get what we want. Droughting is another denial (temporarily) towards our goal of higher potency, which we want.
 
Thanks for doing this @Krissi1982 I am very interested to see what you have learned. I would love to experiment with this in a future grow.
Happy Growing.
 
Let's get rid of the argument weather droughting works or not for a second.

I don't think it's outlandish to say that this method is risky?

If you drought too long its obviously irreparable and not enough and it's a waste of time which will affect growth.

However. Fulfilled plants grow and produce resin. They always have and always will.

Would you risk everything for a potential improvement. Or use the zero risk option which will definitely give good results.

This will be the last thing I say on the subject. I won't argue the science etc. I'll just say that I personally consider this too much of a risk and will not be doing it.

I wish everyone well and hope your results are good.
 
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